MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

MW
Anderson
Hendo
Marquart
Maia
Mousasi
Vitor
Sonnen
Wanderlei
Bisping
Okami

Just curious to some of your thought process.

Cain & Carwin above Lesnar?

Mousasi not in the top 10?

Nate 4 places above Sonnen after Sonnen just dominated him for 3 rounds?

Bisping ranked after losing 2/3? His biggest win is Chris Leben.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Just curious to some of your thought process.

Cain & Carwin above Lesnar?

Mousasi not in the top 10?

Nate 4 places above Sonnen after Sonnen just dominated him for 3 rounds?

Bisping ranked after losing 2/3? His biggest win is Chris Leben.

yeah that guy is crazy.

Sorry if I was never a Lesnar guy, I penalized him for being inactive and I don't think he is as skilled as Cain and Carwin. Both have more wins overall and both have more wins in the UFC. Not apologizing for not thinking Lesnar is as good as most.

I think Nate is better then Sonnen still today. Sonnen beat Nate, Maia beat Sonnen, and Nate beat Maia. I rank them how I think they matchup in the divison not just against eachother.

I have Bisping as the #10 MW, how is that a problem? He lost to Hendo and Wandy, not exactly scrubs. MW divison is still fairly weak IMO.

Mousasi isn't a top 10 LHW IMO, so sue me if I want to wait and see. He is in my top 10 MW.

I had to give a point to Sooner. He had fairly valid arguments, though you will note he did not mention Fedor's inactivity but I have gotten used to that from most people.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I had to give a point to Sooner. He had fairly valid arguments, though you will note he did not mention Fedor's inactivity but I have gotten used to that from most people.

when you have 30 fights, you have been Champion for years and years and years, you have never had a legit loss....you get a little more wiggle room then a guy with 5 career fights and is still new to the game, I don't think it is really fair to compare the two. Fedor earned his wiggle room, Brock is still proving himself.

Not sure I agree with the Lesnar assessment, but I definitely agree with the Mousasi one. He hasn't beaten anyone of note at Light Heavyweight yet. Babalu was always overrated even when he was ranked. Sokodjou wasn't even top 15 when Mousasi beat him in November. I don't agree that the Middleweight division is a weak one though. maybe after the top 6 or 7 there is a drop off in talent, sure, but weak? Not so much. I actually had trouble deciding who to put in the last few spots because there were about 5 or 6 guys I was considering for spots 8-10.

LudoCain wrote:

Not sure I agree with the Lesnar assessment, but I definitely agree with the Mousasi one. He hasn't beaten anyone of note at Light Heavyweight yet. Babalu was always overrated even when he was ranked. Sokodjou wasn't even top 15 when Mousasi beat him in November. I don't agree that the Middleweight division is a weak one though. maybe after the top 6 or 7 there is a drop off in talent, sure, but weak? Not so much. I actually had trouble deciding who to put in the last few spots because there were about 5 or 6 guys I was considering for spots 8-10.

You may not agree, but to you object to me having that opinion? Farmer doesn't think I am allowed to have this opinion. I guess it somehow offends him.

I didn't say I objected, just that I didn't agree with it is all.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LudoCain wrote:

Not sure I agree with the Lesnar assessment, but I definitely agree with the Mousasi one. He hasn't beaten anyone of note at Light Heavyweight yet. Babalu was always overrated even when he was ranked. Sokodjou wasn't even top 15 when Mousasi beat him in November. I don't agree that the Middleweight division is a weak one though. maybe after the top 6 or 7 there is a drop off in talent, sure, but weak? Not so much. I actually had trouble deciding who to put in the last few spots because there were about 5 or 6 guys I was considering for spots 8-10.

You may not agree, but to you object to me having that opinion? Farmer doesn't think I am allowed to have this opinion. I guess it somehow offends him.

What makes you think I think you're not allowed to have an opinion. I thought were rankings were "not good" and just wondered how to came to your conclusions. I have zero problems backing mine up so why would anyone else?

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LudoCain wrote:

Not sure I agree with the Lesnar assessment, but I definitely agree with the Mousasi one. He hasn't beaten anyone of note at Light Heavyweight yet. Babalu was always overrated even when he was ranked. Sokodjou wasn't even top 15 when Mousasi beat him in November. I don't agree that the Middleweight division is a weak one though. maybe after the top 6 or 7 there is a drop off in talent, sure, but weak? Not so much. I actually had trouble deciding who to put in the last few spots because there were about 5 or 6 guys I was considering for spots 8-10.

You may not agree, but to you object to me having that opinion? Farmer doesn't think I am allowed to have this opinion. I guess it somehow offends him.

What makes you think I think you're not allowed to have an opinion. I thought were rankings were "not good" and just wondered how to came to your conclusions. I have zero problems backing mine up so why would anyone else?

I gave you my reason, like them or not, agree with them or not, doesn't matter. I gave my 2 cents and then I told you why. Any other issues Farmer?

gotta disagree with the Fighter A beat fighter B, and B beat C and C beat A
so somehow Marquardt is better than Soennen when we just saw Soennen dominate Marquardt

Brock under Velazquez and Carwin I can kind of understand even though I think Brock has fought higher competition in 4 fights than the 2 have in all their fights combined

I got Mousasi in top 10 LHW but understand why some people arent buying the hype

I thought about what both of you said and you are both right. It does show up with almost as much difficulty as the HW division for ranking, particularly on the end. Plus I do my best to avoid guys who wouldn't be ranked if it wasn't for Roids or HGH. There are rumors about Lesnar, but I saw pics of that SOB in high school and he doesn't look much different. But Barnett, Ovreem and such I just try to avoid them. Therefore it makes decision making difficult, but I have that with the MWs and there are no rumors about those guys to my knowledge.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LudoCain wrote:

Not sure I agree with the Lesnar assessment, but I definitely agree with the Mousasi one. He hasn't beaten anyone of note at Light Heavyweight yet. Babalu was always overrated even when he was ranked. Sokodjou wasn't even top 15 when Mousasi beat him in November. I don't agree that the Middleweight division is a weak one though. maybe after the top 6 or 7 there is a drop off in talent, sure, but weak? Not so much. I actually had trouble deciding who to put in the last few spots because there were about 5 or 6 guys I was considering for spots 8-10.

You may not agree, but to you object to me having that opinion? Farmer doesn't think I am allowed to have this opinion. I guess it somehow offends him.

What makes you think I think you're not allowed to have an opinion. I thought were rankings were "not good" and just wondered how to came to your conclusions. I have zero problems backing mine up so why would anyone else?

I gave you my reason, like them or not, agree with them or not, doesn't matter. I gave my 2 cents and then I told you why. Any other issues Farmer?

No I was just letting you know I don't object to you having an opinion.

Birdofthad wrote:

gotta disagree with the Fighter A beat fighter B, and B beat C and C beat A
so somehow Marquardt is better than Soennen when we just saw Soennen dominate Marquardt

Brock under Velazquez and Carwin I can kind of understand even though I think Brock has fought higher competition in 4 fights than the 2 have in all their fights combined

I got Mousasi in top 10 LHW but understand why some people arent buying the hype

Read what I said again. All I said was I think Marquart is a better MW then Sonnen even though he lost. It was a bad matchup for Nate but IMO Nate would do better against the top MW then Sonnen(said Maia by mistake). I used Maia,Sonnen and Nate as an example because they all beat eachother. I'm not ranking Maia over Sonnen just because of that win, I'm not ranking Sonnen over Marquart just because of that win, I'm not ranking Marquart over Maia just because of that win.

HW

1. Fedor
2. Brock
3. Carwin
4. Velazques
5. JDS
6. Frank Mir
7. Noguiera
8. Rogers
9. Werdum
10. Overeem/ Barnett

LHW

1. Anderson Silva
2. Rua
3. Machida
4. Henderson
5. Lil Nog
6. Mousasi
7. Rampage
8. Rashad
9. Jon Jones
10. Thiago Silva / Forrest Griffin

MW

1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Chael Soennen
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Maia
6. Vitor Belfort
7. Jake Shields
8. Alan Belcher
9. Sexyama
10. Wandy

WW

1. GSP
2. BJ Penn
3. Fitch
4. Koscheck
5. Thiago Alves
6. Paulo Thiago
7. Dan Hardy
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Paul Daley
10. Hughes/Serra/ Swick

LW

1. BJ Penn
2. Frank Edgar
3. Kenny Florian
4. Gray Maynard
5. Shinya Aoki
6. Gilbert Melendez
7. Eddie Alvarez
8. Sean Sherk
9. Tyson Griffin
10. Gomi ??? I dont know who the fuck to put here

FW

1. Jose Aldo
2. Mike Brown
3. Urijah Faber
4. Bibiano Fernandes
5. Assuncao - was my number 2 till Faber beat down.
6. Hatsu Hioki
7. Taurevicious
8. Josh Grispi
9. Kanehara
10. Mackens Sermeizer

BW

1. Dominick Cruz
2. Joseph Benavidez
3. Brian Bowles
4. Bibiano Fernandez
5. Scott Jorgensen
6. Miguel Torres
7. Mizugaki
8. Demacio Page
9. Yahya
10. Wagnney Fabiano

ok got ya, still disagree, but get what you are saying about doing better verse the man in the division which is undoubtably Anderson

HW:
1. Fedor
2. Lesnar
3. Carwin
4. Cain
5. Santos
6. Mir
7. Nog
8. Rogers
9. Werdum
10. Barnett

LHW:
1. Machida
2. Shogun
3. Rampage
4. Rashad
5. Gegard
6. Thiago
7. Forrest
8. Lil Nog
9. Cane
10. Bader

MW:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Sonnen
3. Hendo
4. Marquardt
5. Demain Maia
6. Vitor Belfort
7. Jake Shields
8. Okami
9. Santiago
10. Khalidov

WW:
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Paulo Thiago
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Hardy
7. Daley
8. Diaz
9. Hornbuckle
10. Herion

LW:
1. Penn
2. Aoki
3. Alvarez
4. Florian
5. Kawajiri
6. Maynard
7. Edgar
8. Gilbert
9. Sherk
10. Tyson

FW:
1. Jose Aldo
2. Mike Brown
3. Urijah Faber
4. Bibiano Fernandes
5. Raphael Assuncao
6. Michihiro Omigawa
7. Hatsu Hioki
8. Masanori Kanehara
9. Manny Gamburyan
10. Marlon Sandro

BW:
1. Dominick Cruz
2. Bowles
3. Joseph Benavidez
4. Scott Jorgenson
5. Miguel Torres
6. Mizugaki
7. Demacio Page
8. Shuichiro Katsumura
9. Yahya
10. Antonio Banuelos

Rankings are subjective... The more input we get from members the better they look. If mine were the only ones being shown, someone might bat an eye and have a question or two. If Sooner's were the only ones being shown, the masses might ask that the site be shut down due to the rankings being incredulous and erroneous. But we add them all together along with everyone else, and we have a pretty good looking sheet.

Sonnen above Hendo Ninja ?

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Rankings are subjective... The more input we get from members the better they look. If mine were the only ones being shown, someone might bat an eye and have a question or two. If Sooner's were the only ones being shown, the masses might ask that the site be shut down due to the rankings being incredulous and erroneous. But we add them all together along with everyone else, and we have a pretty good looking sheet.

You lil angel! I award you the Ninja's Place Peace Award of the week.

damn Ninja our rankings look alot alike, tip of the hat too you good sir

Ali_1748 wrote:

Sonnen above Hendo Ninja ?

Yes sir. Sonnen has beaten better 185lbs than Henderson has.

Okami, Nate, and Filho were all in the top 5 when Sonnen beat them.

The only top 10 MWs Hendo beat were Bisping and Misaki.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Sonnen above Hendo Ninja ?

Yes sir. Sonnen has beaten better 185lbs than Henderson has.

Okami, Nate, and Filho were all in the top 5 when Sonnen beat them.

The only top 10 MWs Hendo beat were Bisping and Misaki.

Good point.

Sooners is completely valid in not having Mousasi in the top 10 LHWs, still don't understand how people have him at 3, he's a 7-13 guy.