MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

Nate Marquardt ya definitely. Besides losing to spider how many top ten guys is he going to have to walk through before he gets respect?

Nice list Bigs, I like u showing Rampage some love

1 Fedor - GOAT > .
2 Spider - Would be #1 if he had a good 2009
3 GSP - 2009 F'erOTY
4 Penn - Don't see any losses on the horizon.
5 Shogun - Back to being #1 205er in the world.
6 Machida - Always looked good until his last fight. Needs to win in a bad way.
7 Aldo - Huge 2009
8 Bowels - Can't wait for a rematch with torres
9 Mousasi - All he does is win. Four years, 15 straight.
10 Rampage - Is Rampage
11 Hendo - Is going to have a SF belt this year.
12 Torres - See Bowels
13 Belfort - Been on a great roll. Toughest Fight of his life is next.
14 Big Nog - Reemergence? Win over Cain will be crucial for a title shot.
15 MTB - Toughest FW
16 Faber - Most talented FW
17 Florian - Future Champ (as long as BJ is out of the picture). Might be sveral years though.
18 Aoki - Pop!
19 Marquardt - His time is coming.
20 Mir - Surprisingly (to me) continues to improve.

wow LA and Bigs, not a whole lotta love for my boy Mousasi huh? lol

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Bj Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Shogun Rua
8. Brian Bowles
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Dan Henderson
11. Urijah Faber
12. Mike Brown
13. Miguel Torres
14. Thiago Alves
15. Rampage
16. Big Nog
17. Jon Fitch
18. Shinya Aoki
19. Nate Marquardt
20. Josh Koscheck
21. Kenny Florian

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Nice list Bigs, I like u showing Rampage some love

Well he needs to fight Rashad and he might shoot up a little higher in the rankings. I'd also love to see him fight Shogun again and obviously Machida. He definitely deserves to be in the top 15 p4p and he's close to cracking the top 10. He'd probably already be in my top 10 had he not taken the layoff.

oggy420 wrote:

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Bj Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Shogun Rua
8. Brian Bowles
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Dan Henderson
11. Urijah Faber
12. Mike Brown
13. Miguel Torres
14. Thiago Alves
15. Rampage
16. Big Nog
17. Jon Fitch
18. Shinya Aoki
19. Nate Marquardt
20. Josh Koscheck
21. Kenny Florian

I like the inclusion of Marquardt. If I had put more thought into my list I'd probably include him too.

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Lyoto Machida- only reason he is ahead of BJ still is the fact that he still hasnt lost.
5. BJ Penn
6. Brian Bowles
7. Jose Aldo
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Shogun
10. Hendo
11. Torres
12. Mike Brown
13. Aoki
14. Urijah Faber
15. Rashad Evans
16. Big Nog
17. Diego Sanchez
18. Vitor Belfort
19. Jon Fitch
20. Thiago Alves

HM's: Frank Mir, Jake Shields, Nate Marquardt, Rampage, KenFlo, Mike Swick, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck

I know people think Sheilds is overrated and don't like him, I do aswell, but he's got to be in the top 20, wins at WW over Condit and Daley, at MW over Lawler, Okami and Mayhem that's how u get put in P4P lists.

And Vitor in the top 20 is a stretch

NoRegret wrote:

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Lyoto Machida- only reason he is ahead of BJ still is the fact that he still hasnt lost.
5. BJ Penn
6. Brian Bowles
7. Jose Aldo
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Shogun
10. Hendo
11. Torres
12. Mike Brown
13. Aoki
14. Urijah Faber
15. Rashad Evans
16. Big Nog
17. Diego Sanchez
18. Vitor Belfort
19. Jon Fitch
20. Thiago Alves

HM's: Frank Mir, Jake Shields, Nate Marquardt, Rampage, KenFlo, Mike Swick, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck

I also have Machida ahead of Penn and the biggest reason is because they fought and BJ lost. Obviously BJ was way out of his weight class but still, if two p4p greats get in the cage together that's gotta mean something. At the time Machida wasn't what he is today either. BJ would get crushed by him now for sure.

Yep, I agree Bigs.

Note: every fighter in the top 15 so far has a win vs. a top 5 guy in their weight class, except Mousasi who doesn't yet have a win vs. a top 10 guy.

NoRegret wrote:

wow LA and Bigs, not a whole lotta love for my boy Mousasi huh? lol

Considering his best win to this point is over Jacare, Manhoef, or maybe Babalu...the fact that he's even in the top 20 right now is showing him a lot of love. He needs to fight better talent. The guys mentioned above are very good but not even close to top 20 p4p.

Bigs03 wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Lyoto Machida- only reason he is ahead of BJ still is the fact that he still hasnt lost.
5. BJ Penn
6. Brian Bowles
7. Jose Aldo
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Shogun
10. Hendo
11. Torres
12. Mike Brown
13. Aoki
14. Urijah Faber
15. Rashad Evans
16. Big Nog
17. Diego Sanchez
18. Vitor Belfort
19. Jon Fitch
20. Thiago Alves

HM's: Frank Mir, Jake Shields, Nate Marquardt, Rampage, KenFlo, Mike Swick, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck

I also have Machida ahead of Penn and the biggest reason is because they fought and BJ lost. Obviously BJ was way out of his weight class but still, if two p4p greats get in the cage together that's gotta mean something. At the time Machida wasn't what he is today either. BJ would get crushed by him now for sure.

BJ is LW, Machida is a LHW, you know BJ gave Machida his toughest test in that fight until he fought Shogun

Shields makes my top 25, not taking anyone out of my top 20 for him. Once Hendo wrecks him people will realize how truly one dimensional he is.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Note: every fighter in the top 15 so far has a win vs. a top 5 guy in their weight class, except Mousasi who doesn't yet have a win vs. a top 10 guy.

But you think Jake Shields is great?

Put him in the UFC and I think him being a top 10 MW or WW is a stretch.

So only 1 edit?

Yeah, Oggy I agree bro. I have Shields in my top 25...as you all can see my Honorable Mentions at the end, but apparently thats not good enough lol

NoRegret wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Note: every fighter in the top 15 so far has a win vs. a top 5 guy in their weight class, except Mousasi who doesn't yet have a win vs. a top 10 guy.

But you think Jake Shields is great?

Put him in the UFC and I think him being a top 10 MW or WW is a stretch.

Mousasi is ahead of Sheilds in my rankings anyways, but Sheilds has wins vs. top 10 guys in 2 divisions, whether you think Mousasi would beat him or not (I do) is meaningless, Sheilds is really a WW.

I think that in the UFC right now...

I think AT WW all of these fighters would beat Jake Shields:

-Thiago Alves
-Josh Koscheck
-GSP
-Fitch
-Hughes
-Anthony Johnson
-Kampmann

After those guys its kinda fuzzy but i think Dan Hardy and Paulo Thiago would give him a stiff test as well.

Not sure you understand how P4P works, wins vs. Condit and Daley at WW, 2 top 10 guys, and wins over Okami, Lawler and Mayhem at MW, 1 top 10 and 2 top 20 guys. Lets just take KenFlo for example, he doesn't have a win vs. a top 10 fighter. I don't even like Sheilds, but this is how p4P works.

Well then LA, your P4P list must be correct since only you apparently can have the correct one.

Anyone that tries to stray away from the norm is obviously wrong. Thank you sir for clarifying that for me.

My p4p lists are different for the fact that I rank ppl based on how tough they would be to beat PRESENTLY.

Sanchez in here is a surprise to me. He is hardly a top 10 LW in a majority of published rankings.

who do you see beating Sanchez at 155 outside of Penn? I dont see too many LW's beating him...he's definately a top 5 LW IMO

Aoki, Florian, Alverez, Edgar, Griffin, Melendez, Hansen for starters