MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

Im when Im Not gonna argue with Guy Mezger

i edited my post to include the FW's and BW's.

Just curious what some peoples P4P's look like, tried thinking of mine and it's pretty tough outside the top 5, and even the top 3 could go in any order. This is more for discussion, not related to Farm's thing.

Making it Top 20 P4P so impress me

Also found this at fightmatrix, kind of interesting http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/division-dominance-list/

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Bj Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Shogun Rua
8. Brian Bowles
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Dan Henderson
11. Urijah Faber
12. Mike Brown
13. Miguel Torres
14. Thiago Alves
15. Rampage
16. Big Nog
17. Jon Fitch
18. Shinya Aoki
19. Nate Marquardt
20. Josh Koscheck
21. Kenny Florian

Wow those are some pretty good rankings

It's crazy cause there's so many guys that could go like 8-15, MTB, Faber, Torres, Aoki, Page, Fitch, Sheilds, Alves.......Brock jk

1) Fedor
2) Anderson
3) GSP
4) Penn
5) Machida
6) Aldo
7) Shogun
Aoki
9) Mousasi
10) Henderson

yea i thought about putting faber on there but if you put Faber you kinda have to put Brown on there too. But i cant wait for him to fight Aldo.

1. Anderson Silva
2. George St Pierre
3. B J Penn
4. Fedor
5. Jose Aldo
6. Gegard Mousasi
7. Lloyoto Machida
8. Shogun Rua
9. Brian Bowles
10. Dan Henderson

Are we gonna have an official Ninja's Place top 10 p4p?

how do we do that oggy?

well everyone just posts there top 10 p4p and someone has to tally and count the votes just like Farmer does with the other rankings.

ahhhh Genius Genius!!!!!

Sounds like a good idea

My intentions are more for discussion like Machida below Aldo and Mousasi? and Fedor at 4 Bird? I'm more interested in talking about why people put guys wherever, but if Farm wants I'll tally it up and he can use it if he wants, know he doesn't like discussing em for whatever reason.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

My intentions are more for discussion like Machida below Aldo and Mousasi? and Fedor at 4 Bird? I'm more interested in talking about why people put guys wherever, but if Farm wants I'll tally it up and he can use it if he wants, know he doesn't like discussing em for whatever reason.

Ok no prob,
Well with Fedor, I have no problem with anyone saying he is flat out best heavyweight there is. P4P I am not so sure, I think If Anderson was bigger doing what he does he would take Fedor out, same with GSP and BJ, those are all hypotheical ifs but thats what P4P is all about.

I think Anderson is Pound for Pound best fighter in the world right know.
I think GSP is more on top of his game than ever before and controls maybe the toughest division
BJ Penn controls his division and has done a hell of alot in his career
Then I have Fedor, best Heavyweight and easily a top 5 P4P fighter. If he were to beat Brock or even continue and run through the likes of Werdum and Overeem, he will move up

Aldo is just a nut, a freak, best reflexes out there in my opinoin, he knows their shooting before they do.
Machida has beat old Tito, Rashad, and looked less than impressive vs Rua
He is a top 10 guy just not as good as we thought he was IMO.

Mousasi to me is also the 2nd best person not in UFC IMO, could really challenge UFCs division and I cant wait to see him vs Henderson if it happens.

Thanks, but Fedor has never lost a fight, and beaten Nog 3 times in his prime (1 was ruled a NC), Cro Cop in his prime, AA when he was ranked #2, Timmy when he was top 5 and relevent, ur boy Coleman twice, and so on. While I don't think it's ridiculous to believe that if Anderson or GSP were the same size as Fedor their skills would translate to a better fighter, it's still tough to put any of them above him, and certianly not my boy BJ aswell putting him at 5th. Although Fedor, Anderson and GSP can be put in any order 1-3 without me questioning it.

Aldo doesn't have the same quality and quantity of wins yet to be placed above an undefeated Machida, who not just beat, but schooled Rashad and Thiago a top 5 and top 10 LHW, and whether questionable or not beat another top 3 LHW in Shogun.

I also think people go a little overboard with Mousasi, talented absolutely, but does he really have the quality wins yet to be placed in the top 10 P4P? I mean, I'd probably put him there at 9 or 10, maybe even 11 or 12, but wins over guys at different weight classes that a number of guys would beat fail to overly impress me. I'd agree thathe's the 2nd best non-UFC fighter, but the Hendo fight will be a huge test to determine where he's really at.

And ur list is ur list, nobodies is really right or wrong,, but I'm still going to discuss any of them, hell I can't even finalize my own list caue it's so close 8-15, probably will do a top 20

Ya cool Bird, I can buy into Fedor being ranked lower than one, even if I have him there. Sometimes us Fedor fans ranking him anything below an unbeatable cyborg is an insult.

Also, good call on the Mousasi love LA, I think it has gone a little too far.


EVERYONE DO A P4P TOP TWENTY. I think that does these fighters more justice and also leaves you with less ten minute long annoying decisions to make.


1. Fedor.
2. Anderson.
3. GSP.
4. BJ Penn.
5. Machida.
6. Brain Bowles
7. Jose Aldo.
8. Dan Henderson.
9. Mike Brown.
10. Miguel Torres.
11. Urijah Faber.
12. Shogun.
13. Gegard Mousasi.
14. Thiago Alves.
15. Jake Shields.
16. Rashad Evans.
17. Rampage.
18. Aoki.
19. Diego Sanchez.
20. John Fitch.

Interesting list Wolfy, Bowles at 6

1.) Anderson, I feel like I'm insulting any of these guys by not putting em at 1
1A.) Fedor
1B.) GSP
4.) BJ
5.) Machida, BJ at 4 and Machida at 5 are locked right now IMO
6.) Aldo, Sick skills, dominated MTB another top 10, at least 15 P4Per
7.) Shogun, Clearly he's back, if he loses again to Machida he drops out of the top 10
8.) Bowles, Crushed Torres when he was a top 5 P4P guy, and think he beats him again
9.) Hendo, it's Hendo
10.) MTB, a loss to Aldo shouldn't drop him out of the top 10 when he beat Faber twice
11.) Faber, too many dominate wins to move too far down, huge fight with Aldo
12.) Torres, the road back begins with Benazidez
13.) Rampage, look at his like last 10 fights and opponents, 1 controversial loss to Forrest
14.) Mousasi, young and talented, but lets chill
15.) Fitch, not exciting but beats everyone, but GSP
16.) Sheilds, I think Alves and Kos beat him down, but his resume speaks for itself
17.) Alves, beast
18.) Aoki
19.) Rashad, top LHW, and could fight at MW
20.) Diego, top 10 LW and still would be a top 10 WW IMO

Feel free to critique my list, I'm drunk so I might change it still.

Bowles at six for me, eight for you, not a huge difference. I think he has proven much more in the division than Aldo has, four or five top ten wins in eight fives, all impressive. Undefeated. Less top ten wins for Aldo, he also has a loss. Neither has defended a title, but Miguel rightly or wrongly was ranked higher by most over Brown and had defended longer.

And if you look I pretty much go straight down the divisional lines for the best fighters in each class through six. No one after that really deserves to be above the champions now. I know Shogun looks to be back, but we can't just forget his Coleman and Griffin fights. Hendo is back too, but his recent wins are less p4p quality than any of the smaller weight champions are. I'd like to keep some of the other LHW's out of the top ten until they re-establish themselves. But no big deal.

Otherwise our lists are very similar, and it really isn't worthwhile to bicker on the order of this fighter vs this fighter. I like your list. If I did my list tomorrow again, it might look just like that.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson
4. Machida
5. Penn
6. Aoki
7. Aldo
8. Bowles
9. Torres
10. Shogun
11. Rampage
12. Mike Brown
13. Urijah Faber
14. Dan Henderson
15. Gegard Mousasi
16. Frank Mir
17. Fitch
18. Alves
19. Rashad
20. Diego

So far I think all three lists are the same 20 guys. Strange.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

So far I think all three lists are the same 20 guys. Strange.

I actually toyed with the idea of putting Lesnar number 20, however, I couldn't bring myself to do it. All things being equal, which is ideally what p4p is all about, Brock is far less skilled than the fighters on these lists above. When you get into a top 20 argument you're not going to get very many lists that have altogether different fighters listed. Top 20 is top 20, it's all about where you rank said fighters within the top 20.

I think the biggest difference in our lists is that I have Frank Mir and not Shields. Also I rank Aoki much higher than ya'll do.

I didn't see Frank Mir on there. That is some what shocking.

Who are the honorable mentions for your lists?

I have Vitor Belfort, Frankie Edgar, Kenny Florian, Josh Koscheck and Joseph Benavidez as guys who could have made the list.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I didn't see Frank Mir on there. That is some what shocking.

Who are the honorable mentions for your lists?

I have Vitor Belfort, Frankie Edgar, Kenny Florian, Josh Koscheck and Joseph Benavidez as guys who could have made the list.

Honestly for HM I would probably say Velasquez, definitely KenFlo, Forrest, Rich Franklin, Jake Shields, Eddie Alvarez, Vitor, Gilbert Melendez, Josh Thomson, Nick Diaz, Josh Barnett, Koscheck, and probably Nate Marquardt too.