Which brutal shitkicking victim is most likely to take vengeance?

bobbitt15 wrote:

And do what?

Machida isn't gonna be able to run away from wrestlers in every fight. Rashad is alot better then that fight. He was cocky and tried to stand and bang. He won't do it again. Machida has great TD defense like Wolf said, but Shad can get him down if he sticks with it imo. It may not happen if they fought again, but to think it can't happen is crazy.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

And do what?

Machida isn't gonna be able to run away from wrestlers in every fight. Rashad is alot better then that fight. He was cocky and tried to stand and bang. He won't do it again. Machida has great TD defense like Wolf said, but Shad can get him down if he sticks with it imo. It may not happen if they fought again, but to think it can't happen is crazy.

to think that it can happen when it has never happened before is crazy... Couture got in close and couldn't do shit to Machida... Evans stands NO chance against Machida... IMO

Even if he put him down he wouldn't hold him there. Just because he looked dominant against Tito, I can't forget about the fact that he couldn't hold a bad back Thiago down for more than 15 seconds despite taking him down 25 times

The last time Rashad fought Machida he hardly used any wrestling and was on a roll with his ko's. He fought very stupid and thought he could ko Machida like he had just done so to Forrest and Liddell. He wont make the same mistake again.

The last time he fought him he tried to work a complete Greg Jackson game but was stopped mentally in his tracks by the inability to do anything without Machida already having a bead on it, and an inability to read Machida's movements. His takedown game is very predicated on this ability and his general style is. Like all the best Jackson fighters are. Like GSP is, and like Guida is becoming increasingly. If Evans can't use feigns and strikes to set up the takedown, good luck shooting when Machida knows it from distance. Or trying to get close with Machida's base.


Shogun has the best chance. Because he did not fight at all like the fast fighter we know. He lacked all confidence and athleticism. Athletic super Shogun has the best chance.

This is also because athletic Shogun is the best LHW of all time. Sorry. Check the resumes.

Honestly I don't think Shogun has the best chance at redeeming himself against Jones even if he's "athletic super shogun". Jones came at him with absolutely no fear at all and proceeded to tear him a new asshole with ranged striking and takedowns. Shogun NEVER had fantastic takedown defense and if he got into trouble Jones would go right to it, his base is strong and wide enough that he'll avoid most subs and when in doubt a few elbows will be enough to persuade almost anyone to let go of a limb.

Wolf, Rua is the GOAT at 205 but he got beat by the guy that will take that title off him in Jones. Unfortunately I can't see anyone beating Jones in the near future. I hope I'm wrong though.

Shogun at his peak can finish anyone and is faster than Jones. At not yet 30, it's easy to see him regaining said form. He's had injuries, but they got steroids for that.

The issue isn't that he's 29. The issue is that he's 29 with lingering and often recurring injuries that require multiple surgical repairs and he has a habit of not giving those repairs the proper amount of time to heal fully. He's more likely to destroy his body before the age of 34 than he is of returning to 2006 type form. Shogun is definitely a killer and if he gets an opening he attacks it like an animal, but I don't truly believe he that much faster than Jones at this point. Jones may not have faced anyone near Shogun's level prior to beating him but nobody has come close to matching his speed. The only hope Shogun would have is surviving until Jones got tired(like he did in the Bonnar fight) but the problem there is Shogun also has cardio issues. I just don't see it.

As far as who I voted for I took Rashad over Machida. We aren't talking about the same two fighters anymore. Machida has been fighting like he's about to shit his pants after the second fight with Rua. He won't be full on blitz attack and following Rashad around after he stuffs a couple takedown attempts. Rashad isn't going to go in thinking he can turn Machida into another highlight reel KO a second time, he's going to bully Machida around and pressure the shit out of him. If Rampage can corner Lyoto then so can Rashad. Let's not even discuss Couture to build Machida up. Just because he couldn't lock Machida up doesn't mean it isn't possible given the circumstances of the fight itself.

Ludo wrote:

The issue isn't that he's 29. The issue is that he's 29 with lingering and often recurring injuries that require multiple surgical repairs and he has a habit of not giving those repairs the proper amount of time to heal fully. He's more likely to destroy his body before the age of 34 than he is of returning to 2006 type form. Shogun is definitely a killer and if he gets an opening he attacks it like an animal, but I don't truly believe he that much faster than Jones at this point. Jones may not have faced anyone near Shogun's level prior to beating him but nobody has come close to matching his speed. The only hope Shogun would have is surviving until Jones got tired(like he did in the Bonnar fight) but the problem there is Shogun also has cardio issues. I just don't see it.

As far as who I voted for I took Rashad over Machida. We aren't talking about the same two fighters anymore. Machida has been fighting like he's about to shit his pants after the second fight with Rua. He won't be full on blitz attack and following Rashad around after he stuffs a couple takedown attempts. Rashad isn't going to go in thinking he can turn Machida into another highlight reel KO a second time, he's going to bully Machida around and pressure the shit out of him. If Rampage can corner Lyoto then so can Rashad. Let's not even discuss Couture to build Machida up. Just because he couldn't lock Machida up doesn't mean it isn't possible given the circumstances of the fight itself.

Shogun blew his knee once, had the wrong surgery in Brazil and forced his rehab. Then he returned to form and beat fought well for three fights, and re-injured it for the Jones fight and fought awful. But he got his knee fixed correctly this time. His first fight back, he smashes a guy who beat him the first time he hurt his knee in two minutes and he's supposedly done forever?


Machida fought gun shy on a Rampage, to up to that point had dropped 100% of his UFC opponents with strikes win or lose, for two rounds, before nearly knocking Rampage's fucking head off in the third. Then he crushed Couture. Don't read too much into that. He was facing the possibly the hardest puncher in LHW history.


Rampage wouldn't bully Machida like that again and last, I promise you. That was more likely a two round lapse than a permanent shift in Machida. And Evans never would. Let's not forget Evans has serious chin issues himself.

Shogun took on a fighter who was talking about retiring soon as of two weeks ago. A fighter who began fighting as an escape from real life, who no longer wants to escape from it. It was never out of the question that Shogun could blast Forrest in the first few minutes, he could have done the same thing four years ago. I never said he was done, I said it is more likely that he is forced to retire due to a jacked knee in the next five years than it is that he becomes the 2006 Shogun again. Lets not act like his career hasn't included a series of "vengeance" fights in which he didn't quite get the job done the first time around. I'll grant that he definitely has a knack for getting fired up after losing to someone but I don't see him beating Jones unless he develops some serious takedown defense. If he can keep the fight standing he can work his ultra aggressive striking as long as he needs to, but if he can't stop the takedown it's unlikely he's able to do much better on the bottom under Jones.

I don't disagree about Bones/Shogun given what we saw the first time, even if it wasn't the best Shogun

I'm totally on the other side of Rashad/Machida though. He still gets blasted, and hard

Rampage over Shogun, Rampage has said that he didn't know how to train back then, I think that fight would have him highly motivated especially if he is holding the belt again.

I will believe in Rashad 2.0 after the next fight, Rampage or Jones, if he gets by whoever it is

what is this 2006 Shogun stuff? How about 2010 Shogun.

bobbitt15 wrote:

I don't disagree about Bones/Shogun given what we saw the first time, even if it wasn't the best Shogun

I'm totally on the other side of Rashad/Machida though. He still gets blasted, and hard

I have a hard time seeing either one of those happening. I would be pretty surprised if either guy was able to avenge those loses. I think it is far more possible that Rampage beats Shogun, although I wouldn't bet on that one either.

8 votes for evans? Do they even watch MMA here? JP

timthebim wrote:

I think most would want to see Shogun win as a matter of fact we wouldnt even need a poll if it was who we want to win a revenge fight.

F that, I want Bones to bust his ass again.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

8 votes for evans? Do they even watch MMA here? JP

I'm more surprised 17 people actually voted

and I went Machida, bad decision or not(I didnt see it as terrible as most) the first fight was competitive, and Lyoto just got caught in the 2nd fight.

Tempted to say Evans vs Machida. Could Evans just wrestle his way to a decision? I guess. I would puke if he did. But it's possible.

I think Bones is just too good, too much room to improve, too athletic, too good a wrestler.

And Page has not turned in an impressive performance in far too long for me to consider that one.

captain organic wrote:

and I went Machida, bad decision or not(I didnt see it as terrible as most) the first fight was competitive, and Lyoto just got caught in the 2nd fight.

Tempted to say Evans vs Machida. Could Evans just wrestle his way to a decision? I guess. I would puke if he did. But it's possible.

I think Bones is just too good, too much room to improve, too athletic, too good a wrestler.

And Page has not turned in an impressive performance in far too long for me to consider that one.

It would have to be a 3 round fight and Rashad would have to come in with his best game plan ever. Like mentioned in this thread Machida has very good balance/take down defense. In a 5 round fight I don't see any way Rashad can get the dec. He would have to throw some bombs and pray one connects before he is countered and killed.

wrestle wrestle wrestle. Dudes have done this for 5 rnds. And I've seen guys with good takedown defense wrestled up b4.

Not saying Evans would. And Im sure as hell not hoping it happens. But these things do happen fairly often in MMA.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

what is this 2006 Shogun stuff? How about 2010 Shogun.

2010 Shogun won the belt but injured his knee again and had to undergo surgery which kept him out for ten months.

killerofchicken wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

And do what?

Machida isn't gonna be able to run away from wrestlers in every fight. Rashad is alot better then that fight. He was cocky and tried to stand and bang. He won't do it again. Machida has great TD defense like Wolf said, but Shad can get him down if he sticks with it imo. It may not happen if they fought again, but to think it can't happen is crazy.

to think that it can happen when it has never happened before is crazy... Couture got in close and couldn't do shit to Machida... Evans stands NO chance against Machida... IMO

Rashad would buttfuck Randy's world up Killer. No comparison, next please!

Wolf and Bobbitt are clearly having make up sex in this thread.