Zuffa Plans to Reevaluate Strikeforce

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Why are you so certain that the UFC won't sign as many SF fighters of value as possible and just release the rest? Been done before.

The UFC has 280 fighters and will need a dozen more for BW's. They'd have to cut dozens from both rosters. Guys would be being cut who normally wouldn't be. Guys who could add a lot of value to a newly exposed Bellator. Why would the UFC turn over a bunch of good fighters and all the best women fighters to the competition on their old network? Does not compute. There is nothing ever in the history of their business model to suggest this. Point out the WEC being merged and ill remind you that the UFC was ON VERSES THEMSELVES, in addition to have outgrown being a sister league. The new divisions were ready. The women divisions are not ready. The UFC isn't likely going to turn over the women divisions to a competitor for nothing. That is absurd. Spike is not VS. Strikeforce is not the WEC. The situations were entirely different.

There is no chance the UFC does this. None. Strikeforce is not going to be closed and if you still believe it is after honestly assessing the evidence ive presented I lose respect for your parents and the job they did, and you as a human. Burn in hell.

I am kidding btw. Someone prove me wrong though.

Strikeforce will become a company of up and comers, Women's MMA and people banned from the UFC like Daley. Whenever someone gets big he will move over to the UFC.

freakzilla wrote:

Strikeforce will become a company of up and comers, Women's MMA and people banned from the UFC like Daley. Whenever someone gets big he will move over to the UFC.

Freak has the leg up on most of the best members here. Sad day for Ninjas place. Good post freak though.

Lol, thanks Wolf. You need to post more.

Why are any fighters of value not under the Zuffa banner? Why do they lose guys sometimes who still have value? It's not out of the question that they will get what they can and just live with that. You are being just as delusional as the people you are insulting. You don't KNOW for a fact about any of this. Saying there is zero chance is just an extremely ignorant statement. Just like the people being overly optimistic that Zuffa can do no wrong you aren't being objective here. Again I hope you are right but again you are assuming an outcome that has not yet be decided. To speak with such certainty is nothing more then complete optimism.

Just like I LOL'd at the total and complete faith and optimism in Zuffa by some of our best posters, I will do the same to you for your refusal to acknowledge any other possible outcome.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Spending 40 mil to eliminate one threat just to create another makes no sense though.

What other? No one will step up like SF again, won't happen.

OU wrote:

Just like I LOL'd at the total and complete faith and optimism in Zuffa by some of our best posters, I will do the same to you for your refusal to acknowledge any other possible outcome.

That faith remains bro, type Fox and UFC into goggle, really we want SF to be kept as a feeder, but honestly it matters not either way, the best fighters will be moved over, that's the most important thing.

Wolf is just making a strong case why they'd keep SF, as I said it makes sense for the UFC to keep SF even if it loses a bit of money per year just to corner more of the market. They create a feeder, works guys up, but also have a place to keep fighters who just aren't UFC level or consistently UFC level, yet still high level fighters. They can also showcase WMMA there. A UFC feeder would be the 2nd best Org in MMA and could probably get a nice TV deal too.

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Just like I LOL'd at the total and complete faith and optimism in Zuffa by some of our best posters, I will do the same to you for your refusal to acknowledge any other possible outcome.

There is no "faith" or "optimism". Just an objective look at what makes sense from a business perspective. Closing Strikeforce at the same time Bellator moves to Spike and they have to add another weight class makes the least sense of anything Zuffa has done in years.

LA wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Spending 40 mil to eliminate one threat just to create another makes no sense though.

What other? No one will step up like SF again, won't happen.

Bellator backed by Spike and Viacom would become a Strikeforce in short order. The network that grew the UFC could easily grow another promotion. This isn't to say they'd be an equal to the UFC or a major major threat, but I am telling you, a company putting on free Spike TV fights on Saturday's would cost the UFC millions every month.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Just like I LOL'd at the total and complete faith and optimism in Zuffa by some of our best posters, I will do the same to you for your refusal to acknowledge any other possible outcome.

There is no "faith" or "optimism". Just an objective look at what makes sense from a business perspective. Closing Strikeforce at the same time Bellator moves to Spike and they have to add another weight class makes the least sense of anything Zuffa has done in years.

You are absolutely making assumptions about Zuffa's intentions. You are not giving your opinion on the subject you are trying to sell it as facts. Again if Zuffa KNEW they were going to keep SF they wouldn't have to "re-evaluate". You weren't here for the other discussions on the same subject but you obviously have to know that not every move by Zuffa post buyout points to SF being kept around. If you don't think so then you don't have enough information.

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Again if Zuffa KNEW they were going to keep SF they wouldn't have to "re-evaluate". You weren't here for the other discussions on the same subject but you obviously have to know that not every move by Zuffa post buyout points to SF being kept around. If you don't think so then you don't have enough information.

they're going to reevaluate the business model, their structure, they will not close strikeforce and overeem, hendo, diaz and fedor mean nothing to the reasons they will keep them open.

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Again if Zuffa KNEW they were going to keep SF they wouldn't have to "re-evaluate". You weren't here for the other discussions on the same subject but you obviously have to know that not every move by Zuffa post buyout points to SF being kept around. If you don't think so then you don't have enough information.

they're going to reevaluate the business model, their structure, they will not close strikeforce and overeem, hendo, diaz and fedor mean nothing to the reasons they will keep them open.

When did Drew hook you up with an inside job? Don't be stingy, give us the Zuffa heads up on the company more often.

I don't need inside information to know closing Strikeforce makes no business sense and that no one who believes they will close it has a single logical argument.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't need inside information to know closing Strikeforce makes no business sense and that no one who believes they will close it has a single logical argument.

LOL you're such a fucking noob and it's hilarious. So I'm to believe that you know and everyone else on this board and in the MMA community have no fucking clue. Yeah I'm buying that one LOL

How do Diaz, Hendo, Overeem and Fedor mean nothing?

If u take away SF's best fighters, this deals a major blow to any potential TV deal. Take away the TV deal's $$$ and what is left? A bunch of up and comers on a rinky dink channel? A promotion for whom u can never have a "face" cause that face is out the door as soon as there is interest? See the death spiral here?

Im not saying it's instantaneous, but I do not see a good long term outlook for SF.

WEC? Dead
Pride? Dead
Affliction? Dead
SF? is there any other possible outcome here?

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Wolfgangsta wrote:

Spending 40 mil to eliminate one threat just to create another makes no sense though.

What other? No one will step up like SF again, won't happen.

It's a near certainty that we will see competing orgs rise again.

Here's my thought on keeping SF viable.


Tourney's, tourney's, tourney's.

Not only the up and comers. But every year there is a tourney featuring one weight class of all Zuffa fighters.

Do this and SF lives. Do not, and might as well start digging.

captain organic wrote:

How do Diaz, Hendo, Overeem and Fedor mean nothing?

If u take away SF's best fighters, this deals a major blow to any potential TV deal. Take away the TV deal's $$$ and what is left? A bunch of up and comers on a rinky dink channel? A promotion for whom u can never have a "face" cause that face is out the door as soon as there is interest? See the death spiral here?

Im not saying it's instantaneous, but I do not see a good long term outlook for SF.

WEC? Dead
Pride? Dead
Affliction? Dead
SF? is there any other possible outcome here?

You have to look at these issues closely. Again, no one expected or should expect Zuffa to not take away the best PPV caliber fighters for the PPV side of their business. That was always going to happen. That would have happened no matter what.

Did the IFL, Bellator, or the WEC when it first got on HDnet and then Vs have a big star like those? No. You don't need huge stars to get on TV. That argument is defeated.

Pride, Affliction were not bought and ran as separate promotions, they collapsed and the UFC bought their rights basically.

The ONLY analogy that we can apply is the WEC. The only one. Why? Because it is the only promotion ran as a separate promotion. Why did they buy it? Because their Spike deal was exclusive at that time. The Fox deal is exclusive. Spike TV is open. Vs is open. There are networks everywhere looking for MMA, especially Zuffa MMA. Strikeforce has a good brand. Casuals aren't going to be like "Oh hendo and diaz left fuck Strikeforce". Makes no sense. Why was the WEC folded? Because the UFC themselves had gotten on VS, and the LW division was UFC caliber, and they had two other divisions fully UFC ready. Strikeforce has NONE of these.

The UFC is not going to turn over WMMA to a competitor. Dana has never ever ever said he wants out of the WMMA business. He said the divisions need grown. That is what SF is doing.

There is no evidence they are closing Strikeforce. Use logic men, I beg you.

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So I'm to believe that you know and everyone else on this board and in the MMA community have no fucking clue. Yeah I'm buying that one LOL

Brock. Case closed.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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So I'm to believe that you know and everyone else on this board and in the MMA community have no fucking clue. Yeah I'm buying that one LOL

Brock. Case closed.

You were not alone in that one. There may have only been a couple of us, be we were here.

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Wolfgangsta wrote:

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So I'm to believe that you know and everyone else on this board and in the MMA community have no fucking clue. Yeah I'm buying that one LOL

Brock. Case closed.

You were not alone in that one. There may have only been a couple of us, be we were here.

I walk among the few!

So if the only suitable analogy is WEC, I still win.

IFL is out of business, and Bellator keeps there big stars, so again, I'm winning.