Lesnar is out. It's Dos Santos vs Carwin now.

freakzilla wrote:

Brock took Cain down but Cain was able to get up because of his wrestling. JDS is smaller than Cain and has nowhere near the wrestling skill. I don't think JDS would've been able to get up.

Erm JDS is much bigger than Cain, and he showed solid takedown defense against Nelson.

Ali wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Brock took Cain down but Cain was able to get up because of his wrestling. JDS is smaller than Cain and has nowhere near the wrestling skill. I don't think JDS would've been able to get up.

Erm JDS is much bigger than Cain, and he showed solid takedown defense against Nelson.

Cain is 248 pounds, JDS is 240. Nelson isn't a wrestler and is nowhere near as strong as Carwin.

freakzilla wrote:

Ali wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Brock took Cain down but Cain was able to get up because of his wrestling. JDS is smaller than Cain and has nowhere near the wrestling skill. I don't think JDS would've been able to get up.

Erm JDS is much bigger than Cain, and he showed solid takedown defense against Nelson.

Cain is 248 pounds, JDS is 240. Nelson isn't a wrestler and is nowhere near as strong as Carwin.

JDS is 6'4, Cain is 6'1.

Weight and wrestling skill is more important than height.

Well since I have a family member who has had diverticulitis and had multiple relapses, I can't say I am shocked. It sucks though, I was looking forward to this fight.

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/5/13/2169057/dont-tell-pat-barry-that-you-think-brocks-ducking-jds

Quote :

"TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR ME- BUT MY FRIEND HAD A RELAPSE OF
SOMETHING THAT ALMOST KILLED HIM AND LEFT HIS WIFE A WIDOW AND KIDS
FARHERLESS! AAAAAAANYBODY GOT SOMETHING SHITTY TO SAY ABOUT HIM
DUCKING A FIGHT OR BEING SCARED, COME FIND ME AND I'LL HEAR YOU OUT EYE
TO EYE!!! IF U GOT THE SAND!"

OU wrote:

I think Brock would have got his face pushed in. Part of me thinks he knows it and was never going to take the fight.

couldnt agree more

No one has said that diverticulitis is the excuse for not being in this fight. It is a reason for not competing and a justifiable one. Anyone implying that he is using it as an excuse is stupid. Anyone implying that those people who thought this fight would not happen are claiming diverticulitis is being used as an excuse are equally stupid.

This is bullshit. My second bout I went to the doc and got some Dioxycycline and was fine two days later. I have two pockets in my intestines and that is as bad as it gets,,,, unless you have actual holes in the walls of ur intestines. There is no way Brock has holes either. He has pockets formed like I do and you just have to eat right and everything is fine. Even if he ate a seed and it got stuck he would just need antibiotics to clear up any infection. If he had holes in the walls then they would have done surgery the last time.

Brock doesn't have to pull out of this fight and he knows it. He could have the surgery after the fight. He isn't a champion or he would fight thru this because it isn't as bad as he makes it seem. It only hurts if you let it go too long without antibiotics like he and I did the first time we got sick with it. I am no fan of Brock Lesnar anymore!

GDPofDRC wrote:

No one has said that diverticulitis is the excuse for not being in this fight. It is a reason for not competing and a justifiable one. Anyone implying that he is using it as an excuse is stupid. Anyone implying that those people who thought this fight would not happen are claiming diverticulitis is being used as an excuse are equally stupid.

Questions that come to my mind. When did he know about this? Did they wait until the last moment to tell us just to help TUF? Was Brock going to fight JDS or was this already known and he was just helping out the UFC with TUF? I don't think it is an excuse and Brock is lying. Just not so sure they knew Brock wasn't going to be able to compete.

Alistair Overeem

Quote :

I was not aware that Brock condition was that serious so I wish him a good recover and I hope to see him soon in the octagon.

GDPofDRC wrote:

No one has said that diverticulitis is the excuse for not being in this fight. It is a reason for not competing and a justifiable one. Anyone implying that he is using it as an excuse is stupid. Anyone implying that those people who thought this fight would not happen are claiming diverticulitis is being used as an excuse are equally stupid.

Call me stoopid then. I don't think this is a reason to call off the fight. You either have Diverticulitus or diverticulosis (which is worse). If he didn't eat right and he got an infection then he would just need the antibiotics and be all good within a week. Been there, done that and I don't see why he is pulling out of the fight. If it was that bad and holes had formed then he would be having the surgery and not thinking about it. Something isn't right imho.

Which one does he have again?

But what I mean is, if he has this again like he did before, that is a good reason not to fight and treat it. Like there are no excuses needed when there is reason. Could be details beyond the scope of knowledge available, I don't know them.

GDPofDRC wrote:

But what I mean is, if he has this again like he did before, that is a good reason not to fight and treat it. Like there are no excuses needed when there is reason. Could be details beyond the scope of knowledge available, I don't know them.

I agree that this was a good enough reason to pull from a fight. I don't think it is a made up or exaggerated injury. But I do think it might have been known and this fight was never really going to happen. Obviously I'm just guessing, but I think it is very possible they led us to believe they would fight just to help TUF.

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

But what I mean is, if he has this again like he did before, that is a good reason not to fight and treat it. Like there are no excuses needed when there is reason. Could be details beyond the scope of knowledge available, I don't know them.

I agree that this was a good enough reason to pull from a fight. I don't think it is a made up or exaggerated injury. But I do think it might have been known and this fight was never really going to happen. Obviously I'm just guessing, but I think it is very possible they led us to believe they would fight just to help TUF.

I think you're right.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

No one has said that diverticulitis is the excuse for not being in this fight. It is a reason for not competing and a justifiable one. Anyone implying that he is using it as an excuse is stupid. Anyone implying that those people who thought this fight would not happen are claiming diverticulitis is being used as an excuse are equally stupid.

Call me stoopid then. I don't think this is a reason to call off the fight. You either have Diverticulitus or diverticulosis (which is worse). If he didn't eat right and he got an infection then he would just need the antibiotics and be all good within a week. Been there, done that and I don't see why he is pulling out of the fight. If it was that bad and holes had formed then he would be having the surgery and not thinking about it. Something isn't right imho.

They already said he did a round of antibiotics and it did nothing for him

killerofchicken wrote:

Alistair Overeem

Quote :

I was not aware that Brock condition was that serious so I wish him a good recover and I hope to see him soon in the octagon.

Ubereem is a class act.

bobbitt15 wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

No one has said that diverticulitis is the excuse for not being in this fight. It is a reason for not competing and a justifiable one. Anyone implying that he is using it as an excuse is stupid. Anyone implying that those people who thought this fight would not happen are claiming diverticulitis is being used as an excuse are equally stupid.

Call me stoopid then. I don't think this is a reason to call off the fight. You either have Diverticulitus or diverticulosis (which is worse). If he didn't eat right and he got an infection then he would just need the antibiotics and be all good within a week. Been there, done that and I don't see why he is pulling out of the fight. If it was that bad and holes had formed then he would be having the surgery and not thinking about it. Something isn't right imho.

They already said he did a round of antibiotics and it did nothing for him

Who said that and with whom do they work for? A very small % of people would not take to antibiotics in Brock's case. The 2nd time I was sick the antibiotics had me feeling fine in a few days. Brock has either been dealing with Diverticulosis and hiding it, or he has diverticulitus and doesn't want to get punched in the face.

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/5/17/2174565/bigfoot-silva-has-doubts-about-brock-lesnar-illness-suggests-he-just

Quote :

"I don’t want to judge anyone and I really wish it’s not a big health
problem for [Lesnar], but I have some doubts. That big guy doesn’t like
being punched. In his last fights, he was put in the fetal position by Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez,
which is humiliating for a fighter. I think he pulled out of the fight
against ‘Cigano,’ who is a real heavy puncher and a real tough opponent
for someone who doesn’t like being punched."

Bigfoots always late to the party though

Bigfoot pretty much runs his mouth about everyone these days. His time will be here ubersoon

Bigfoot wants fights. Blame SF for keeping him on the bench for so long.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Bigfoot pretty much runs his mouth about everyone these days. His time will be here ubersoon

hes always been like this. kinda makes him look sad in a way always trying really hard to sell himself for others to believe he is an elite guy.

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/5/3/2151478/shane-carwin-has-been-hitting-the-gym-hard-in-advance-of-his-ufc-131
Shane Carwin has been hitting the gym
-- hard -- in advance of his UFC 131 bout against Jon Olav Einemo on
June 11. According to the big man's Twitter, he's currently walking around at a slimmed down 254-pounds.

"The Engineer" hasn't weighed in for a UFC fight at a weight that low since his promotional debut back in May 2008.

---

http://www.ninjasplace.com/t7559-looks-like-carwin-did-roids-at-some-point?highlight=carwin

connection?