Sanchez vs Kampmann (How did you score it?)

boomer sooner wrote:

I saw the headbutt too. I thought Sanchez' last cut was probably good enough to stop the fight. What happened at the end of round two where Sanchez fell backwards? Was he knocked down?

No I think he was just backpedaling and when Kampman put his hand on him he just lost his balance. I don't think it was a knock down.

Did anyone else think that Sanchez looked doughy and really out of shape. He's kind of a fatty now.

yeah, pretty much everyones with you on that one...

killerofchicken wrote:

OU wrote:

sokolkevin wrote:

diego won that third round no doubt he lost the first badly and diego changed to momentum just after the first half of the second round. Yes kampmann landed more strikes but diego was in his face the whole time. Close fight and could of gone either way but considereing how dominant kampmann was in the first and the looks of diegos face I would have to give that one to mark.

Landing more strikes and cleaner strikes > pushing foward IMO. Just because Deigo has a ton of heart and a great chin and was able to push forward while getting punched doesn't mean he was winning.

i agree OU, if pushing forward while getting beat up wins you fights then fuck, ill win a few in the ufc

all I said was he was the aggresor and made it a fight I gave it to kampmann via percentage of shots landed prob 3-1

sokolkevin wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

OU wrote:

sokolkevin wrote:

diego won that third round no doubt he lost the first badly and diego changed to momentum just after the first half of the second round. Yes kampmann landed more strikes but diego was in his face the whole time. Close fight and could of gone either way but considereing how dominant kampmann was in the first and the looks of diegos face I would have to give that one to mark.

Landing more strikes and cleaner strikes > pushing foward IMO. Just because Deigo has a ton of heart and a great chin and was able to push forward while getting punched doesn't mean he was winning.

i agree OU, if pushing forward while getting beat up wins you fights then fuck, ill win a few in the ufc

all I said was he was the aggresor and made it a fight I gave it to kampmann via percentage of shots landed prob 3-1

others are making it sound like the fight should be given to Diego because of the aggression tho

nah but because of the aggresiveness he did make it a dog fight and I gave him the third and the second was kinda close but diego got tooled so bad in the first that should of been the deciding round 10-8 imo.

Stuffing takedowns should count for more. I kind of figured that's how Machida won the first fight with Rua, by blocking his takedowns every round. I guess they didn't factor in this fight at all.

boomer sooner wrote:

Stuffing takedowns should count for more. I kind of figured that's how Machida won the first fight with Rua, by blocking his takedowns every round. I guess they didn't factor in this fight at all.

yup, agree with this

LOL check out the hippo trying to touch Diego

OU wrote:

LOL check out the hippo trying to touch Diego

lol

I think we need to ditch the judging by round system or start giving out more 10-10s, 10-8s and the occasional 10-7. That was it could be scored more accurately. We all saw Kampmann dominate the first. The next 2 were close (I have Kampmann) and obviously could have gone either way since there is this controversy. So why not score it like
R1 - 10-9 Kampmann
R2 - 10-10
R3 - 10-10
Final: Kampmann wins 30-29.

or

R1 - 10-8 Kampmann
R2 - 10-9 Diego
R3 - 10-9 Diego
Final: Draw

Both these outcomes seem more accurate than what the judges did who almost always stay on a rigid 10-9 scoring.

Like this: Diabaté defeated Cantwell via unanimous decision (30–27, 30–25, 30–26).

GDPofDRC wrote:

Like this: Diabaté defeated Cantwell via unanimous decision (30–27, 30–25, 30–26).

Didn't see that fight, but probably so.

killerofchicken wrote:

boomer sooner wrote:

Stuffing takedowns should count for more. I kind of figured that's how Machida won the first fight with Rua, by blocking his takedowns every round. I guess they didn't factor in this fight at all.

yup, agree with this

Why? You don't get points for blocking punches or power punches.

Farmer1906 wrote:

I think we need to ditch the judging by round system or start giving out more 10-10s, 10-8s and the occasional 10-7. That was it could be scored more accurately. We all saw Kampmann dominate the first. The next 2 were close (I have Kampmann) and obviously could have gone either way since there is this controversy. So why not score it like
R1 - 10-9 Kampmann
R2 - 10-10
R3 - 10-10
Final: Kampmann wins 30-29.

or

R1 - 10-8 Kampmann
R2 - 10-9 Diego
R3 - 10-9 Diego
Final: Draw

Both these outcomes seem more accurate than what the judges did who almost always stay on a rigid 10-9 scoring.

I've been on this kick for ever. I've never understood why in a 10 point system the seperation between fighter tallies is 1 point 95% of the time.

Im thinking the half point system they are trying out at the lower levels(in Ca I think) will provide similar results. Hopefully it makes it's way through.

How is adding the half point system going to improve judging when the judges already aren't fully applying the guidelines for the system thats already in place? That half point system may work in kickboxing where only strikes are being graded but I honestly don't see a flaw in the scoring system, I see a flaw in the people incorrectly applying it.

Farmer1906 wrote:

I think we need to ditch the judging by round system or start giving out more 10-10s, 10-8s and the occasional 10-7. That was it could be scored more accurately. We all saw Kampmann dominate the first. The next 2 were close (I have Kampmann) and obviously could have gone either way since there is this controversy. So why not score it like
R1 - 10-9 Kampmann
R2 - 10-10
R3 - 10-10
Final: Kampmann wins 30-29.

or

R1 - 10-8 Kampmann
R2 - 10-9 Diego
R3 - 10-9 Diego
Final: Draw

Both these outcomes seem more accurate than what the judges did who almost always stay on a rigid 10-9 scoring.

So, in other words...the fighter who does more wins? Interesting concept.

Ditch the whole system all together. It might make for less exciting decision announcements from Buffer but Kampmann-Diego would be an easy call if we went by who landed more effective shots, who controlled the actions, and who did the most damage throughout the fight. Obviously Kampmann landed more effective shots, obviously he controlled the action because if Diego was controlling the action the fight would have been on the mat, and damage was easy...the numbers just complicate something that the japs would've had no problem with and would've gotten right.

Ludo wrote:

How is adding the half point system going to improve judging when the judges already aren't fully applying the guidelines for the system thats already in place? That half point system may work in kickboxing where only strikes are being graded but I honestly don't see a flaw in the scoring system, I see a flaw in the people incorrectly applying it.

I think it would give the judges the freedom to discern a close rnd form a really close rnd, As well as discerning a completely dominant rnd from a clear winning, but not dominant rnd.

Currently I feel their is a stigma which keeps Judges from scoring rnds by wider margins. they hold too tight to the way fights have been scored historically. These guys cannot bring themselves to score a rnd 10-7

Stigma or not they are not using the system in place correctly. How are these same people to use a different system with more to it if they aren't even using a barebones type one now? Obviously training is an issue because we see this all over in all sorts of states with different athletic commissions, even other countries. Again, a new system doesn't seem to be the issue here. Personel does.

I had it 29-28 Kampmann. It was a great fight and Diego fought his ass off and weathered a huge storm by Kampmann.

Jamal wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

boomer sooner wrote:

Stuffing takedowns should count for more. I kind of figured that's how Machida won the first fight with Rua, by blocking his takedowns every round. I guess they didn't factor in this fight at all.

yup, agree with this

Why? You don't get points for blocking punches or power punches.

Octagon control.

Wow, 82% think Kampmann won.

Jamal wrote:

Wow, 82% think Kampmann won.

It tells u something