2010 tied for warmest on record.

yo global warming aint real, cause the bible say so.

we're gonna die!

that sign is fucking awesome wolf

the earth has been much warmer than this in ancient years. up to 5 degrees warmer than it was last year. And it had nothing to do with co2 levels then.

It's hard to say if the warming we're facing is man made or not. Here is the catch 22 -

Lots of things can contribute to a global warming pattern. It happens easier than people realize.

But, if this is true, then our own global actions can easily influence temperature.

everyone needs to understand what geoengineering is and realize that weather modification has been and is currently going on today.

They want us to believe that we are the sole reason that global warming is happening. It's all our fault. So that they can pass the carbon tax on us. Go ahead and google carbon tax. Thats how they keep 3rd world countries poor. We can't let them industrialize or global warming will happen even faster, or so they want us to think. So the UN passes CO2 restrictions on the poorest countries in the world so that they continue to live in extreme poverty and continue to have their natural resources bought up for pennies on the dollar by gigantic western corporations.

oggy420 wrote:

everyone needs to understand what geoengineering is and realize that weather modification has been and is currently going on today.

They want us to believe that we are the sole reason that global warming is happening. It's all our fault. So that they can pass the carbon tax on us. Go ahead and google carbon tax. Thats how they keep 3rd world countries poor. We can't let them industrialize or global warming will happen even faster, or so they want us to think. So the UN passes CO2 restrictions on the poorest countries in the world so that they continue to live in extreme poverty and continue to have their natural resources bought up for pennies on the dollar by gigantic western corporations.

conspiracy theories do abound.

And Jay-Z is behind it all. Just ya'll wait and see. I saw on some show he and beyonce spend over 25k in a weekend yacht trip on champagne ALONE. He's behind this, I can feel it in My bones.

Right now it is 21 degrees and windy as shit. Weather.com says it feels like 6 degrees. Ice all over the place right now. 20-30 mph winds all day.

Well it is true, in "ancient years", vague, the Earth's has seen warmer temperatures and higher CO2 levels, more so then what we're experiencing now. And both temp and CO2 levels will fluctuate over time, next year may see a slight drop from this year. The problem lies in the fact that during those "ancient times", lets say 10 million years ago, the Earth's temp and CO2 levels resulted in the planet being "ice free" and the sea level to be 350 ft higher then it is now. To put that in perspective, of the Earth's approx 6.5 billion people, about 4 billion live within a zone lower than 350 ft above the current sea level.

Everyone knows the world is only a few thousand years old, that's when God created it. So what "ancient years" are you guys talking about?

the devil put dinosaur fossil's here to test our faith. Duh....

oggy420 wrote:

the devil put dinosaur fossil's here to test our faith. Duh....

OHHHH now that would make alot of sense to me lol.

warmest year followed by the coldest winter in hundreds of years

Damn Jay Z!

Ludo wtf are you talking about? Just because he is a high degree free mason doesn't make him responsible for Global Warming.

You need to do more research then comeback.

The warm Arctic changes northern wind patterns and that allows the frequent, prolonged cold spells in North America and Europe.

I never made any inclination towards what was causing the cold weather.

But there was some point for posting, "warmest year followed by the coldest winter in hundreds of years". In a thread where you're trying to discredit GW. The current CO2 levels are the highest in 15 million years by the way, the planet was ice free then.

while were on the topic of doing research, here is some CO2 info for you

records of atmospheric CO2 levels since 1940 show a continuing increase, but during this period, global temperature decreased until 1975, and has increased since then.

at the end of the ancient ice age, increases in CO2 levels lagged (by over 100 years) behind temperature increases during glacial terminations.

if studying CO2 and temperature trends tells us anything, it is that carbon dioxide levels increase or decrease as a result of temperatures increasing or decreasing rather than temperatures following carbon dioxide levels, because as the global climate cools the Earth's oceans absorb carbon dioxide, and as the climate warms the oceans release carbon dioxide.

due to the very large mass of the world's oceans, it takes hundreds of years for global temperature changes to register in oceanic mass, which is why analysis of the Vostok Station and other ice cores shows that changes in the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide follow changes in global temperature by 800 years.

carbon dioxide comprises only a very minuscule amount—just 0.054% of the Earth's atmosphere. Human activity contributes much less than 1% of that, while plants and animals produce 150 gigatons of CO2 each year. Dying leaves produce even more CO2, and the oceans are "the biggest source of CO2 by far." Human activity produces a mere 6.5 gigatons of CO2 each year. Man-made CO2 emissions alone cannot be causing global warming.

Water vapour makes up 95% of all greenhouse gases and has the largest impact on the planet's temperature. Water particles in the form of clouds act to reflect incoming solar heat, but the effects of clouds cannot be accurately simulated by scientists attempting to predict future weather patterns and their effects on global warming.

And just because CO2 is really high right now doesn't mean that it is causing the climate change we are seeing. We just have to look at history to see that...

"The killer proof that CO2 does not drive climate is to be found during the Ordovician- Silurian and the Jurassic-Cretaceous periods when CO2 levels were greater than 4000 ppmv (parts per million by volume) and about 2000 ppmv respectively. If the IPCC theory is correct there should have been runaway greenhouse induced global warming during these periods but instead there was glaciation.

Well, we evolved during a very anomalous time when permanent ice caps appeared as a result of 1) CO2 drawdown via hydrolysis and dissolution of silicate minerals exposed in the rising Himalayas, and 2) changes in oceanic currents which move most of earth's equatorial heat when the volcanic province of central America closed the remaining vestiges of the equatorial Tethys's Sea. The position of the continents certainly helped mediate the climate, but it took more than that to cool the earth enough for permanent ice to form at the poles. Several important changes in the millions of years following the Cretaceous are responsible for this shift:

1. Mountain uplift. The Himalayas and the Tibetan Plateau in particular had a major impact on global cooling after the Cretaceous, forming as a result of the Indian subcontinent colliding into Asia. High mountains change prevailing wind and Jet Stream patterns, blocking warm and moist ocean air from reaching the interior of the continents.

2. Mountain-building and atmospheric carbon. When mountains uplift, they expose more rock to the air, allowing for greater rates of weathering. Carbon dioxide dissolved in rainwater reacts with minerals in rock, forming carbonates. These carbonates get washed to sea, where they settle to the sea-floor and are "trapped" from the atmosphere. The formation of mountains after the Cretaceous actually helped sequester carbon, lowering the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere!

3. The closing of the Isthmus of Panama. When North and South American were connected during the Great American Interchange, the tropical sea currents that connected the widening Atlantic with the Pacific were closed off. The Atlantic in particular cooled significantly, now that ocean currents were diverted from tropical warmth.

4. The opening of the Drake Passage. When South America and Antarctica finally broke apart, this allowed oceans to circulate the South Pole and created a new zone where cold oceanic deepwater is formed (deepwater is cold surface water that sinks to the deep ocean and helps drive oceanic conveyor belts).

The dinosaurs weren't the only part of our planet to disappear during the Cretaceous; temperatures were warmer, and carbon dioxide levels were greater than present, but these were due to a distinct set of characteristics that no longer exist on planet Earth. It took tens of millions of years for the current Earth system to evolve, and the system that has existed for the last 2.4 million years is dramatically different than the past. To compare the age of the dinosaurs to the modern climate system is ludicrous, but it betrays a common misunderstanding of the changing Earth system.

With the current pace of increase in CO2 levels, we're looking at a situation the Earth hasn't seen in 15 million years, where I say again, Earth was ice free. You my firend live in a zone where you'd find yourself under water.

One good thing would come of it though, most of China would find itself covered in water, so I guess you wouldn't have to worry about that anymore...

CO2 is CO2. The ONLY thing i am arguing here is that man made CO2 emissions are not the sole cause of Global Warming. THAT is ludicrous.

Not the sole cause but main one yes.

Next you'll tell me CFCs weren't responsible for the holes in the Ozone layer.

no i won't. I will tell you that man made CO2 is a very small part of climate change and can not be blamed as the sole or main reason of Global Warming. But hey, if you just want to go along with it then you can pay all the proposed Carbon taxes they want to pass