Birdofthad Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Misconception About Pacrase Worked Fights Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:25 pm | |
| Pretty much every credible fighter from the organization has stated there were some worked matches in Pancrase, but not many at all and they were in the early days of the company. There however, is a false belief that many if not all Pancrase fights were worked. Here are some quotes.
Pancrase has been erroneously accused of having many of their fights to be "worked", or predetermined. Prominent fighters within the organization such as Bas Rutten and Guy Mezger have adamantly claimed that these accusations are false
Mezger said: "There were not very many works (in Pancrase); maybe 4 or 5 total and most of them were before I was fighting for them. I hate when people say that there was so many works in Pancrase, they truly do not know what they are talking about."[1]
As suggested by Karl Gotch, Pancrase was formed by Funaki, Suzuki and Fuke, and the promotion would focus on pure shoot style wrestling with limited gimmicks and no predetermined outcomes.
Also, alot of people watch the old Pancrase fights and aren't familiar with the rules or style that Pancrase used at the time so they simply say oh thats an obvious work. Here are the rules that Pancrase used in 1993 when formed.
Aside from the traditional grappling rules (e.g., no biting, no eye-gouging) the rules were formerly as follows:
No elbows to the head (neither while standing nor on the ground). No closed-fist strikes to the head (neither while standing nor on the ground). No knees to the head on the ground. No kicks/stomps to the head on the ground. If a participant gets too close to the ropes, he is stood back up on the feet. (as opposed to PRIDE's recentering in the middle of the ring) Non-title matches consist of one 15 minute round, while title matches consist of one 30 minute round. If a participant is caught in a submission and taps out (whether unable to reach the ropes or not), it is a loss. Five "escapes" are given to each fighter at the start of every match. An escape can be used when caught in a submission near the ropes, in which case the participant can grab them, be stood back on the feet and have one point deducted. Once a participant has used all of his escapes, it is a loss. For knockouts, a ten-count similar to boxing and kickboxing is used. If the participant is unable to answer the ten-count, it is declared a TKO and that fighter has lost the match. However, if the participant is able to answer the ten-count, the fight resumes and one point is deducted. If, at the end of regulated time, neither fighter has submitted, been knocked out, or lost all their points, a decision is rendered based on who lost fewer points. If neither fighter lost any points, or both lost the same number of points, the fight is declared a draw. In the 1994 King of Pancrase tournament, the rules were slightly different, in that the first round had one 10 minute round and three rope escapes, and the finals had one 20 minute round with three rope escapes. For a short period of time when Bas Rutten was the King of Pancrase, heelhooks were banned because of the frequency of injuries.
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Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Misconception About Pacrase Worked Fights Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:27 pm | |
| They banned Bas's finisher because it was too dangerous. What a lovely pro wrestling angle. What fights were works in Pancrase? | |
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Birdofthad Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Ken shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Guy Mezger, Pete Williams, you get it Lions Den Posts : 17542 Join date : 2009-07-19 Age : 37 Location : D Town
| Subject: Re: Misconception About Pacrase Worked Fights Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:00 am | |
| no wolf they didn't ban Bas' trade mark, it says when Bas was champion they banned them cause of injuries. The boots made it easy to hook people.
I honestly dont know what fights were but Minori Suzuki vs Ken Shamrock is a rumored one
alot of people were claiming the Shamrock Matt Hume fight was in a post i made a while back | |
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Birdofthad Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Ken shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Guy Mezger, Pete Williams, you get it Lions Den Posts : 17542 Join date : 2009-07-19 Age : 37 Location : D Town
| Subject: Re: Misconception About Pacrase Worked Fights Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:07 am | |
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