Dana on Reem in top 10

Gonzaga is a great win.






























For me to poop on.

redvexx8 wrote:

Dana "dummy" White wrote:

Guys that fight the top guys in the top 10, three times a year in mixed martial arts – those are the guys that are ranked in the top 10.

Well that eliminates Lesnar and pretty much every other UFC HW from the top 10.

Kind of a cheap shot considering the illness. Brock did fight four times in a year in the beginning and then got Diverticulitis, not exactly dodging fights or anything or stalling for a check. People get hurt in sports, that is just the way it is and sometimes they get an illness that has nothing to do with sports. What do you do? You heal up then fight, pass, pitch, block. Nobody ever doubted Alonzo Mourning when he was ill, right?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

redvexx8 wrote:

Dana "dummy" White wrote:

Guys that fight the top guys in the top 10, three times a year in mixed martial arts – those are the guys that are ranked in the top 10.

Well that eliminates Lesnar and pretty much every other UFC HW from the top 10.

Kind of a cheap shot considering the illness. Brock did fight four times in a year in the beginning and then got Diverticulitis, not exactly dodging fights or anything or stalling for a check. People get hurt in sports, that is just the way it is and sometimes they get an illness that has nothing to do with sports. What do you do? You heal up then fight, pass, pitch, block. Nobody ever doubted Alonzo Mourning when he was ill, right?

When did Brock fight 4 times in a year?

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Does Fedor get leeway due to his injuries?

No fighter outside of the ufc has injuries, come on guys you know better than that

captain organic wrote:

LA wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Wolf is right on Reem, just like Brock and Carwin, getting big muscle points, as well as potential match up points

And I think Reem should get some props for his K-1 success. Guy has proven himself as a well rounded fighter, so to show very high level striking in K-1 is worthy of MMA cred.

Bunch of guys in the hwy top ten have shakey resume's, but when u look outside the top 10, its pretty clear they deserve to be there. Reem fits that bill.

They also have quality wins though, Reem has a win against Rogers (overrated as fuck) then a bunch of nothing at HW.

Carwin has a win over Mir(overrated as fuck) Gonzaga(no need for a comment) and then a bunch of nothing.

you mean mir = underated right. dude gets so much hate even though he has more wins over elite fighters compared to guys who are overrated like barnett,overeem and arlovksi. as for gonzaga, that was a good for him at that point in gonzagas career for gonzaga was a tougher more well rounded hw than cro cop was during his prime

Give me a break on Gabe, that guy has been getting KO'd since way back, heck werdum did it twice, before it was even in vogue to do so.

and Mir is the king of getting wins over shot out, or totally green fighters.

Never mind that Carwin has never met Dana's criteria of fighting 3 times a year while in the UFC.

captain organic wrote:

Give me a break on Gabe, that guy has been getting KO'd since way back, heck werdum did it twice, before it was even in vogue to do so.

and Mir is the king of getting wins over shot out, or totally green fighters.

Never mind that Carwin has never met Dana's criteria of fighting 3 times a year while in the UFC.

so you wouldnt count werdums wins over gabe as good ones. imo werdum showed heart and came back strong after gabe was sweeping him off his feet in their second match up. still up until his last fight all of gabes loses were against top hws. the same cant be said about other overated top hws. still before carwin only 2 people had finished gabe. and once again gabe was a better hw than a primed cro cop remember

also mir defeated timmy, timmy was a top hw when mir snapped his arm. i dont give him much props over lesnar because like you said he was green however nog wasnt green or shot. as i remember it was the same nog that would take beatings from cro cop and timmy to eventually pull off a sub. difference was mir actually had a good ground game and didnt allow himself to get pulled in nogs gaurd. remember nog was still in full prime and had just won the hws title months earlier after taking a 2 round beating from timmy. then after mir nog went onto look great against randy. a really game nog vs a really gamed randy. i can agree and say he was shot by the time he fought cain after pulling the win against randy in a tough fight but still was and is a top hw.

Nog was a staph zombie vs Mir.

But Carwin is just a counter example here. I actually like him as a fighter, (though just a bit of stamina would help) but let's not get all over Reem and his ranking while guys like Carwin are ranked higher then Reem, and a dude with 5 wins and who was just humiliated is ranked #2 on numerous sites.

captain organic wrote:

Nog was a staph zombie vs Mir.

But Carwin is just a counter example here. I actually like him as a fighter, (though just a bit of stamina would help) but let's not get all over Reem and his ranking while guys like Carwin are ranked higher then Reem, and a dude with 5 wins and who was just humiliated is ranked #2 on numerous sites.

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captain organic wrote:

Nog was a staph zombie vs Mir.

But Carwin is just a counter example here. I actually like him as a fighter, (though just a bit of stamina would help) but let's not get all over Reem and his ranking while guys like Carwin are ranked higher then Reem, and a dude with 5 wins and who was just humiliated is ranked #2 on numerous sites.

staph or not nog looked like the same nog that took a beating from cro cop and got dropped by timmy several times. in the end mir pulled the trigger and timmy and cro cop got subbed.

as for carwin, well he is a good fighter and the reason why he is ranked higher than overeem is cus he has faced tougher comp then overeem has in recent fights. as for brock being #2. i can see why some would rank werdum ahead of him but still he too has 3 wins in a row over top 5 hws and just lost to a guy ranked #4/5 coming into the fight were as fedor got subbed easily in a min and made a rookie mistake against a guy who was in the #9/10 spot. how many hws can say they have 3 wins in a row over top 5 comp like brock has. for that brock is one spot ahead of fedor and under werdum and cain in my book. will they stay in those spots? who knows but for now giving brock a spot in the top 5 is legit.

captain organic wrote:

LA wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Wolf is right on Reem, just like Brock and Carwin, getting big muscle points, as well as potential match up points

And I think Reem should get some props for his K-1 success. Guy has proven himself as a well rounded fighter, so to show very high level striking in K-1 is worthy of MMA cred.

Bunch of guys in the hwy top ten have shakey resume's, but when u look outside the top 10, its pretty clear they deserve to be there. Reem fits that bill.

They also have quality wins though, Reem has a win against Rogers (overrated as fuck) then a bunch of nothing at HW.

Carwin has a win over Mir(overrated as fuck) Gonzaga(no need for a comment) and then a bunch of nothing.

Well while Mir is overrated, he is still a much better fighter then Rogers, far more quality wins and simply more skilled. Rogers is like the Houston Alexander of the HW division.

Gonzo is not much different then Rogers, I'd put them on equal footing and say a motivated Gabe could beat Rogers by submission. Both guys have a big KO win, Gonzo's being a better highlight, but while Rogers has the fight against AA and then Fedor, he hasn't faced anyone else at all other then that, while Gonzo has been in there with multiple top HWs, maybe if Rogers had faced the strength of schedule Gabe has he'd be getting KO'd just the same. I'd take Schuab over Rogers if they were to fight, just throwin that in there.

The Reem strikes back.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/17/1819942/alistair-overeem-responds-to-dana-white-says-brock-lesnar-shouldnt-be

Dana White made comments about you not being ranked in the top 10, what’s your take on his comments.

Dana is entitled to his own opinion and has some valid arguments to claim his case but I don’t feel that they are that strong.

What do you think of those arguments he makes

You know, he’s claiming that I didn’t defeat anybody that’s in the top 10 so why should you rank me. That’s true but the fact of the matter is that I’m a very active fighter and you can see that I’m a different fighter then I was at 205lbs. I’m undefeated since 2008 when I became heavyweight and even more important I have finished all the fights in the first round but then again Dana is president of a company so he’s going to say stuff like that. To be honest it doesn’t bother me because I can make a good case for being in the top 10.

And what are your arguments for your case?

First of all he was telling that I didn’t fight anybody in the top 10, that’s not entirely true. When I defended my title against Brett Rogers, Rogers was considered top 10 after he defeated a former number 2 or 3 fighter Arlovski. I was not in the top 10 at the time and when I defeated Brett Rogers I enter the virtual rankings. Now everybody is saying that Brett Rogers shouldn’t have been in the top 10 in the first place but that’s the same as saying Brock doesn’t deserve a spot on number two. After what Cain did to Brock it’s silly to give Brock a top 5 spot, but that’s my opinion. He’s still a good fighter but having a 5-2 record and almost losing to Carwin and having wins over Herring, Couture and Mir (which he lost to as well) is not something that I’m very impressed about. I’m not going to call the media stupid like Dana but let me put it this way; how can a real M.M.A. insider put a Brock Lesnar above Fedor Emelianenko or even JDS. The fact of the matter is I like that people are debating the rankings but I don’t take them that seriously.

Why don’t you take them seriously?

You know when I heard that Brett Rogers was a top 10 fighter and I wasn’t ranked I thought he was the favorite going into the fight. Then a friend of my called and told me that he was going to bet on me but that I was the favorite and the odds where in my favor. So if the bookmakers don’t even use the ranking then you can say that they don’t mean that much. The same thing before the Brock vs Cain fight. I saw a preview article and most of the fans and other fighters thought that Cain was going to win the fight, that’s strange if the ranking put him number one and the organization calls him the ‘baddest man on the planet’.

If you can make the ranking yourself what does the ranking look like?

I’m not going to make my own top 10 because that will create just more room for the debate and that’s not necessary. People have to define first which criteria comes into play when creating a ranking system. Some people use only their last fight and what opposition they have fought. Other people look at skill set, talent, way of fighting and popularity. Now people tend to use both criteria and therefore you have ranking that can be heavily debated. That’s why Dana White is saying that I don’t belong in the top 10 because he doesn’t take into account my K-1 fights and doesn’t think that beating one top 10 fighter is good enough for entering the ranking. On the other hand you have Bas Rutten that says that I’m the number one heavyweight in the world. He uses my experience, potential, skill set and the way I finished fights against opposition that is not considered top 10. He also knows that my striking is improved very much and therefore uses my K-1 experience. So let’s say that the truth is somewhere in the middle. I’m fully aware that I have to prove myself, I know I can defeat anybody so it’s my job to prove it to my fans and to my doubters.

What do you think of Dana’s claim that the best fighters fight in the UFC and fight each other 3 times a year?

It’s not strange that Dana is making such a claim but if he really thinks that his heavyweight division is the best in the world he should let 5 heavyweights of the UFC fight 5 heavyweights from Strikeforce otherwise he can’t never justify his claim that UFC has the best heavyweights in the world. My opinion in this one is that Strikeforce have a good chance of winning. They tried it when Pride was there so it’s not something new. If Strikeforce is going to have tournament format they should reserve a spot for a UFC fighter, that would be awesome. About the fact that they fight each other 3 times a year, I can only say that he has a valid point but Strikeforce is a young organization and give them the time to prove themselves. They have a great roster of fighters so I’m confident that they will make the fights happen very soon. I’m ready to fight 2 or 3 times in 2011!

Obviously there is the potential roid issue, but aside from that Reem is a great ambassador for the sport. Thought out, polite, articulate.

Now hopefully he comes threw with those 2011 fights.

Great ambassador that didn't defend a Title for 2 years and grew exponentially in the last however many.

LA wrote:

Great ambassador that didn't defend a Title for 2 years and grew exponentially in the last however many.

a)exponentially? 30 lb weight gain?

b)Old and tired refrain on the 2 year, there was no one to fight for 1.5 years of it.

captain organic wrote:

LA wrote:

Great ambassador that didn't defend a Title for 2 years and grew exponentially in the last however many.

a)exponentially? 30 lb weight gain?

b)Old and tired refrain on the 2 year, there was no one to fight for 1.5 years of it.

LA, how many pound did Mir gain in less than 6 months? you cant use that argument when theres more to it than we know

I put on 25lbs in the last 7 months maybe myself, but never seen someone grow like this

Heck i think Reem used ped's, in this era of sports I think most big strong guys did, like Mir, Brock, Carwin.

However lets not go overboard on Reem's weight gain. Dude was 21, and cutting weight to make 205. Prob weighed 220-225 on fight night. At 30 he fights at 255.

captain organic wrote:

Heck i think Reem used ped's, in this era of sports I think most big strong guys did, like Mir, Brock, Carwin.

However lets not go overboard on Reem's weight gain. Dude was 21, and cutting weight to make 205. Prob weighed 220-225 on fight night. At 30 he fights at 255.

thats what im saying!!! its so hard for them to fathom this, all these UFC dudes are clean of coarse!!!

sarcasm

LA wrote:

I put on 25lbs in the last 7 months maybe myself, but never seen someone grow like this

HES A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE!!! its his job to be big

It's more then weight gain, it's the look of the body and muscles, not to mention increase in head size.

man, cuz you surely measure his size... BTW im not doubting that he took PEDs, im just saying that he gets a bad rap as one of the few that does em... and you got mir gaining 30 pounds in 6 months like its nothing, at age 30!!!

I don't know based on age how that works, but I added 25 in basically the same anount of time. And watching Reem for years you can just look at before and after, it's Barry Bonds-esque.

LA wrote:

I don't know based on age how that works, but I added 25 in basically the same anount of time. And watching Reem for years you can just look at before and after, it's Barry Bonds-esque.

was barry bonds cutting 25 pounds to make the 205 limit? his natural growth aided by work out would yield the same muscle if he stopped cutting down so much weight

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