Is Alistair Overeem on steroids right now IYHO?

Lol, nice bump OU.

you dont gain 70 lbs of muscle in 6 years on protein shakes.

War Reem

SOKO wrote:

you dont gain 70 lbs of muscle in 6 years on protein shakes.

No you can build 70lbs of muscle in 6 years on a good diet and the right workout regiment. It's not unheard of for an athlete to put on 18lbs of muscle in a year. I'm not saying he wasn't juicing, but it's not like he ballooned up 30lbs in six months. He went from cutting to 205lbs in 2003 and gets bigger as the next few years go on until he's cutting to 265 in 2007.

You can't say he wasn't juicing because he was. We now have confirmation.

I think he is talking a little about all of the people who say a man cannot be ripped like Reem without using drugs.

I'm not saying he wasn't juicing. I'm saying it is entirely possible, especially for an athlete who already adheres to a diet and workout regiment as part of the day to day, to build 70lbs of muscle in 4-5 years.

Ludo wrote:

I'm not saying he wasn't juicing. I'm saying it is entirely possible, especially for an athlete who already adheres to a diet and workout regiment as part of the day to day, to build 70lbs of muscle in 4-5 years.

Do you have any examples of athletes that have done that where you have zero reason to believe they ever used roids?

Is he on them now? No , but he is tearin the PCT up

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

I'm not saying he wasn't juicing. I'm saying it is entirely possible, especially for an athlete who already adheres to a diet and workout regiment as part of the day to day, to build 70lbs of muscle in 4-5 years.

Do you have any examples of athletes that have done that where you have zero reason to believe they ever used roids?

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/03/detroit_lions_nick_fairley_flo.html

As far as I know Nick Fairley hasn't ever popped a piss test, but was arrested in Alabama for possession of marijuana. The article says he broke his foot early into or just before training camp and so he hit the weight room. 18lbs of muscle in 3-4 months. I'm sure not ALL of it is muscle but it's in the ballpark.

Some of the freak athletes that come to mind that haven't been linked to roids(that I know of). Some guys that aren't freakishly big but still have extremely musclar bodies are Vernon Davis, Adrian Peterson, Peyton Hillis and Ben Wallace. Just a couple that come to mind.

Laron Landruy makes Reem look like a little girl.

Larry Allen makes Landry look like a girly mawn.

Hershel Walker? Fucking freak of nature.

Thomas Jones

Vernon Gholston

Ludo wrote:

I'm not saying he wasn't juicing. I'm saying it is entirely possible, especially for an athlete who already adheres to a diet and workout regiment as part of the day to day, to build 70lbs of muscle in 4-5 years.

With Ludo here. And more to his point is that he did not put on 70 lbs. A very hard cut in 2004 puts him near 230. If he is now 270, that's 40 lbs in 4 years. Not crazy.

Def think Reem was/is juicing. But I base that more on the look of his physique and the times we live in, not necessarily the weight gain, which again, does not seem unreasonable.