Is President Obama Popular in the States?

Birdofthad wrote:

But I'm afraid he's too stubborn to work with "The enemy" and will continue to force his agenda down our throats...

seriously???

What about that statement do I need to explain?

captain organic wrote:

Obama, and his popularity, suffer(and it is suffering) because of a couple things

The biggest reason being the right wing media went into 100% attack mode the moment he, and all the other dems who unseated repubs, went into office. Read LTFG's post for examples of the rhetoric(the whole he's a bumbling idiot without a teleprompter is total bunk). I mean those guys are always in attack mode, but they went all out insane clown posse on Obama.

Cappy, I think you're confusing me for a righty on the attack. "Those guys"? I simply gave a personal insight. I have seen the guy off the cuff a half dozen times over the last 90 days and each and every time he hasn't come off much more eloquent than Bush. Hell, even Chris Matthews has made comment on it. These things don't start themselves you know...

And I have MUCH bigger issues with this President that I voted for than his inability to speak without a teleprompter...

soonermark890 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

But I'm afraid he's too stubborn to work with "The enemy" and will continue to force his agenda down our throats...

seriously???

Some of the best governments we have ever had was when one party was in control of the legislative branch and the other in control of the executive. So lets all just hope they do things for the people and not fight all the time.

Ding, ding, ding... We have a winner.

Obama is like 50 cent. Everyone bought his album, but if hard pressed would anyone in retrospect say he is a good or talented musician? The herd, is a powerful, disturbing, dangerous thing.

Look, you people are looking at the wrong details and at things the wrong way. Step back. Take a deep breath and clear your minds. Good. Do it once more.

Obama is not a bad person, in fact he is an idealistic genius. I truly believe that, regardless of what I may say. However, like most Dems and even Reps, there is an issue. By "pushing" and agenda, what is the real gain long term? Short term thinking is for shit-filled butt pirates, I am talking what do you give up long term, to gain right now?

Health care: The positive is you get a more widespread acceptance for "everyone" (Everyone who is not wealthy or an important U.S. Government official) in the system. In other words "Fair". Doctors get paid less, everybody waits the same amount of time, etc. The unfortunate result is eventually, you get doctors and nurses, who care less. Why should they care more when they garner larger debts but get paid the same as a postman? When you figure that one out, you are a genius!

See? The big picture.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Look, you people are looking at the wrong details and at things the wrong way. Step back. Take a deep breath and clear your minds. Good. Do it once more.

Obama is not a bad person, in fact he is an idealistic genius. I truly believe that, regardless of what I may say. However, like most Dems and even Reps, there is an issue. By "pushing" and agenda, what is the real gain long term? Short term thinking is for shit-filled butt pirates, I am talking what do you give up long term, to gain right now?

Health care: The positive is you get a more widespread acceptance for "everyone" (Everyone who is not wealthy or an important U.S. Government official) in the system. In other words "Fair". Doctors get paid less, everybody waits the same amount of time, etc. The unfortunate result is eventually, you get doctors and nurses, who care less. Why should they care more when they garner larger debts but get paid the same as a postman? When you figure that one out, you are a genius!

See? The big picture.

That is quite the blanket statement. And just so it's clear, when did the country change to where the "American Dream" is now guaranteed???? I guess I don't get why people feel they are owed free health care and free day care, etc. I've worked in restaurants over 15 years and the first 10 never had healthcare. My place got closed and I'm out of work but I don't cry victim. I could have gotten a degree in something that made sense instead of working but I didn't, my fuck up not yours so why should you support me?

Believe me, I'm not trying to attack you I'm just curious.

No, sir. Please don't attack me. I am completely on your side. When HIV/AIDS/The Gay Black Plague of the 80's hit, nobody was sure what to do. A few, very expensive drugs came out, everybody got safe, supposedly, and the pandemic was staved off. As things progressed, the prices came down, the drugs got better and Magic Johnson is living proof. Motherfucker has been positive for 20 years and looks great. Now everyone in America, only a quarter century later barely suffers from HIV/AIDS. So I do not complain. I embrace. I live in the greatest country in the world and 32 of the best rated hospitals in the world back me up.

The new health care legislation cut Doctor and nurses pay? no. another example of right wing "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric gone wild.

and while we may say "f the guy not smart enough to have insurance" it still falls on the hospital to care for the patient if need be. Insurance or not, $$$ or not, a dude with a broken arm enters the ER and the hospital has to care for him.

Part of the health care bill was to force everyone to have health insurance. If u didn't have it b4, u must get it now. They tried to get illegals in on it, in part imo, to force them to pay their way, but politics shut this down.

This sounds more then a bit obtrusive by the gov't, but it is very much a pragmatic solution, certainly not some "idealist" pie in the sky thinking.

Gdp that was funny ass hell hahaha

Well let us see Captain. Since they (the government) have state insurance commissioners, and they get stipends from the federal government based on performance, therefore control doctor pay, then yes, I am saying that! Only a fool would not see that. Medicare/medicaid? You are right, regardless, they get medical care, so why was the government trying to get involved? The only reason is a "superior decision" on life and death. Whatever one considers the Dems, they have a long range plan that is not beneficial to my line (descendants). So why should I help them out?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Well let us see Captain. Since they (the government) have state insurance commissioners, and they get stipends from the federal government based on performance, therefore control doctor pay, then yes, I am saying that! Only a fool would not see that. Medicare/medicaid? You are right, regardless, they get medical care, so why was the government trying to get involved? The only reason is a "superior decision" on life and death. Whatever one considers the Dems, they have a long range plan that is not beneficial to my line (descendants). So why should I help them out?

The hospitals obligation to care for a patient has zero to do with a Gov't program.

And your controlling doctor pay argument is still bunk, the effect of the state insurance commissioners effects a super small % of doctors, and even where it does, it is minimal at best..

And your "Doctors will be paid the same as a postman" is yet another example of off the wall right wing rhetoric.

Obamacare is about control. If it was just about affordable healthcare then why not let the insurers compete across state lines. I like how it bars insurers from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions but that could be done without Government control of healthcare.

Plus it will cost way more than they told us of course

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/cbo-health-care-bill-will-cost-115-billion-more-than-previously-assessed.html

" the Obama administration itself released an analysis confirming that the new law actually increases Americans’ health care costs. "

Plus what about the 400,000 jobs it was suppose to create. Pelosi said “It’s about jobs. In its life, it will create 4 million jobs – 400,000 jobs almost instantly.”

Where are these jobs at?

And Obama was all about saying you wouldn't lose your coverage because of Obamacare saying

"There's nothing in the bill that says you have to change the health insurance you've got right now. If you were already getting health insurance on your job, then that doesn't change."

Yet hours before he uttered that line, the Boston Globe reported that Harvard Pilgrim Health Care was canceling its Medicare Advantage coverage specifically because of new regulations imposed by Obama's health care law.

captain organic wrote:

The new health care legislation cut Doctor and nurses pay? no. another example of right wing "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric gone wild.

and while we may say "f the guy not smart enough to have insurance" it still falls on the hospital to care for the patient if need be. Insurance or not, $$$ or not, a dude with a broken arm enters the ER and the hospital has to care for him.

Part of the health care bill was to force everyone to have health insurance. If u didn't have it b4, u must get it now. They tried to get illegals in on it, in part imo, to force them to pay their way, but politics shut this down.

This sounds more then a bit obtrusive by the gov't, but it is very much a pragmatic solution, certainly not some "idealist" pie in the sky thinking.

What will happen if Obamacare goes through in its current form is anyone's guess. Rumors are there that college kids thinking of becoming physicians or nurses will drop off dramatically due to the government control and a drop-off in perspective earnings. My closest friend is a physician (Head of family practice) and tells me that it looks like he and his doctors are embracing for a 15-20% hit due to the many restrictions under the law. My wife who is in administration is telling me that doctors that are in a postion to do so are telling her that they will take an early retirement. Again, it's anyone's guess what the ultimate effect will be, but being very close to those that will be effected I can tell you that they are PISSED and very nervous about their futures.

From a personal point of view... The government already has their grubby hands in too much of our lives. Forcing this on the citizens not only borders on being unconstitutional, but oversteps their bounds in the opinions of the vast majority of this country. I know there's a group of people in this country that don't think that they can survive and function without full government intervention, but that's a polar opposite of the ideals that this country was founded on. This piece of legislation played a very big part in America stepping up on Tuesday bringing balance back to the government!

Good thing the newly elected's are going to do all they can to bring the country down again. No more jobs, no more recovery, no more empowering of citizens over special interests, no more tax cuts for the middle class and small business, no more small business stimulus, no more health care empowerment for consumers. No to them because they are Obama's Agenda.

Thank science we getting rid of all that crap and are returning to the agenda that got us to the problems those items meant to address. I was really getting worried there for minute.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Good thing the newly elected's are going to do all they can to bring the country down again. No more jobs, no more recovery, no more empowering of citizens over special interests, no more tax cuts for the middle class and small business, no more small business stimulus, no more health care empowerment for consumers. No to them because they are Obama's Agenda.

Thank science we getting rid of all that crap and are returning to the agenda that got us to the problems those items meant to address. I was really getting worried there for minute.

I'll just tackle that one...are you referring to personal special interests or special interest groups? Either way that statement is flawed.

Special interests = agenda's and every politician has them.

Obama is supposed to be a constitutional law expert but he is not a defender of free speech mainly due to the effects of SIG...IMO.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

His race is going to work against him. People elected him because he was black but that reality will now work against him. That isn't racist really, just screwed up.

Don't you think at that point any Democrat stood a great chance? The backlash against Republicans IMO played just as much of a factor as race.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Good thing the newly elected's are going to do all they can to bring the country down again. No more jobs, no more recovery, no more empowering of citizens over special interests, no more tax cuts for the middle class and small business, no more small business stimulus, no more health care empowerment for consumers. No to them because they are Obama's Agenda.

Thank science we getting rid of all that crap and are returning to the agenda that got us to the problems those items meant to address. I was really getting worried there for minute.

Oh yeah them dems are all about empowering citizens over special interests Are you for real?


Uh and tax cuts, the gop just had to talk the dems into extending the tax cuts for the middle class,


And anything you said with the word stimulus in it yeah we don't want cause stimulus means spend more and increase debt, exactly what we don't need.

The kind with an agenda that uses every opportunity to undermine tangible benefits to everyday people like myself in the name of profit protection for the 1% exclusively.

Wow... How many on here are running a "small business", or business of any kind?

I can tell you from VAST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I have gotten shit from this administration in the way of helping me to keep my head above water. If I hadn't planned ahead, I would be defunct just as 75% of all businesses in my line of work have become here in the last 18 months. This administration keeps talking and the trickle down seems to be stopping short of hitting the true small business owners. People can read and believe all they want when this administration is talking, but unless you are in "our" shoes, you need to step back from talking for "us". I have owned various businesses over the last 20+ years and I have never had a time worse than this. Someone who's sold on this agenda can go tell the nearly 100 people I've had to lay off how good of a job they have done.

LTFG wrote:

Wow... How many on here are running a "small business", or business of any kind?

I can tell you from VAST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I have gotten shit from this administration in the way of helping me to keep my head above water. If I hadn't planned ahead, I would be defunct just as 75% of all businesses in my line of work have become here in the last 18 months. This administration keeps talking and the trickle down seems to be stopping short of hitting the true small business owners. People can read and believe all they want when this administration is talking, but unless you are in "our" shoes, you need to step back from talking for "us". I have owned various businesses over the last 20+ years and I have never had a time worse than this. Someone who's sold on this agenda can go tell the nearly 100 people I've had to lay off how good of a job they have done.

You blame the the reclamation or the creator.

MMAEYES wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Good thing the newly elected's are going to do all they can to bring the country down again. No more jobs, no more recovery, no more empowering of citizens over special interests, no more tax cuts for the middle class and small business, no more small business stimulus, no more health care empowerment for consumers. No to them because they are Obama's Agenda.

Thank science we getting rid of all that crap and are returning to the agenda that got us to the problems those items meant to address. I was really getting worried there for minute.

Oh yeah them dems are all about empowering citizens over special interests Are you for real?


Uh and tax cuts, the gop just had to talk the dems into extending the tax cuts for the middle class,


And anything you said with the word stimulus in it yeah we don't want cause stimulus means spend more and increase debt, exactly what we don't need.

Stimulus is working in states where there was leadership with the foresight to use it. TARP is not stimulus, ARRA is. It has only started to move and produced results that will be an asset to recovery for a while.

GDPofDRC wrote:

LTFG wrote:

Wow... How many on here are running a "small business", or business of any kind?

I can tell you from VAST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I have gotten shit from this administration in the way of helping me to keep my head above water. If I hadn't planned ahead, I would be defunct just as 75% of all businesses in my line of work have become here in the last 18 months. This administration keeps talking and the trickle down seems to be stopping short of hitting the true small business owners. People can read and believe all they want when this administration is talking, but unless you are in "our" shoes, you need to step back from talking for "us". I have owned various businesses over the last 20+ years and I have never had a time worse than this. Someone who's sold on this agenda can go tell the nearly 100 people I've had to lay off how good of a job they have done.

You blame the the reclamation or the creator.

I blame the ineffectiveness of this administration to put into action any policies that are working for the people that they are claiming to be going to bat for...

And yesterday they announced that they are going to be printing upwards of a trillion dollars to buy up more bonds over the next year in an effort to "stimulate" things again. Short term the effect will lower interest rates (Which are already at their lowest rates in decades but doing nothing to stimulate growth), keep the government from having to borrow more money from China and keep them from having to nail the people with more taxes. But ultimately it means they will be able to run the government which is going at a negative 75-100 million a month and over the next 12-18 months will likely skyrocket inflation, weaken the dollar and continue to do little to really help where we need it the most in the jobs market. This administration just can't seem to get out of its own way and it's really frustrating to watch...