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30,000 gun deaths in america per year with rising mass shootings.

DOesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out we have a problem

Birdofthad wrote:

30,000 gun deaths in america per year with rising mass shootings.

DOesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out we have a problem

In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. 83 in mass shootings.



should we also censor right to speak of crimes? like in your raps?

so because not all 30,000 people died in a mass shooting you dont care that they died from a gun shot?
I just dont get this do nothing attitude about one of the biggest problems facing our society, shits about to change whether yall like it or not, when Bush won by 3 million he acted like he had a mandate and so did the republican party.
Obama just won by 5 million, did ya see Biden today?

Birdofthad wrote:

so because not all 30,000 people died in a mass shooting you dont care that they died from a gun shot?
I just dont get this do nothing attitude about one of the biggest problems facing our society, shits about to change whether yall like it or not, when Bush won by 3 million he acted like he had a mandate and so did the republican party.
Obama just won by 5 million, did ya see Biden today?

If you could tell me how many homicides or assaults are done with illegal guns that would be a start to obtaining any form of validity to your point. Do you know how many crimes are thwarted or do not happen because of guns?

fun fact bird more people were poisoned in 2012 than fire arm related deaths. and it wasnt even close
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

you would think with all the education you are getting you would ahh nevermind

Cu Bu wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

30,000 gun deaths in america per year with rising mass shootings.

DOesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out we have a problem

In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. 83 in mass shootings.



should we also censor right to speak of crimes? like in your raps?

looks like more students gunned down today, down by my area...

sad shit

Woman thwarted a burglary with her gun the other day.

Also saw there are 100k new NRA members.

311 Americans
3 million NRA

not even close to majority buddy

Nobody said it was. However it towers over anti gun group.

assault weapons are a 12 billion dollar industry for the NRA

wake up they dont care about people being murdered by these weapons, its all about money.
They have fooled morons into believing a 30+ clip is an civil liberty

Birdofthad wrote:

assault weapons are a 12 billion dollar industry for the NRA

wake up they dont care about people being murdered by these weapons, its all about money.
They have fooled morons into believing a 30+ clip is an civil liberty

having a car isnt a civil liberty either but many more people die at that hands of automobiles than guns.


drugs poison and kill more people every year than guns, no more medications

swimming pools cause drownings average 3,500 from 05-09 a year thats 3,450 more than those who die at the hand of guns that hold 30 rd clips. quick ban swimming

In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: “In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.

The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

Besides, Omer Bartov, a historian at Brown University who studies the Third Reich, notes that the Jews probably wouldn’t have had much success fighting back. “Just imagine the Jews of Germany exercising the right to bear arms and fighting the SA, SS and the Wehrmacht. The [Russian] Red Army lost 7 million men fighting the Wehrmacht, despite its tanks and planes and artillery. The Jews with pistols and shotguns would have done better?” he told Salon.

Proponents of the theory sometimes point to the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising as evidence that, as Fox News’ Judge Andrew Napolitano put it, “those able to hold onto their arms and their basic right to self-defense were much more successful in resisting the Nazi genocide.” But as the Tablet’s Michael Moynihan points out, Napolitano’s history (curiously based on a citation of work by French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson) is a bit off. In reality, only about 20 Germans were killed, while some 13,000 Jews were massacred. The remaining 50,000 who survived were promptly sent off to concentration camps.

Robert Spitzer, a political scientist who studies gun politics and chairs the political science department at SUNY Cortland, told Mother Jones’ Gavin Aronsen that the prohibition on Jewish gun ownership was merely a symptom, not the problem itself. “[It] wasn’t the defining moment that marked the beginning of the end for Jewish people in Germany. It was because they were persecuted, were deprived of all of their rights, and they were a minority group,” he explained.

Meanwhile, much of the Hitler myth is based on an infamous quote falsely attributed to the Fuhrer, which extols the virtue of gun control:

This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

The quote has been widely reproduced in blog posts and opinion columns about gun control, but it’s “probably a fraud and was likely never uttered,” according to Harcourt. “This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date often given [1935] has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been any need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect,” researchers at the useful website GunCite note.

“As for Stalin,” Bartov continued, “the very idea of either gun control or the freedom to bear arms would have been absurd to him. His regime used violence on a vast scale, provided arms to thugs of all descriptions, and stripped not guns but any human image from those it declared to be its enemies. And then, when it needed them, as in WWII, it took millions of men out of the Gulags, trained and armed them and sent them to fight Hitler, only to send back the few survivors into the camps if they uttered any criticism of the regime.”

Bartov added that this misreading of history is not only intellectually dishonest, but also dangerous. “I happen to have been a combat soldier and officer in the Israeli Defense Forces and I know what these assault rifles can do,” he said in an email.

He continued: “Their assertion that they need these guns to protect themselves from the government — as supposedly the Jews would have done against the Hitler regime — means not only that they are innocent of any knowledge and understanding of the past, but also that they are consciously or not imbued with the type of fascist or Bolshevik thinking that they can turn against a democratically elected government, indeed turn their guns on it, just because they don’t like its policies, its ideology, or the color, race and origin of its leaders.”

sorry Oggy you have your history wrong
not a huge shock

....
seriously?
What is it that you think you've proved?

You can literally go down the list of Governments that disarmed their people through gun control laws, and then murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Ottoman Turkey - 1915-1917
Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866 & 1911 Proclamation, 1915
• Permits required •Government list of owners •Ban on possession
1 - 1.5 Million Armenian civilians murdered (mostly christian)

Soviet Union - 1929-1945
Resolutions, 1918, Decree, July 12, 1920 Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926
•Licensing of owners •Ban on possession •Severe penalties
20 Million civilians murdered (mostly political opponents and farming communities)

Nazi Germany and Occupied Europe - 1933-1945
Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928 - Weapon Law, March 18, 1938 - Regulations against Jews, 1938
•Registration & Licensing •Stricter handgun laws •Ban on possession
20 Million civilians murdered (Jews, Gypsies, Political opponents and critics)

Nationalist China - 1927-1949
Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914 - Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935
•Government permit system •Ban on private ownership
10 Million civilians murdered (political opponents, others)

Red China - 1949-1952 - 1957-1960 - 1966-1976
Act of Feb. 20, 1951 - Act of Oct. 22, 1957
•Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
20-35 Million civilians murdered (political opponents, enemies of the state, rural farmers)

Guatemala - 1960-1981
Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932 - Decree 386, 1947 - Decree 283, 1964
•Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees •Prohibit carrying guns •Bans on guns, sharp tools
•Confiscation powers
100 to 200,000 civilians murdered (Mayans & other indians, political enemies)

Uganda - 1971-1979
Firearms Ordinance, 1955 - Firearms Act, 1970
•Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions •Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers
300,000 civilians murdered (Christians, political opponents)

Cambodia - 1975-1979
Art. 322-328, Penal Code - Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
•Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions •Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly
2 Million civilians murdered (higher educated people, political enemies)

Rwanda - 1994
Decree-Law No. 12, 1979
•Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
800,000 civilians murdered (Tutsi people)
Consider the case of Rwanda in 1994, when hundreds of thousands were killed with knives and farm implements. In one instance, a single gun left by a departing soldier was used to protect 5500 people for a full week.

170,000,000 That's the number of civilians that have been murdered by their own governments in the 20th century alone. 170,000,000 men, women, and children who were defenseless to protect themselves.

The founding fathers who wrote the constituion wrote the 2nd amendment because they knew that 'governmnet' by nature wants to gain power over it's people and control them. The Constitutuion was supposed to be a strict guideline to restrain the powers of governmnet from getting too great.

They knew that the process of rendering citizens defenseless is what allows dictatorships to come into power.

Most sensible people innately understand the argument: A disarmed populace is easier to control.

Professor R.J. Rummel, one of the world's top authorities on genocide, said: "Concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth."

He estimates that governments murdered 170,000,000 people in the 20th century. That amount averages more than the terrorist death toll of September 11, 2001 - every day for 100 years.

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Cu Bu wrote:

Cu Bu wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

30,000 gun deaths in america per year with rising mass shootings.

DOesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out we have a problem

In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. 83 in mass shootings.



should we also censor right to speak of crimes? like in your raps?

facts are still facts
bird

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Cu Bu wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

assault weapons are a 12 billion dollar industry for the NRA

wake up they dont care about people being murdered by these weapons, its all about money.
They have fooled morons into believing a 30+ clip is an civil liberty

having a car isnt a civil liberty either but many more people die at that hands of automobiles than guns.


drugs poison and kill more people every year than guns, no more medications

swimming pools cause drownings average 3,500 from 05-09 a year thats 3,450 more than those who die at the hand of guns that hold 30 rd clips. quick ban swimming

12 billion dollars huh with fees,licenses and taxes that means the government gets a nice little sum from gun owners and gun manufacturers and retailers

hey dick head the NRA is the one protecting assault weapons

OPEN YOUR EYES

Birdofthad wrote:

hey dick head the NRA is the one protecting assault weapons

OPEN YOUR EYES

lol dickhead huh? nice articulate response. What are you even talking about anymore?

check the facts, I am more than 3 times as likely to die in a drowning or poisoning than by a fire arm. So while it is a concern, it isnt the huge deal some make it out to be.

Obama: Some Gun Control Measures 'I Can Accomplish Through Executive Action'

"I'm confident that there are some steps that we can take that don't require legislation and that are within my authority as president."