Who wins these fights?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Heavyweight= Cain Velasquez vs Fedor Emelianenko - way to better with the hands on the feet and fights a lot more often.

Light-Heavyweight= Jon Jones vs Anderson Silva - He is the best
Middleweight= Vitor Belfort vs Nate Marquardt - Way to smart to get into a stand up fight

Welterweight= Thiago Alves vs Carlos Condit - better than most think

Lightweight= Kenny Florian vs Jose Aldo - To much aggression and has a better stand up game.

Did you just say that Cain is way better with his hands then Fedor?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Heavyweight= Cain Velasquez vs Fedor Emelianenko - way to better with the hands on the feet and fights a lot more often.

Light-Heavyweight= Jon Jones vs Anderson Silva - He is the best
Middleweight= Vitor Belfort vs Nate Marquardt - Way to smart to get into a stand up fight

Welterweight= Thiago Alves vs Carlos Condit - better than most think

Lightweight= Kenny Florian vs Jose Aldo - To much aggression and has a better stand up game.

Did you just say that Cain is way better with his hands then Fedor?

I believe he did and after seeing cain in his last 2 fights i agree cain is better. not way better but just better. remember cain has one of the highest striking percentages in hw in the division

I'll bet on a Fedor right hand over any UFC wrestler.

I honestly think Cain is the worst matchup for Fedor of any HW ever

Cain is not better than Fedor.

He doesn't have better wrestling, wait he does
He isn't quicker, wait he is
He isn't more athleitic, nope he is there too
Ah he doesn't have more power, actually he does
Not better stamina, no he's got that
How about size, that too
Striking, much closer then you'd think
Subs? finally a nice advatage for Fedor

People make too much of the legacy, things are changing and fast

Fedor has better striking, Sambo, BJJ, power and experience. He's fought wars while Cain hasn't. Fedor is the GOAT while Cain has 8 fights. Fedor wins.

LA, there is a belt to put in your Sig if you want. Mantis made 1 for us.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Fedor has better striking, Sambo, BJJ, power and experience. He's fought wars while Cain hasn't. Fedor is the GOAT while Cain has 8 fights. Fedor wins.

Most of the edges actually go to Cain as I pointed out, and stop thinking legacy, things change and change fast.

freakzilla, fedor is an all time great but ur really not seein the picture here. Sure cain hasnt been through wars, he is that good. Imo fedor will beat werdum in a rematch but before that fight fedor took damage from his previous two opponents of whom are no longer even considered as top comp. If wanna live in the past and compare power and skill look at how both cain and fedor did in their last 2 matches

throwdownfight1 wrote:

freakzilla, fedor is an all time great but ur really not seein the picture here. Sure cain hasnt been through wars, he is that good. Imo fedor will beat werdum in a rematch but before that fight fedor took damage from his previous two opponents of whom are no longer even considered as top comp. If wanna live in the past and compare power and skill look at how both cain and fedor did in their last 2 matches

Look at who they were fighting as well. Andrei Arlovski was on a 5 fight win streak when he met Fedor. Cain was fighting Ben Rothwell. Bret Rodgers was recognized as a heavy handed fighter who lived up to that in the first minute when he busted Fedor's nose. Cain was fighting a shell of a Minotauro. If we're going to go apples and apples on it we have to look at where these opponents were at the time of the fight. Arlovski was top 3, Rothwell was not in the top 10. Rodgers was I believe ranked 7th or so, Minotauro ranked 8th-9th or lower.

AA is talented but completely fallen off the map since then, Rodgers is nothing, never understood why anyone thought he was any good, Rothwell is a much better HW.

That matchup isn't about playing MMath, it's more about looking at the matchup, that's a tough ass fight for Fedor.

Well ludo, on the same story just look at their last fight then. Fedor lost to a guy who was ranked #10 while cain beat the guy who was ranked #1. In the end it doesnt really matter. Some fighters belong in the top ten some dont. Some get there and stay the by beating second string guys and having 3+ wins streaks while others chose to fight the best win or lose fight after fight. AA and rogers wer these guys. Also nog was not a former version of himself in his 2 ufc loses. He looked just like he did against crop cop in their match up. Took punishment at first only to come back and pull off the win. The difference was that he lost to better fighters. Before mir he had just won the belt in the exact same form he beat crop cop in and befor cain he had just dominted a gamed relentless randy that sent the natural back to lhw. In the end nog might of been older than before but he was just as skilled and proud as before

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Well ludo, on the same story just look at their last fight then. Fedor lost to a guy who was ranked #10 while cain beat the guy who was ranked #1. In the end it doesnt really matter. Some fighters belong in the top ten some dont. Some get there and stay the by beating second string guys and having 3+ wins streaks while others chose to fight the best win or lose fight after fight. AA and rogers wer these guys. Also nog was not a former version of himself in his 2 ufc loses. He looked just like he did against crop cop in their match up. Took punishment at first only to come back and pull off the win. The difference was that he lost to better fighters. Before mir he had just won the belt in the exact same form he beat crop cop in and befor cain he had just dominted a gamed relentless randy that sent the natural back to lhw. In the end nog might of been older than before but he was just as skilled and proud as before

In the end it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. However, to argue that based simply on the way these two fighters' last three fights have gone that it is any indication as to how they would fare against each other is ridiculous. Cain still hasn't fought anyone with the kind of skillset and experience that Fedor has. Fedor has yet to face a wrestler with the kind of gas tank and striking style that Cain has(Coleman never was a great striker, neither was Randleman).

To say Arlovski didn't deserve to be ranked where he was at the time is going a bit too far. Guy went on a tear after losing to Sylvia and started knocking out every opponent not named Werdum until he jumped into the ghost of Ivan Drago.

"Before Mir" was over two and a half years ago, and since then he has only looked good against Couture who immediately dropped to Light Heavyweight afterward. He has been unable to stay healthy and it would appear as though his ability to take massive amounts of damage has finally caught up with him ala Chuck Liddell.

LA your UFC and Dana nut hugging is becoming comical.

LA wrote:

He doesn't have better wrestling, wait he does
He isn't quicker, wait he is
He isn't more athleitic, nope he is there too
Ah he doesn't have more power, actually he does
Not better stamina, no he's got that
How about size, that too
Striking, much closer then you'd think
Subs? finally a nice advatage for Fedor

People make too much of the legacy, things are changing and fast

Lots of speculation in here. Look LA, I knew about Cain while you were still babbling like a retard about Brock's superpowers and had written Cain off entirely. I get you're on the band wagon now, and I even saved a place for you here, but slow down a little bit will ya?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

LA your UFC and Dana nut hugging is becoming comical.

LOL Everything you say is comical, but I'll give you a break because Rogan probably told you to say this.

And nothing to do with nuthuggin, just about looking at the matchup and saying who I think will win, I'll take my ability to do that over anyone in here.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA wrote:

He doesn't have better wrestling, wait he does
He isn't quicker, wait he is
He isn't more athleitic, nope he is there too
Ah he doesn't have more power, actually he does
Not better stamina, no he's got that
How about size, that too
Striking, much closer then you'd think
Subs? finally a nice advatage for Fedor

People make too much of the legacy, things are changing and fast

Lots of speculation in here. Look LA, I knew about Cain while you were still babbling like a retard about Brock's superpowers and had written Cain off entirely. I get you're on the band wagon now, and I even saved a place for you here, but slow down a little bit will ya?

Band Wagon? Huh? Everything I wrote about Brock/Cain was about how I simply thought Brock would win but def thought Cain could aswell, I had Brock, Cain and Carwin in my who beats who rankings above everyone.

No need to slow down, Cain is a horrible matchup for Fedor.