A Legacy of Failure: Brock Lesnar Must Combat Both History and Cain Velasquez

If Brock Lesnar wins next weekend against rising star Cain Velasquez, he will become the most successful heavyweight champion in UFC history. That says less about Lesnar, who is beyond dispute a beast of a man with the potential to be among the greats, and more about the sad, small history of the UFC's heavyweight champions over the years.

Since Mark Coleman was crowned champion back at UFC 12, nine of the men who held gold failed to successfully defend their prize a single time. Six others were able to defend the belt just one time. Only two other men, Randy Couture and Tim Sylvia, dispatched a pair of challengers during a single title reign before falling victim to the next big thing.

Lesnar has successfully defended the title he won from Randy Couture twice. His battle with Cain Velasquez will be his third title defense. A win separates Lesnar from the pack and makes him the greatest champion the division has ever known -inside the hallowed confines of the Octagon.

Full article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/12/1747088/a-legacy-of-failure-brock-lesnar-must-combat-both-history-and-cain

If Lesnar wins he becomes the most successful lousy fighter ever.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

If Lesnar wins he becomes the most successful lousy fighter ever.

I can't believe what I am reading from Wolf. It is brocking crazy!

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

If Lesnar wins he becomes the most successful lousy fighter ever.

I can't believe what I am reading from Wolf. It is brocking crazy!

+1 funny guy!

You can't have it both ways, you can't talk up Cain then say if Brock beats him he's a lousy fighter. he is hwat he is, and he uses it to his advantage.


On the article, interesting, but I wouldn't say it's a flag against the history of the UFC's HW division, for all we know Brock may end up being one of the best HWs in history.

That IS the flag against HW...

If goes through Carwin, Cain, and then JDS like it or not he is probably a top 10 HW of all time. He would have survived a murderers row of fighters that all pose different styles and strengths and if he survives it would be hard to not call him the number 1 HW in the world right now.

If he beats Cain then JDS he will be the best UFC HW ever without a doubt and he'd be top 3 HW ever.

If he keeps running through fighters in his division and some of the ones they will eventually bring in, he will easily be the 2nd best HW of all time. If they somehow manage to bring Fedor in and he beats him too? He will be considered the best.

Wolf, you can keep hating the guy all you want, but it is like when you talked up the dogs that Fedor beat man. You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously. Cain is a legit threat. JDS is a legit threat. HMC was not a legit threat, nor was Grim. Brock Lesnar has the skills to be in this sport and to dominate his division, just because he is a former WWE star or says stupid shit from time to time doesn't mean he can be discounted.

Beating Fedor wouldn't make him the best ever. Fedor is a little past his prime.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

If he keeps running through fighters in his division and some of the ones they will eventually bring in, he will easily be the 2nd best HW of all time. If they somehow manage to bring Fedor in and he beats him too? He will be considered the best.

Wolf, you can keep hating the guy all you want, but it is like when you talked up the dogs that Fedor beat man. You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously. Cain is a legit threat. JDS is a legit threat. HMC was not a legit threat, nor was Grim. Brock Lesnar has the skills to be in this sport and to dominate his division, just because he is a former WWE star or says stupid shit from time to time doesn't mean he can be discounted.

Why was Grim not a legit threat? at the time of the fights, Grim was a bigger threat then Randy.

captain organic wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

If he keeps running through fighters in his division and some of the ones they will eventually bring in, he will easily be the 2nd best HW of all time. If they somehow manage to bring Fedor in and he beats him too? He will be considered the best.

Wolf, you can keep hating the guy all you want, but it is like when you talked up the dogs that Fedor beat man. You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously. Cain is a legit threat. JDS is a legit threat. HMC was not a legit threat, nor was Grim. Brock Lesnar has the skills to be in this sport and to dominate his division, just because he is a former WWE star or says stupid shit from time to time doesn't mean he can be discounted.

Why was Grim not a legit threat? at the time of the fights, Grim was a bigger threat then Randy.

WTF?! He had one fight against one name opponent who can't win a decent fight anymore. At what point was he a legit threat? I mean at that point so is Todd Duffee, if you go with the punchers chance theory, but in skillset, Fedor wasn't worried and knew going into it that he would win.

As for Fedor being over the hill? Umm, I think Lesnar is older or around the same age. So how is he over the hill?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

If he keeps running through fighters in his division and some of the ones they will eventually bring in, he will easily be the 2nd best HW of all time. If they somehow manage to bring Fedor in and he beats him too? He will be considered the best.

Wolf, you can keep hating the guy all you want, but it is like when you talked up the dogs that Fedor beat man. You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously. Cain is a legit threat. JDS is a legit threat. HMC was not a legit threat, nor was Grim. Brock Lesnar has the skills to be in this sport and to dominate his division, just because he is a former WWE star or says stupid shit from time to time doesn't mean he can be discounted.

Why was Grim not a legit threat? at the time of the fights, Grim was a bigger threat then Randy.

WTF?! He had one fight against one name opponent who can't win a decent fight anymore. At what point was he a legit threat? I mean at that point so is Todd Duffee, if you go with the punchers chance theory, but in skillset, Fedor wasn't worried and knew going into it that he would win.

As for Fedor being over the hill? Umm, I think Lesnar is older or around the same age. So how is he over the hill?

umm, fedor has 35 fights while lesnar has a whopping 6!!! no way in hell can you compare their age

Age has nothing to do with it when the fight experience is that wide. Big Nog is 34 but look how worn out his body is. Brock is still basically a rookie and has taken only 1 beating.

OU wrote:

haha, 2 birds with one stone on that one huh?

haha yep, you know it

I think to many of you discount the wear and tear on the body of a Pro-wrestler. Now I am not claiming they take full hits or that it is real. But you perform pro-wrestling for a 30 day period in the WWE and you wrestle 7-9 times a week! That is 28-36 matches which include wrestling with injuries. Sprains, bruises, cuts, chair shots, etc. that shit takes a toll and you still have to get up and perform that night. So he has had plenty of wear & tear.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I think to many of you discount the wear and tear on the body of a Pro-wrestler. Now I am not claiming they take full hits or that it is real. But you perform pro-wrestling for a 30 day period in the WWE and you wrestle 7-9 times a week! That is 28-36 matches which include wrestling with injuries. Sprains, bruises, cuts, chair shots, etc. that shit takes a toll and you still have to get up and perform that night. So he has had plenty of wear & tear.

yea and you are discounting PEDs...

DAMMIT KOC, I forgot about that.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I think to many of you discount the wear and tear on the body of a Pro-wrestler. Now I am not claiming they take full hits or that it is real. But you perform pro-wrestling for a 30 day period in the WWE and you wrestle 7-9 times a week! That is 28-36 matches which include wrestling with injuries. Sprains, bruises, cuts, chair shots, etc. that shit takes a toll and you still have to get up and perform that night. So he has had plenty of wear & tear.

How do they wrestle 9 times a week? They wrestle a maximum of 4-5.

Because Freak they usually do an afternoon show locally. A school, a fair, a mall, etc. all part of the "pump the locals up" thing. In Duane "The Rock" Johnson's book, he one time had 3 matches in one day, even though he go hurt, he still wrestles. Besides, if you ever have a chance to get bodyslammed in the ring by a pro, it fucking hurts! I don't give a shit what anybody says, it is no joke and doesn't feel well. The "fall" of the bodyslam is designed so you can avoid major injury and serious trauma, they didn't say it doesn't hurt.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Because Freak they usually do an afternoon show locally. A school, a fair, a mall, etc. all part of the "pump the locals up" thing. In Duane "The Rock" Johnson's book, he one time had 3 matches in one day, even though he go hurt, he still wrestles. Besides, if you ever have a chance to get bodyslammed in the ring by a pro, it fucking hurts! I don't give a shit what anybody says, it is no joke and doesn't feel well. The "fall" of the bodyslam is designed so you can avoid major injury and serious trauma, they didn't say it doesn't hurt.

they put a lot of stress on those bodies, pro wrestling is one fucked up occupation man, fuck that

Still, 61 year old Ric Flair and 57 year old Hogan have had wrestling matches. Couldn't do that in any REAL sport.

OU wrote:

Still, 61 year old Ric Flair and 57 year old Hogan have had wrestling matches. Couldn't do that in any REAL sport.

seeing those 2 shirtless is disgusting!