What does SF not renewing with CBS mean for MMA?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA wrote:

They signed deals with Vs. to continure that relationship is what I said, this was around the time Comcast was completing it's takedover of NBC, what I said was that they could have just not resigned, moved the WEC over to Spike and it wouldn't have been a big deal, who are they afraid of going to Vs.? SF isn't going there, Bellator? It's strategic to keep that relationship close incase they want to make a deal to get on NBC if you ask me, that's why when Vs. wanted UFC cards on their station they said fine.

I've heard all this before. And to me it rings of internet blog assbabble.

It makes too much sense, there is no fear of any Org going to Vs.

Ya what makes you believe that. Firstly there are always new orgs shopping for TV deals, second Bellator is a season to season deal and is looking for something better. You just assume that because, who knows.

What I said is why, and Bellator wouldn't be a big hit moving there, I love Bellator but they woud do worse in the ratings then the WEC.

LTFG wrote:

captain organic wrote:

LTFG wrote:

Talks are dead. Coker says he'll revisit next year. My thoughts are if they don't get a deal done (CBS has the power pointing to the incident as being a huge negative), does anyone else stand a chance?

link?

Sorry, took me a second...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12841&zoneid=13

Still not seeing that talks are dead, only that there will be no CBS aired fights through the end of 2010, which I figured was the case. CBS is waiting on Overeem(or maybe Fedor Barnett), and SF will stack that card when it's time.

OU no chance of SF on Fox(or NBC or CBS). Showtime and CBS are part of a family of networks, that is a hand in hand deal.

I completely expect sometime in the near future for either ESPN/ABC or NBC to get a contract done with the UFC. They would do it just to fuck with their competition during sweeps or major events. They would never do it during the Superbowl or the BCS Championship, but during the NBA Finals, the World Series or even during a major day of the Olympics they would certainly do it.

I also see a future for TUF to move over to ESPN and that will start putting the nails in coffins of other shows and competition. Whether the geezers who still tout baseball as legit on TV like it or not, they have under performed against the UFC and SF when they have events opposite of them, with the exceptio of a major rivalry, like the Yankees/Red Sox.

Ya andrew? Is that what you believe? Your opinion is valuable.

Thanks Wolf...I think your tongue is stuck in your cheek however.

LA wrote:

What I said is why, and Bellator wouldn't be a big hit moving there, I love Bellator but they woud do worse in the ratings then the WEC.

Maybe, maybe not. But u could be sure if WEC left Vs, then Bellator would jump right in. Much better deal there then on FSN.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I completely expect sometime in the near future for either ESPN/ABC or NBC to get a contract done with the UFC. They would do it just to fuck with their competition during sweeps or major events. They would never do it during the Superbowl or the BCS Championship, but during the NBA Finals, the World Series or even during a major day of the Olympics they would certainly do it.

I also see a future for TUF to move over to ESPN and that will start putting the nails in coffins of other shows and competition. Whether the geezers who still tout baseball as legit on TV like it or not, they have under performed against the UFC and SF when they have events opposite of them, with the exceptio of a major rivalry, like the Yankees/Red Sox.

what do u think the ratio is in terms of TV viewers for MLB vs MMA in any given calender year?

My guess is it's at least 50-1.

captain organic wrote:

LTFG wrote:

captain organic wrote:

LTFG wrote:

Talks are dead. Coker says he'll revisit next year. My thoughts are if they don't get a deal done (CBS has the power pointing to the incident as being a huge negative), does anyone else stand a chance?

link?

Sorry, took me a second...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12841&zoneid=13

Still not seeing that talks are dead, only that there will be no CBS aired fights through the end of 2010, which I figured was the case. CBS is waiting on Overeem(or maybe Fedor Barnett), and SF will stack that card when it's time.

Cappy, Coker didn't say the exact words, "talks are dead right now". But you are able to get the message he's sending here, right? CBS has ZERO plans to air any other fights until the two sides sit down and have talks.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker didn’t comment on the particulars on Saturday night following Diaz vs. Noons II, but he did confirm that CBS is still on ice and will remain so for the remainder of the year.

“CBS is something that we're going to revisit at the beginning of next year,” said Coker.

He deflected talk away from any friction between the promotion and CBS, saying, “We're working on a couple of things with them, one being the DVD. We're working on another type of product with them, as well as getting back on the air next year, but it definitely is shelved until 2011.”

Go read the series of topics related to this over the last couple of months. CBS lost big on that card and now they're acting like they'd be happy to completely pull the plug. Coker's taking time to regroup and try to come up with pitches to get back on track. If they're not even talking right now, we won't see Strikeforce on CBS for at least the first few months of the year even if they come to an accord. My point of the thread was that it's a big IF right now...

If SF's HWs were available this wouldn't be the case. SF will be back on CBS. No worries.

UFC will be on NBC in 2012. So say the rumor mill on some site?

The UFC will never out compete MMA on networks. The UFC is a PPV company. The UFC isn't an MMA promoter in that sense. They are a PPV company that promotes MMA. Tomorrow the UFC could promote wrestling or boxing and do it relatively well.

PPV is where the money is anyways

I still say the UFC gets on NBC in the next couple years though, it'll be some deal to put 2 cards on Vs. still per year and get like 3-4 on NBC.

LA wrote:

PPV is where the money is anyways

I still say the UFC gets on NBC in the next couple years though, it'll be some deal to put 2 cards on Vs. still per year and get like 3-4 on NBC.

I agree!!

LTFG wrote:

captain organic wrote:

LTFG wrote:

captain organic wrote:

LTFG wrote:

Talks are dead. Coker says he'll revisit next year. My thoughts are if they don't get a deal done (CBS has the power pointing to the incident as being a huge negative), does anyone else stand a chance?

link?

Sorry, took me a second...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12841&zoneid=13

Still not seeing that talks are dead, only that there will be no CBS aired fights through the end of 2010, which I figured was the case. CBS is waiting on Overeem(or maybe Fedor Barnett), and SF will stack that card when it's time.

Cappy, Coker didn't say the exact words, "talks are dead right now". But you are able to get the message he's sending here, right? CBS has ZERO plans to air any other fights until the two sides sit down and have talks.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker didn’t comment on the particulars on Saturday night following Diaz vs. Noons II, but he did confirm that CBS is still on ice and will remain so for the remainder of the year.

“CBS is something that we're going to revisit at the beginning of next year,” said Coker.

He deflected talk away from any friction between the promotion and CBS, saying, “We're working on a couple of things with them, one being the DVD. We're working on another type of product with them, as well as getting back on the air next year, but it definitely is shelved until 2011.”

Go read the series of topics related to this over the last couple of months. CBS lost big on that card and now they're acting like they'd be happy to completely pull the plug. Coker's taking time to regroup and try to come up with pitches to get back on track. If they're not even talking right now, we won't see Strikeforce on CBS for at least the first few months of the year even if they come to an accord. My point of the thread was that it's a big IF right now...

LTFG there is a huge difference between, "we won't have another CBS show this year, but we are looking fwd to one in 2011" and
"What does SF not renewing with CBS mean for MMA? " and "talks are dead."

captain organic wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I completely expect sometime in the near future for either ESPN/ABC or NBC to get a contract done with the UFC. They would do it just to fuck with their competition during sweeps or major events. They would never do it during the Superbowl or the BCS Championship, but during the NBA Finals, the World Series or even during a major day of the Olympics they would certainly do it.

I also see a future for TUF to move over to ESPN and that will start putting the nails in coffins of other shows and competition. Whether the geezers who still tout baseball as legit on TV like it or not, they have under performed against the UFC and SF when they have events opposite of them, with the exceptio of a major rivalry, like the Yankees/Red Sox.

what do u think the ratio is in terms of TV viewers for MLB vs MMA in any given calender year?

My guess is it's at least 50-1.

Captain, when they had UFC Live on Versus 2, it did a .9/12 share versus a baseball game on ESPN which did a .8/8. That isn't me, that is Colin Cowherd who works for ESPN and has access to all the numbers. Jim Rome said something similar not long after wards. If baseball can't get viewers, with all the people who have access to their channel, plus get beaten by a channel with a minute following, what do you think that says? In addition, let me point out that TV companies figure there are 5 viewers for every Major PPV purchase and do not include bars, restaurants and other viewing establishments for their total tally. If the UFC does 1 million buys, that is 5 million viewers, which on a Saturday night equals a 2.5/8. Now translate that into monies and the UFC is nearing a standard Yankees/Red Sox regular season game of 3.2/13. The difference? People actually shell out money to watch our sport from home, so why wouldn't they take the dive and buy into the UFC?

im not saying ESPN won't, or shouldn't get into the MMA business, but ur post was saying something along the lines of people don't watch mlb on TV. and while they may not have great nat'l #'s for a regular season game, u can bet that if u take all 30 something teams, and tally the # of viewers from each regional broadcast, the total # of viewers in a given night is huge.

But would a big UFC card draw more viewers on a saturday night in august then a Dodger Giant game? probably.

Baseball has a million games a year. The comparisons are not that valid.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Baseball has a million games a year. The comparisons are not that valid.

2,592 regular season games.

Well it really comes down to the old argument. Me and 99 people walk out of the store, a baseball game breaks out on the left and a fight on the right. Which do you watch first?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Well it really comes down to the old argument. Me and 99 people walk out of the store, a baseball game breaks out on the left and a fight on the right. Which do you watch first?

end of the day, Im guessing MLB gets 5 billion(2500 games times 200,000 viewers per(which is a very low ball estimate)) views on an annual basis. How many viewers does MMA get? 75 million?