The vacant 168lb WBC trinket will be on the line for Froch vs Abe

isn't the whole point of the Super 6 to determine who the best in the division is? i can see Froch's logic, you work your whole career to become a World Champion, he wants that accoldae again. it improves marketability and when the history books are written it is something that can never be taken away from him, whether we agree at the time about the validity of the title or not. i agree with Diego, as far as World Title fights go in the modern day, Froch vs Abraham carries far much more credibility than most of the other alphabet trinket mismatches we are subjected to.

dbudge87 wrote:

isn't the whole point of the Super 6 to determine who the best in the division is? i can see Froch's logic, you work your whole career to become a World Champion, he wants that accoldae again. it improves marketability and when the history books are written it is something that can never be taken away from him, whether we agree at the time about the validity of the title or not. i agree with Diego, as far as World Title fights go in the modern day, Froch vs Abraham carries far much more credibility than most of the other alphabet trinket mismatches we are subjected to.

jeebuz THAT is now the standard?????????

come on Marble mate, you know there have been far worse match-ups in alphabet title history. this is common place in the game today!!! Pacquiao vs Margarito is for a title and Pacquiao has never fought at the weight, it's happening 3lbs under the limit for that division and Margarito become the number 1 ranked guy by beating some feather duster salesman after being suspended for 12 months after getting KO'd in 9 rounds and having been a career Welterweight!! Whether Froch vs Abraham is for a title or not doesn't really matter to be honest, it's going to be a great fight (hopefully) and the winner's next bout will basically be for the lineal Title. I'm a sick as the sanctioning bodies as everybody else is, i see their titles as a piece in an auction that goes to the highest bidder. i think Sauerland want it to be for the title as it helps sell the fight to the European audience. Boxing is a business and multiple World titles is part of that and it's not like it's a new development. i can see Froch's beef because when you work hard for something regardless of how other people value that thing, it becomes extremely meaningful to that person. Froch is a fighter, in his eyes he didn't lose that fight with Kessler and believes that title belongs to him. do you get what i'm saying or not my Maui brethren

dbudge87 wrote:

come on Marble mate, you know there have been far worse match-ups in alphabet title history. this is common place in the game today!!! Pacquiao vs Margarito is for a title and Pacquiao has never fought at the weight, it's happening 3lbs under the limit for that division and Margarito become the number 1 ranked guy by beating some feather duster salesman after being suspended for 12 months after getting KO'd in 9 rounds and having been a career Welterweight!! Whether Froch vs Abraham is for a title or not doesn't really matter to be honest, it's going to be a great fight (hopefully) and the winner's next bout will basically be for the lineal Title. I'm a sick as the sanctioning bodies as everybody else is, i see their titles as a piece in an auction that goes to the highest bidder. i think Sauerland want it to be for the title as it helps sell the fight to the European audience. Boxing is a business and multiple World titles is part of that and it's not like it's a new development. i can see Froch's beef because when you work hard for something regardless of how other people value that thing, it becomes extremely meaningful to that person. Froch is a fighter, in his eyes he didn't lose that fight with Kessler and believes that title belongs to him. do you get what i'm saying or not my Maui brethren

My point is the notion that these titles mean ANYTHING EVER damages what JMM and Wonjonkam and Sergio, the REAL champions, have accomplished and thereby damaging the sport.

I get what you're saying, but I think defending Froch perpetuates the problem. Promoters market fights this way because fans (yes, like you mate...I love that word) accept it!

I've said this before. In Ray Robinson's day there were a TOTAL of 88 ranked fighters. Today there are 88 strapholders! In that context why are these straps meaning ful in the least?

dbudge87 wrote:

come on Marble mate, you know there have been far worse match-ups in alphabet title history. this is common place in the game today!!! Pacquiao vs Margarito is for a title and Pacquiao has never fought at the weight, it's happening 3lbs under the limit for that division and Margarito become the number 1 ranked guy by beating some feather duster salesman after being suspended for 12 months after getting KO'd in 9 rounds and having been a career Welterweight!! Whether Froch vs Abraham is for a title or not doesn't really matter to be honest, it's going to be a great fight (hopefully) and the winner's next bout will basically be for the lineal Title. I'm a sick as the sanctioning bodies as everybody else is, i see their titles as a piece in an auction that goes to the highest bidder. i think Sauerland want it to be for the title as it helps sell the fight to the European audience. Boxing is a business and multiple World titles is part of that and it's not like it's a new development. i can see Froch's beef because when you work hard for something regardless of how other people value that thing, it becomes extremely meaningful to that person. Froch is a fighter, in his eyes he didn't lose that fight with Kessler and believes that title belongs to him. do you get what i'm saying or not my Maui brethren

They're all for the birds. Fuck the straps. Ward beat the top ranked guy in the division who then beat Froch. If you ask me Froch is in third place behind Ward and kessler. Kesslers hurt so Froch moves to second followed by Dirrell followed by Abe. Froch and Abe will work it out who deserves the winner of Ward and Dirrell. Once the winners fight each other then we will have a true champ.

hey i'm not saying their trinket is meaningful at all. i find it quite disrespectful to myself that you make the comments edging towards me being a naive fan. i know that the concept of their being 4 World titles in 1 weight class is a joke and damaging to the sport in terms of the level of competition. the fact is though, boxing as a business can not survive anymore solely on the basis of die hard boxing fans. it needs to captivate the larger, more general audience in order for it to be successful and using a marketing ploy such as selling a fight as a World Title fight is something that the sport requires to be successful when there is so much competition nowadays with regards to the product that they are selling, which is sporting competition. take for instance a laundry detergent company, in their adverts they say it's their new formula better than before, if you want your clothes to be cleaned properly you have to have this product. well selling a fight as a World Title fight is just doing exactly the same thing as that. at the end of the day, Fighters have to make money and they have to sell themselves, they get the promoters to do that by hyping them up as "World Champion" or whatever. fighters fight for a prize at the end of the day, not legacy. legacy comes with greatness and there will always be greats. the concept has just changed from Contender status to holding an alphabet title. as a die hard fan yourself you shouldn't let what has been part and parcel of the sport for the last 2 decades bother you. i'd rather see these 2 guys fight for a World title then claim somebody as the greatest of their generation when they cherry pick who they fight once or twice a year

and you make the point of Sugar Ray Robinson fighting and only 88 fighters were ranked, do you not think it has anything to do with the fact that the World is getting bigger? more media, more coverage etc etc

dbudge87 wrote:

and you make the point of Sugar Ray Robinson fighting and only 88 fighters were ranked, do you not think it has anything to do with the fact that the World is getting bigger? more media, more coverage etc etc

We have HALF as many fighters as we used to. HALF! Boxers no longer appear on national TV or on the covers of magazines. The boxing world has SHRUNK!

dbudge87 wrote:

hey i'm not saying their trinket is meaningful at all. i find it quite disrespectful to myself that you make the comments edging towards me being a naive fan. i know that the concept of their being 4 World titles in 1 weight class is a joke and damaging to the sport in terms of the level of competition. the fact is though, boxing as a business can not survive anymore solely on the basis of die hard boxing fans. it needs to captivate the larger, more general audience in order for it to be successful and using a marketing ploy such as selling a fight as a World Title fight is something that the sport requires to be successful when there is so much competition nowadays with regards to the product that they are selling, which is sporting competition. take for instance a laundry detergent company, in their adverts they say it's their new formula better than before, if you want your clothes to be cleaned properly you have to have this product. well selling a fight as a World Title fight is just doing exactly the same thing as that. at the end of the day, Fighters have to make money and they have to sell themselves, they get the promoters to do that by hyping them up as "World Champion" or whatever. fighters fight for a prize at the end of the day, not legacy. legacy comes with greatness and there will always be greats. the concept has just changed from Contender status to holding an alphabet title. as a die hard fan yourself you shouldn't let what has been part and parcel of the sport for the last 2 decades bother you. i'd rather see these 2 guys fight for a World title then claim somebody as the greatest of their generation when they cherry pick who they fight once or twice a year

First point on the bold. I thought the MATE I threw in there was kind of like a wink. Sorry if I came off as otherwise.

To the point. The REASON (or one of them) that boxing doesn't have more casual fans is the trinkets make it HARDER for them to distinguish between top fighters and almost top fighters and makes it harder to figure out what are truly big fights. These belts DILUTE the concept of champions. Having eight or ten CHAMPIONS allows the casual fan to know immediately who the top dogs are, to remember their names and to know immediately what are big fights and what aren't. Such knowledge is IMPOSSIBLE with 88, heck even with 44 strapholders. For the casual fan it creates an inpenetrable fog.

Me? I know enough to never need a third party's view on a champion. You do too. But the current approach doesn't help either the sport or the casual fan. It hurts both.

the boxing World has shrunk because people aren't fighting to feed their families anymore. Fighters were hungry back in the day, a lot had to fight because they had no choice. the World is full of more luxuries now, we have much more advantageous lifestyles. why would you want to struggle in a sport where nothign is guaranteed when you could go to college and become a lawyer and be earning $100,000 a year all off state funding. we have welfare systems now, there are also other sports where the damage risk is lower and rewards are much greater for athletically gifted fighters. in todays commercial environment the sport doesn't survive as a business with 8 divisions and 8 World titles. times change and things move on, only the strongest suvive and those who can adapt. Boxing is adapting to it's environment. the fact is that Boxing is not mainstream anymore either. it has to crossover to the casual fan, instead of Boxing on a Saturday night on terrestrial television we now have Dancing with the Stars, or X factor. the World has changed Marble. Boxing is just doing what it has to do to survive. We know who the real champions are, the best from the rest so it shouldn't bother you who has what title. At the end of the day Froch vs Abraham will face off and Ward and Dirrell will face off, the winners of each will then face eachother to prove who is the best. that's what you want right, for the best to fight the best to prove who is the best? i don't think Froch or Abraham are the best in the division till otherwise either, WBC strap or not, but the fight is happening in Helsinski between an Armenian based German and an Englishman, the promoters have got to do what they got to do to sell it. If you was awarded an accolade that came through your proudest moment and then somebody took that from you, would you not want that back?? that is my point regarding Froch. i'm not saying that the Sport is in a better or worse situation than it was "back in the day" but i'm just saying that i can see why these fights are billed as World Title fights

dbudge87 wrote:

the boxing World has shrunk because people aren't fighting to feed their families anymore. Fighters were hungry back in the day, a lot had to fight because they had no choice. the World is full of more luxuries now, we have much more advantageous lifestyles. why would you want to struggle in a sport where nothign is guaranteed when you could go to college and become a lawyer and be earning $100,000 a year all off state funding. we have welfare systems now, there are also other sports where the damage risk is lower and rewards are much greater for athletically gifted fighters. in todays commercial environment the sport doesn't survive as a business with 8 divisions and 8 World titles. times change and things move on, only the strongest suvive and those who can adapt. Boxing is adapting to it's environment. the fact is that Boxing is not mainstream anymore either. it has to crossover to the casual fan, instead of Boxing on a Saturday night on terrestrial television we now have Dancing with the Stars, or X factor. the World has changed Marble. Boxing is just doing what it has to do to survive. We know who the real champions are, the best from the rest so it shouldn't bother you who has what title. At the end of the day Froch vs Abraham will face off and Ward and Dirrell will face off, the winners of each will then face eachother to prove who is the best. that's what you want right, for the best to fight the best to prove who is the best? i don't think Froch or Abraham are the best in the division till otherwise either, WBC strap or not, but the fight is happening in Helsinski between an Armenian based German and an Englishman, the promoters have got to do what they got to do to sell it. If you was awarded an accolade that came through your proudest moment and then somebody took that from you, would you not want that back?? that is my point regarding Froch. i'm not saying that the Sport is in a better or worse situation than it was "back in the day" but i'm just saying that i can see why these fights are billed as World Title fights

I agree with all the points why the sport has shrunk. My point is boxing is doing things that are damaging it. The sport is making BAD choices. I take accolades for what they are worth. I played small college football where we won three league titles and I was an All-American. Not for a SECOND did I EVER think either of those accolades meant very much. Why? Because D-I All Americans were far superior players to me (not even close) and because the worst D-I team would have beaten us 50-0.

What boxing has done is take the simplest and most understandable of games, king of the hill, created eleven hills for everyplace there used to be one, and are trying to sell the idea that being king of the hill carries the same cache and accomplishment as it used to. The better way is to put EVERYTHING in terms of the real champion and to relentlessly honor that title. Then you know a fight between the #1 and #2 ranked contenders is meaningful. Who needs straps?

Im with Marble on this, there is no sense in giving these trinkets ANY value

Try explaining this (WBC strap) to anyone not a fan of the sport

but the problem is already in place, the system of four major sanctioning bodies awaring out a title each in 17 separate divisions. the system has been for for a while now and in order to change that it would require one massive organization to come along and have the funds and infrastructure to replace them four systems with one ranking systems covering all the elements in the equation. that organization would also have to be self-sustainable and guarantee fighters purses. it would take all of the promoters out of the equation and employ their own promotion and marketing team to give the fights/fighters exposure. the fighters would still need managers and trainers but the organization could ensure that the fighters would only get paid to fight the fights that they required. then you would still have a system where they'd have to challenge for a higher ranking and then defend that ranking then challenge for a higher ranking and so on. the organization would probably have to rely on only a couple of TV networks, that they have contractual obligations to, to get their exposure so it would be hard to hype up a fight between number 5th ranked guy from denmark vs number 4th ranked guy from argentina. the way i see it is that in order for a strictly competitive playing field to be preserved and to only have one champion fighter in each division it would take a lot of time and a lot of money. you'd need a league system of some sorts and you'd have to try and overhaul the major organizations already running the sport. you'd have to be able to guarantee fighters better purses then what fighting under the system in place already pays them. it's all about the money

gomez1012 wrote:

Im with Marble on this, there is no sense in giving these trinkets ANY value

Try explaining this (WBC strap) to anyone not a fan of the sport

yeah but that's the thing, they don't have to explain it to the people that aren't fans of the sport, not everybody knows every minor detail of who is who in Boxing, they just see that poster/commercial/radio ad/newspaper article etc etc as being THE SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD. See some clips of people knocking people out or hear about KO's and then the promotion of got every chance of being successful. it's like in Gladiator times, nobody knows what the fu.ck is going to happen they just wanted to watch it because we all love that. people love a row, fighters love money, if fighters can make more money from selling their fight as being for a World Title then they will sell it as a world title regardless of whether they believe that it is genuine or not. fighters like Floyd don't need to do that but there was once upon a time that you'd see Floyd standing there with his 5 WBC straps all around him, showing them off. if it makes money, it makes sense

dbudge87 wrote:

but the problem is already in place, the system of four major sanctioning bodies awaring out a title each in 17 separate divisions. the system has been for for a while now and in order to change that it would require one massive organization to come along and have the funds and infrastructure to replace them four systems with one ranking systems covering all the elements in the equation. that organization would also have to be self-sustainable and guarantee fighters purses. it would take all of the promoters out of the equation and employ their own promotion and marketing team to give the fights/fighters exposure. the fighters would still need managers and trainers but the organization could ensure that the fighters would only get paid to fight the fights that they required. then you would still have a system where they'd have to challenge for a higher ranking and then defend that ranking then challenge for a higher ranking and so on. the organization would probably have to rely on only a couple of TV networks, that they have contractual obligations to, to get their exposure so it would be hard to hype up a fight between number 5th ranked guy from denmark vs number 4th ranked guy from argentina. the way i see it is that in order for a strictly competitive playing field to be preserved and to only have one champion fighter in each division it would take a lot of time and a lot of money. you'd need a league system of some sorts and you'd have to try and overhaul the major organizations already running the sport. you'd have to be able to guarantee fighters better purses then what fighting under the system in place already pays them. it's all about the money

I think you are seeing a far more drastic change than is really necessary.

The following is a possible answer and doesn't seem beyond the pale to me. HBO/Showtime/ESPN and Ring (for starters) get together and agree that if Ring will cede ranking authority to their advisory board, and will agree to temporarily broaden their championship criteria to fill in a few more divisional champions (like #1 vs. #3 always counts), then the broadcasters will ONLY refer to and acknowledge Ring titles and Ring rankings.

I mean fighters will get it pretty quick when they are forbidden from bringing alphabet straps to the ring if they are getting paid by HBO/Showtime or ESPN and when announcers confront them if they claim to be champion when they are not.

Over time European and Asian broadcasters would be encouraged to join.

dbudge87 wrote:

yeah but that's the thing, they don't have to explain it to the people that aren't fans of the sport, not everybody knows every minor detail of who is who in Boxing, they just see that poster/commercial/radio ad/newspaper article etc etc as being THE SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD. See some clips of people knocking people out or hear about KO's and then the promotion of got every chance of being successful. it's like in Gladiator times, nobody knows what the fu.ck is going to happen they just wanted to watch it because we all love that. people love a row, fighters love money, if fighters can make more money from selling their fight as being for a World Title then they will sell it as a world title regardless of whether they believe that it is genuine or not. fighters like Floyd don't need to do that but there was once upon a time that you'd see Floyd standing there with his 5 WBC straps all around him, showing them off. if it makes money, it makes sense

I get your point, but your looking it from the business side of things, I know why they are pitched or marketed this way

Still doesnt make any sense at all for any boxing fan to even acknowledge them

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dbudge87 wrote:

but the problem is already in place, the system of four major sanctioning bodies awaring out a title each in 17 separate divisions. the system has been for for a while now and in order to change that it would require one massive organization to come along and have the funds and infrastructure to replace them four systems with one ranking systems covering all the elements in the equation. that organization would also have to be self-sustainable and guarantee fighters purses. it would take all of the promoters out of the equation and employ their own promotion and marketing team to give the fights/fighters exposure. the fighters would still need managers and trainers but the organization could ensure that the fighters would only get paid to fight the fights that they required. then you would still have a system where they'd have to challenge for a higher ranking and then defend that ranking then challenge for a higher ranking and so on. the organization would probably have to rely on only a couple of TV networks, that they have contractual obligations to, to get their exposure so it would be hard to hype up a fight between number 5th ranked guy from denmark vs number 4th ranked guy from argentina. the way i see it is that in order for a strictly competitive playing field to be preserved and to only have one champion fighter in each division it would take a lot of time and a lot of money. you'd need a league system of some sorts and you'd have to try and overhaul the major organizations already running the sport. you'd have to be able to guarantee fighters better purses then what fighting under the system in place already pays them. it's all about the money

I think you are seeing a far more drastic change than is really necessary.

The following is a possible answer and doesn't seem beyond the pale to me. HBO/Showtime/ESPN and Ring (for starters) get together and agree that if Ring will cede ranking authority to their advisory board, and will agree to temporarily broaden their championship criteria to fill in a few more divisional champions (like #1 vs. #3 always counts), then the broadcasters will ONLY refer to and acknowledge Ring titles and Ring rankings.

I mean fighters will get it pretty quick when they are forbidden from bringing alphabet straps to the ring if they are getting paid by HBO/Showtime or ESPN and when announcers confront them if they claim to be champion when they are not.

Over time European and Asian broadcasters would be encouraged to join.

but don't you think that the TV networks putting on the fights are the ones to blame for so many World Championships, isn't it them that demand the higher viewing figures? it's the guys paying the fighters wages that call the shots. if it means they are going to lose money then it's not going to happen. it still won't enforce fighters to only be able to fight certain fighters. if a fighter has a more fan friendly style then he'll be the one that gets the TV exposure. it's an entertainment business right?

this is the thing though, i'm not acknowledging the title as being genuine. i know that this is just one of the several fights that need to happen before the best can be hailed as such. i'm just saying that it makes sense to me why Froch and Team Sauerland would want this to be for a World Title. if it helps to gain a bigger audience by being such then that can't be too damaging for Boxing, Boxing needs to keep the casual fan interested in order for the big fights to happen. i don't find it insulting to my knowledge of what is really going on in the sport, i'm just accepting that's the way it is now. it doesn't make me hate something that i love so much anyway

dbudge87 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dbudge87 wrote:

but the problem is already in place, the system of four major sanctioning bodies awaring out a title each in 17 separate divisions. the system has been for for a while now and in order to change that it would require one massive organization to come along and have the funds and infrastructure to replace them four systems with one ranking systems covering all the elements in the equation. that organization would also have to be self-sustainable and guarantee fighters purses. it would take all of the promoters out of the equation and employ their own promotion and marketing team to give the fights/fighters exposure. the fighters would still need managers and trainers but the organization could ensure that the fighters would only get paid to fight the fights that they required. then you would still have a system where they'd have to challenge for a higher ranking and then defend that ranking then challenge for a higher ranking and so on. the organization would probably have to rely on only a couple of TV networks, that they have contractual obligations to, to get their exposure so it would be hard to hype up a fight between number 5th ranked guy from denmark vs number 4th ranked guy from argentina. the way i see it is that in order for a strictly competitive playing field to be preserved and to only have one champion fighter in each division it would take a lot of time and a lot of money. you'd need a league system of some sorts and you'd have to try and overhaul the major organizations already running the sport. you'd have to be able to guarantee fighters better purses then what fighting under the system in place already pays them. it's all about the money

I think you are seeing a far more drastic change than is really necessary.

The following is a possible answer and doesn't seem beyond the pale to me. HBO/Showtime/ESPN and Ring (for starters) get together and agree that if Ring will cede ranking authority to their advisory board, and will agree to temporarily broaden their championship criteria to fill in a few more divisional champions (like #1 vs. #3 always counts), then the broadcasters will ONLY refer to and acknowledge Ring titles and Ring rankings.

I mean fighters will get it pretty quick when they are forbidden from bringing alphabet straps to the ring if they are getting paid by HBO/Showtime or ESPN and when announcers confront them if they claim to be champion when they are not.

Over time European and Asian broadcasters would be encouraged to join.

but don't you think that the TV networks putting on the fights are the ones to blame for so many World Championships, isn't it them that demand the higher viewing figures? it's the guys paying the fighters wages that call the shots. if it means they are going to lose money then it's not going to happen. it still won't enforce fighters to only be able to fight certain fighters. if a fighter has a more fan friendly style then he'll be the one that gets the TV exposure. it's an entertainment business right?

It's a sport or it is nothing as far as I'm concerned. ONE title means the money goes through the championship. THAT means the best fight the best over and over and over again. The decline in boxing viewership over the last two decades is almost exactly correlated to the rise of the multi-alphabet organizations. I don't think that's an coincidence. For example, what does it tell the casual fan when in the pre-talk for fight after fight Max Kellerman does his divisional review and says "These four hold the belts" and then they show another three guys and he says "But these are the fighters who really matter?" The casual fan suddenly is trying to absorb 6-7 names and he's supposed to be able to make heads or tales out of it? I KNOW what the networks are doing. They are placating the promoters. I'm saying it is a bad business approach?

Can you imagine if the NFL decided to call the divisional winners "World Champions?" They'd be properly ridiculed.

dbudge87 wrote:

this is the thing though, i'm not acknowledging the title as being genuine. i know that this is just one of the several fights that need to happen before the best can be hailed as such. i'm just saying that it makes sense to me why Froch and Team Sauerland would want this to be for a World Title. if it helps to gain a bigger audience by being such then that can't be too damaging for Boxing, Boxing needs to keep the casual fan interested in order for the big fights to happen. i don't find it insulting to my knowledge of what is really going on in the sport, i'm just accepting that's the way it is now. it doesn't make me hate something that i love so much anyway

See here is where we disagree. You think people are dumb enough to think those straps actually impart important information. I think people can't make heads or tails out of the mayhem of the alphabet straps and therefore turn the sport off.

Look at waht every other sport is trying to do. Golf and Nascar have created ONE MAN championships at the end of the year. College football is trying to get to the same place. The NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB are already there.

Boxing is going the other way (diluting what champion means) and declining in importance. I don't think that's an accident. There are fewer good fights as a result.

i do know. it is hard trying to explain it to people and i know that it's not the ideal situation. there are guys parading themselves as World Champions and it makes me cringe. it would just need huge reinvestment and time and it would be impossible to implement. the NFL has a guaranteed revenue stream and a guaranteed product. Boxing doesn't and so they have to make as much as they can when they can

maybe it needs for the casual fan to get disinterested and the fighters to earn less money for taking shitty fights. the mayweather vs pacquiao situation is what's damaging for the sport. maybe the message will start getting through eventually to the fighters, Andre Berto has been relegated to undercard status in his next bout against Freddy Hernandez and last time he was trying to negotiate a 50/50 split with Shane Mosley and priced himself out. then Mosley vs Mora happened, i bet Berto is kicking himself now. maybe it needs for the fighters to stop getting paid big numbers for fighting bums before they get the message. do you think that they've had it too good for too long?

dbudge87 wrote:

i do know. it is hard trying to explain it to people and i know that it's not the ideal situation. there are guys parading themselves as World Champions and it makes me cringe. it would just need huge reinvestment and time and it would be impossible to implement. the NFL has a guaranteed revenue stream and a guaranteed product. Boxing doesn't and so they have to make as much as they can when they can

But WHY did the NFL get a guranteed income stream? One reason is because of the Super Bowl, where a legitemate champion is crowned. EVERYONE watches because they KNOW, casual fan included, these are the stud hosses!

dbudge87 wrote:

maybe it needs for the casual fan to get disinterested and the fighters to earn less money for taking shitty fights. the mayweather vs pacquiao situation is what's damaging for the sport. maybe the message will start getting through eventually to the fighters, Andre Berto has been relegated to undercard status in his next bout against Freddy Hernandez and last time he was trying to negotiate a 50/50 split with Shane Mosley and priced himself out. then Mosley vs Mora happened, i bet Berto is kicking himself now. maybe it needs for the fighters to stop getting paid big numbers for fighting bums before they get the message. do you think that they've had it too good for too long?

I dunno. I mean these guys risk their lives every time they get in the ring. I get they should try for all the money they can. BUT that simp;ly can't be what it is all about if they want MY money. They have to aspire to in-ring greatness.

you have bold standards good Sir. i bet your skirt is immaculate