WEC live discussion(sp0ilaz)

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Jose Aldo is the pound for pound best fighter in the world.

No he isn't. He needs to test himself against better competition first. The Featherweight division in WEC is a joke.

No one was questioning the division before he mauled Faber, Brown and Manny like they were nothing(edit: I've actually said that about all the WEC divisions before, however, I still think Aldo's skills make the grade) No one can take him down, no one can strike with him. He is crushing everyone. GSP makes a strong case obviously but he isn't finishing anyone and Dan Hardy and Jon Fitch ain't as good as Faber or Brown. Remember, Aldo is supposed to be a BJJ wizard who taps out the best blackbelts in the world. His skills would be immediately transferable to all divisions. At 170 he'd be like Alves on more steroids.

His striking is naturally very explosive, damaging and fast, but if you had to find a weakness in his game, that would be it. Ya. He's that good. At HW he'd be a better JDS, at LHW he'd be Shogun with better takedown D, at MW he'd be better than Anderson with his takedown D again. Is Anderson a better striker? He was in all his bouts before Sonnen but he looked awful last time out. Gotta factor that in. Besides, I think Aldo's GnP and BJJ games would be where he'd beat Anderson. He'd kick Frankie's leg the fuck off before decapitating him. If BJ Penn came in shape like he did last year he'd be a great fight but the last two BJ Penn's would get knocked out.

He's my P4P fighter. Sorry GSP.

I've always questioned the division. Manny being the number 1 contender proves how weak it is. Aldo is a beast but I'm not going to start proclaiming him the best.

I'm looking at Aldo and his skills, and how he is beating his opponents. I'm grading Aldo, not Manny.

He is a BJJ prodigy with a pedigree of a Maia-esque ground wizard, who three straight wrestlers never had a hope or a prayer to takedown, who knocks everyone the fuck out with blinding speed and power.

He is the picture of an elite well rounded fighter. He is not just good but great in all three phases of MMA.

Everyone thought Machida was unstoppable and would be champ for the foreseeable future and look what Rua did to him. Until he gets tested by better opposition you can't say he's the best. He could be the best but he can't be p4p ranked 1 just yet. I like him though.

In fairness to Machida, he lost to a former p4p'r who had been written off. Shogun is another fighter who now makes a case on the list as well. Aldo has defended his title twice now, more than Machida did. I don't know if I can buy the premise "well ya this guy could be the best but this other guy we thought was the best lost to this other guy we also once thought was the best proving it's impossible to know who the best is".

he has beaten the last 2 champs and the number 1 contender in dominating fashion, and finished 2 of them. i'd put him at 1 or 2

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I've always questioned the division. Manny being the number 1 contender proves how weak it is. Aldo is a beast but I'm not going to start proclaiming him the best.

manny was number one cont. only due to the fact that aldo has smashed the rest. Its a division of about 5 top guys and aldo is just in another class. the division is good its just small and aldo does not belong at 145 unless they can bring in some top guys from over seas.

sokolkevin wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I've always questioned the division. Manny being the number 1 contender proves how weak it is. Aldo is a beast but I'm not going to start proclaiming him the best.

manny was number one cont. only due to the fact that aldo has smashed the rest. Its a division of about 5 top guys and aldo is just in another class. the division is good its just small and aldo does not belong at 145 unless they can bring in some top guys from over seas.

Manny was number 1 contender because he beat MTB. I have Aldo behind GSP, Anderson Silva and Frankie Edgar.

shitballs i forgot it was on. I have versus time fore dvr.


cerrone won right?

Cu Bua wrote:

shitballs i forgot it was on. I have versus time fore dvr.


cerrone won right?

Yep, 30-27 on all judges cards.

The WEC FW division in excellent, it's just Aldo is that much better than everyone else, and Manny is a solid FW, maybe at LW he wasn't tops, but that was because he was fighting above his true weight class, he would have beaten Nate and been TUF if he didn't dislocate his shoulder too.

Aldo has a real say at being the #1 P4P fighter in the World too, skill level, competition he's beaten in his division, I'd have no problem if someone put him number 1.

will want to watch this card but varner looked like a guy without fire in his comeback against sharlourus.

I really think these guys only have so many fights in them before it becomes a competition

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

The WEC FW division in excellent, it's just Aldo is that much better than everyone else, and Manny is a solid FW, maybe at LW he wasn't tops, but that was because he was fighting above his true weight class, he would have beaten Nate and been TUF if he didn't dislocate his shoulder too.

Aldo has a real say at being the #1 P4P fighter in the World too, skill level, competition he's beaten in his division, I'd have no problem if someone put him number 1.

excellent? then why was Brown fighting some dude who has yet to win a fight in the org? With Faber having dropped to 135, and Aldo clobbering all the lw journeymen who have become FW contendors overnight, the WEC FW div is looking pretty soft. This is very much Aldo and then a huge drop off.

Let's not get crazy now Freak. I'd agree that WEC FW division may be getting stale with MTB at a crossroads, Faber to BW and in my opinion, dearth of up and comers to keep Aldo's future at FW relevant probably forcing a move to LW but dominating Faber and MTB like he did was as convincing of a P4P arguement as anybody in MMA has put on. Obviously there is GSP and Anderson Silva but you got to think what if Jose Aldo was in a 170 body, or a 185 body or a 205 body or a fuckin HW. There is simply no place to a fighter can go in a fight with Aldo and have an advantage IMO...and he's only 24 and he's displayed top notch everything.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Let's not get crazy now Freak. I'd agree that WEC FW division may be getting stale with MTB at a crossroads, Faber to BW and in my opinion, dearth of up and comers to keep Aldo's future at FW relevant probably forcing a move to LW but dominating Faber and MTB like he did was as convincing of a P4P arguement as anybody in MMA has put on. Obviously there is GSP and Anderson Silva but you got to think what if Jose Aldo was in a 170 body, or a 185 body or a 205 body or a fuckin HW. There is simply no place to a fighter can go in a fight with Aldo and have an advantage IMO...and he's only 24 and he's displayed top notch everything.

Until he actually does it then you can't say he would. Everyone thought Fedor, Penn and Machida wouldn't lose for a long time and look at them now. In MMA you never know.

Penn's first loss at LW in what, 9 years just happened, Machida had never lost and has been fighting since 2003, and Fedor had been the undisputed HW champion of the universe and also at least 5 of the 7 levels of Hell since somewhere around 70 AD.

I don't think enough top fighters have emerged in BW and FW yet. The larger weight classes have had well over 10+ years of time at the biggest and most visible level. Aldo is top 5 p4p for me but I think his division is both young and still largely un tapped of the best guys. Aldo is the best I've seen right now though he is a beast but from what I know right now he is a little better status wise than what Torres was a before he was getting beat. He might be the next goat though, more time will time tell more.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I don't think enough top fighters have emerged in BW and FW yet. The larger weight classes have had well over 10+ years of time at the biggest and most visible level. Aldo is top 5 p4p for me but I think his division is both young and still largely un tapped of the best guys. Aldo is the best I've seen right now though he is a beast but from what I know right now he is a little better status wise than what Torres was a before he was getting beat. He might be the next goat though, more time will time tell more.

Very reasonable. I have been saying this for years since Torres and Faber were being argued at number 1. But Aldo is quite obviously world class in every aspect of MMA. He is a freak like maybe the sport has never seen.

I think the sport is developing at a rapid pace and soon more fighters will be like Jose Aldo and Jon Jones. These 2 and GSP are setting the bench mark and in about a year or 2 could be the top 3 in any order.

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

The WEC FW division in excellent, it's just Aldo is that much better than everyone else, and Manny is a solid FW, maybe at LW he wasn't tops, but that was because he was fighting above his true weight class, he would have beaten Nate and been TUF if he didn't dislocate his shoulder too.

Aldo has a real say at being the #1 P4P fighter in the World too, skill level, competition he's beaten in his division, I'd have no problem if someone put him number 1.

excellent? then why was Brown fighting some dude who has yet to win a fight in the org? With Faber having dropped to 135, and Aldo clobbering all the lw journeymen who have become FW contendors overnight, the WEC FW div is looking pretty soft. This is very much Aldo and then a huge drop off.

Dude WTF? just because Aldo is soo good doesn't mean the rest of the division isn't. Faber dropped because of Aldo but throw hm in and it's pretty solid, Brown fighting that guy was a direct result of getting KO'd by Manny and fighting his way back up.

Aldo
Faber still counting him
Brown
Grispi
Assuncao
Manny
Nunes
Mendes
Davis
Hominick
Vazquez

Lets not overreact to Aldo's dominance, on this note the UFC WW division blows

Besides Aldo not 1 other fighter in that division is top 30 p4p. The WW division has GSP, Fitch, Shields and Koscheck that would make a top 30 p4p.

Quality within division though and those guys are some of the best FWs in the World.

The point was that GSP is completely dominant over them just as Aldo is, does that mean the division is shit? and outside Sheilds whose moved up and beaten very quality opponents can we really say within their divisions Fitch, Kos, Thaigo are so different? Fitch's skill level isn't true P4P quality, Kos got Ko'd by Thiago not too long ago, arguments can be made all day. All I know is in terms of FWs, the WEC FW division is solid.

Lol about your comment on Fitch not having the skill set. All that matters is the W and he does it better in that division than anyone besides GSP. The FW division is weak because fighters would rather fight in the LW division because they can make much more money.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Lol about your comment on Fitch not having the skill set. All that matters is the W and he does it better in that division than anyone besides GSP. The FW division is weak because fighters would rather fight in the LW division because they can make much more money.

WTF? rather fight at LW, dude they fight there because that's the weight class LOL

P4P is based on skill level considering all things equal