Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: United States behind 9/11

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

FYI- Wolf is the founder and creator of yamakas.com, the fastest growing yamaka online store in the U.S.

Yes, but will it be able to compete with the industry-leading YamakaDepot.com; currently advertised on the trunks of several MMA fighters?

Tobe06 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

FYI- Wolf is the founder and creator of yamakas.com, the fastest growing yamaka online store in the U.S.

Yes, but will it be able to compete with the industry-leading YamakaDepot.com; currently advertised on the trunks of several MMA fighters?

He made a big push to get it in on the cage in the new EA MMA video game. If he pulled that off it could be huge for his business.

The theory's of evolution and gravity have yet to be dis-proven. Nothing can truly be proven.

GDPofDRC wrote:

The theory's of evolution and gravity have yet to be dis-proven. Nothing can truly be proven.

Gravity is a myth created by the government to hold us down.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

The theory's of evolution and gravity have yet to be dis-proven. Nothing can truly be proven.

Gravity is a myth created by the government to hold us down.

Man you're on a roll today!

Yeah, I want some of what Sooner is having.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Yeah, I want some of what Sooner is having.

It's the power of the yamaka.

Wolf, I understand you are trying to play moral relativist here by saying the Muslims are simply the Jews of 1930's and 1940's Germany, but you are missing key elements. This is not a war on Muslims and never has been. This is a war against Islamic Extremists. The fact is, they are not only against the US and Israel, but target many non-Islamic nations. Ask anyone who has lived in India in the last 70 years what its like dealing with Islamic terrorism. Has India (who has suffered the most Islamic terrorism then any nation in the world) been in on this propoganda effort as well? You have leaders of Islamic groups calling for the destruction of western society, saying they oppose any efforts to make peace, etc., and while these are kooks, they are often the most powerful people in some of these countries. To act like Islamic extremism is a non-issue is to be blind. It is a real issue and of real concern. Living in the US, we dont experience it everyday like others do.

The reality is that the biggest and most numerous victims of Islamic extremism are other Muslims. Do they have no voice? Do they not have the right to live without threats of death? I am not excusing any alleged crimes committed by the US or our troops, but, to act like we caused this, is to not fully understand the textual premise that the extremists are beginning with. For example, we often associate extreme Christians or extreme Jews with those who take the Bible or Torah's words literally. The same can be said from extreme Muslims. Now, read the Qur'an and the Hadith and tell me what someone who reads those texts literally thinks is their duty? Now, couple that with the fact that many of these literalists are the heads of state, or represent extremist groups more powerful then the government in their nation. The US is not innocent, but to try and equate culpability is blind in my opinion.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/terror-suspect-admits-to-cartoon-plot-20100928-15vtr.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312918/POPES-UK-VISIT-Six-men-arrested-plot-harm-Benedict-XVI.html

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/Al-Qaeda-terror-plot-in-Canada-traced-back-to-Pakistan--Iran/articleshow/6449144.cms

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This is not a war on Muslims and never has been

War on Terror is a contrived excuse to nation build and protect Israel. The War on Terror is a continuation of the same basic conflict that was at work during the crusades.


India has a border war with "extreme Muslims" so that isn't equatable at all, not even a little bit.


What creates Islamic extremism and why are they angry at us?


Jimbo you're just falling back onto mainstream rhetoric here and that rings pretty hollow in a place like this.

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You have leaders of Islamic groups calling for the destruction of western society, saying they oppose any efforts to make peace, etc., and while these are kooks, they are often the most powerful people in some of these countries. To act like Islamic extremism is a non-issue is to be blind. It is a real issue and of real concern. Living in the US, we dont experience it everyday like others do.

Lie. They only fuck with us because we fuck with them. How many Islamic extremists have you actually heard speak? You're not getting your info from the horses mouth, just the media.

How exactly could these guys hurt us? 9-11 isn't going to be replicated. What else can they do?
What can they do to us? How can they hurt us? Why do they want to destroy the West? Why hasn't Sweden or Norway or Belgium or Canada or any of these other nations with even more "immoral"(in their eyes) freedoms than the US been attacked? Why is it just us? Is it a coincidence they attack the country that meddles in their affairs?


You have fallen victim to the fear mongering of the media/left/right in the United States.


There is no War on Terror. Just an illegal war on Islam.

It will take some time to come to grips with everything you know turning out to be a lie. It won't be easy or pleasant for you jim.

Answer my questions.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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You have leaders of Islamic groups calling for the destruction of western society, saying they oppose any efforts to make peace, etc., and while these are kooks, they are often the most powerful people in some of these countries. To act like Islamic extremism is a non-issue is to be blind. It is a real issue and of real concern. Living in the US, we dont experience it everyday like others do.

Lie. They only fuck with us because we fuck with them. How many Islamic extremists have you actually heard speak? You're not getting your info from the horses mouth, just the media.

How exactly could these guys hurt us? 9-11 isn't going to be replicated. What else can they do?
What can they do to us? How can they hurt us? Why do they want to destroy the West? Why hasn't Sweden or Norway or Belgium or Canada or any of these other nations with even more "immoral"(in their eyes) freedoms than the US been attacked? Why is it just us? Is it a coincidence they attack the country that meddles in their affairs?


You have fallen victim to the fear mongering of the media/left/right in the United States.


There is no War on Terror. Just an illegal war on Islam.

It will take some time to come to grips with everything you know turning out to be a lie. It won't be easy or pleasant for you jim.

Answer my questions.

I have actually heard quite a number of radical Islamic figures speak, both in downtown Manhattan, overseas, in D.C., etc. The more you bury your head in the sand, the happier they are. Its not that we "fuck" with them. It is their belief and goal to spread worldwide Sharia law and the fact that the US supports Israel is one of the major gripes with us. They believe that they perform al takia in the name of God and that Jews perform al takia in the name of Satan. This is from the Hadith, a text they use to justify their actions. Its a movement, not political dissention. Their best efforts have been in propoganda, getting the American left to buy into this notion that they have political gripes as opposed to aspirations to rule and take over. You sir are the one who has been duped.

Now, I am not talking about Muslims, just Islamic extremists, apologists and those in support of these organizations. What else can they do? A highly orchestrated plot was just foiled in England and France. They can coordinate bombs, destroy infrastructure, etc. Most of all, they are winning the propoganda war, gaining sympathy for their mission. You stated why haven't northern European countries and Canada been attacked? If you looked at the links I provided, I demonstrated to you that a terror plot in Canada was just recently foiled, as were threats of attacks in Denmark. Now, these countries dont support Israel the same way the US does, but they support the US and by connection are now targets. What you are missing is the mission of these groups. Read the Hadith, which is their principle textual reference along with the Qur'an. See what a literalist would believe if they were to read those texts for literal purposes. Its plainly stated by leaders of these organizations. Im not talking about what the mainstream media tells you, Im talking about their own websites, etc.

Wolf, it is you who needs to wake up and realize that not everything American is bad. Not everyone has a valid political gripe. There is no war on Islam. There is a war on Islamic extremists who have waged war on the US. You have fallen victim to their amazing propoganda efforts, aided by the American left who seek to support anyone who is at odds with the US and wants to believe that all people desire peace. These extremists have made life hell for the average Muslim, whom nobody seems to speak for. By you positioning these extremists as the Muslim victims, you are slighting the real Muslim victims and giving the extremists the pulpit to define Islam.

So some criminal activity on the scale of small time terrorists justifies our war?

Also the American left has nothing to do with what I was talking about. You're way behind this discussion man. Your war is a fraud. The American left is just as much to blame. The American left still fear terrorist boogymen. Intelligence agencies and criminal agencies should be prosecuting terrorism. That is the appropriate response. Not war. The American left supports the Afghanistan campaign and supports Israel. Just another side of the same coin. All disgusting.


And even if you were right, and they wanted to take us over because they hate our right to go to McDonalds and all that silly shit you've been suckered to believe in, does that give us the right to destroy entire countries?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

So some criminal activity on the scale of small time terrorists justifies our war?

Also the American left has nothing to do with what I was talking about. You're way behind this discussion man. Your war is a fraud. The American left is just as much to blame. The American left still fear terrorist boogymen. Intelligence agencies and criminal agencies should be prosecuting terrorism. That is the appropriate response. Not war. The American left supports the Afghanistan campaign and supports Israel. Just another side of the same coin. All disgusting.


And even if you were right, and they wanted to take us over because they hate our right to go to McDonalds and all that silly shit you've been suckered to believe in, does that give us the right to destroy entire countries?

Didnt someone say this once?

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I'd just as soon nuke Israel bro, I'd just let the survivors wear their hats. Don't get it twisted.

jimbojones1950 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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You have leaders of Islamic groups calling for the destruction of western society, saying they oppose any efforts to make peace, etc., and while these are kooks, they are often the most powerful people in some of these countries. To act like Islamic extremism is a non-issue is to be blind. It is a real issue and of real concern. Living in the US, we dont experience it everyday like others do.

Lie. They only fuck with us because we fuck with them. How many Islamic extremists have you actually heard speak? You're not getting your info from the horses mouth, just the media.

How exactly could these guys hurt us? 9-11 isn't going to be replicated. What else can they do?
What can they do to us? How can they hurt us? Why do they want to destroy the West? Why hasn't Sweden or Norway or Belgium or Canada or any of these other nations with even more "immoral"(in their eyes) freedoms than the US been attacked? Why is it just us? Is it a coincidence they attack the country that meddles in their affairs?


You have fallen victim to the fear mongering of the media/left/right in the United States.


There is no War on Terror. Just an illegal war on Islam.

It will take some time to come to grips with everything you know turning out to be a lie. It won't be easy or pleasant for you jim.

Answer my questions.

I have actually heard quite a number of radical Islamic figures speak, both in downtown Manhattan, overseas, in D.C., etc. The more you bury your head in the sand, the happier they are. Its not that we "fuck" with them. It is their belief and goal to spread worldwide Sharia law and the fact that the US supports Israel is one of the major gripes with us. They believe that they perform al takia in the name of God and that Jews perform al takia in the name of Satan. This is from the Hadith, a text they use to justify their actions. Its a movement, not political dissention. Their best efforts have been in propoganda, getting the American left to buy into this notion that they have political gripes as opposed to aspirations to rule and take over. You sir are the one who has been duped.

Now, I am not talking about Muslims, just Islamic extremists, apologists and those in support of these organizations. What else can they do? A highly orchestrated plot was just foiled in England and France. They can coordinate bombs, destroy infrastructure, etc. Most of all, they are winning the propoganda war, gaining sympathy for their mission. You stated why haven't northern European countries and Canada been attacked? If you looked at the links I provided, I demonstrated to you that a terror plot in Canada was just recently foiled, as were threats of attacks in Denmark. Now, these countries dont support Israel the same way the US does, but they support the US and by connection are now targets. What you are missing is the mission of these groups. Read the Hadith, which is their principle textual reference along with the Qur'an. See what a literalist would believe if they were to read those texts for literal purposes. Its plainly stated by leaders of these organizations. Im not talking about what the mainstream media tells you, Im talking about their own websites, etc.

Wolf, it is you who needs to wake up and realize that not everything American is bad. Not everyone has a valid political gripe. There is no war on Islam. There is a war on Islamic extremists who have waged war on the US. You have fallen victim to their amazing propoganda efforts, aided by the American left who seek to support anyone who is at odds with the US and wants to believe that all people desire peace. These extremists have made life hell for the average Muslim, whom nobody seems to speak for. By you positioning these extremists as the Muslim victims, you are slighting the real Muslim victims and giving the extremists the pulpit to define Islam.

,Good post, Jimbo.l I have nothing to add to your point. However, if I put in my two cents about so called liberals, I would say that a good number of the "Super Rich" are supposed liberals (see Hollywood). I mention Hollywood because this is an industry that, in business practices, is one of the most conservative in the world. Look under "Anti Trust" laws and then see how Distribution comps in HW operate. Just thought it was interesting that todays rich liberal has everyone's best interests at heart but their own citizens. Also I find it interesting that extreme left and extreme right people have similar views on Israel and our problem in the Middle East.

Soonermark with his continued dickshittery. You know that is a fucking joke and I said it's a joke. In the middle of the yamaka shitstorm started by sooners. Notice how I tied that in? I'd really advocate nuking an entire country, really. I really meant that. Clearly. Especially in the context of all my other opinions we've argued on.

You're being cheap. Respond to the half dozen things I've proved you wrong on that you refuse to acknowledge before you chime in any more. These tactics are making you look even more stupid. You're lucky all the boxing board guys like you or I'm sure they'd have laughed you out of here for the last three days.

Jimbo, I need a reply from you in the Israel thread I started just to see where you stand, and to better understand why you think the way you do.


Soonermark I suppose, out of sheer morbid curiosity I wonder what someone like you thinks on that issue too.

Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudis,yet we invaded Iraq which had nothing to do with 911.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Soonermark with his continued dickshittery. You know that is a fucking joke and I said it's a joke. In the middle of the yamaka shitstorm started by sooners. Notice how I tied that in? I'd really advocate nuking an entire country, really. I really meant that. Clearly. Especially in the context of all my other opinions we've argued on.

You're being cheap. Respond to the half dozen things I've proved you wrong on that you refuse to acknowledge before you chime in any more. These tactics are making you look even more stupid. You're lucky all the boxing board guys like you or I'm sure they'd have laughed you out of here for the last three days.

LMAO this is all coming from the guy who as I can tell has zero people on this board who like him. HMMM Wolf it looks like I am getting under your skin. LOL LOL LOL

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Jimbo, I need a reply from you in the Israel thread I started just to see where you stand, and to better understand why you think the way you do.


Soonermark I suppose, out of sheer morbid curiosity I wonder what someone like you thinks on that issue too.

Which one you guys just went off on a ton of stuff and I have to be honest I have not had time to read it all.