1 in 5 gay/bi men in US cities HIV positive

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I could give a crap what consenting adults do behind closed doors.

The one thing I think is dead wrolng though is the idea gays, or anyone else for that matter, have a RIGHT to serve in the military. The military cannot be about some sort of social justice. It must always be about winning and that's all.

Now if having gays in the military helps us win? Great, bring them on. Hell if an all-gay military makes it best? Let's ban heteros from serving.

If the best military comes from having only semi-literate, one handed, polio ridden dwarfs of Albanian decent serve? Then if we have enough of them we should have a semi-literate, polio ridden, dwarf-driven, Albanian speaking military.

Whatever helps us win is what should be done, civil rights be damned.

I agree with this post 100 percent.

One of my favorite lines in movie history is from Sergeant Hartmen in "Full Metal Jacket." "There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on kikes, niggers, waps or greasballs. To me you are all equally worthless."

I just had to write this. Wolf, I am not on your side. You seem to have an un-natural hatred for Blacks, Gays and who ever else isn't a straight up WASP. As I stated before, I enjoy reading your posts. You're an intelligent guy. However, if I agreed with you on anything I'd start to see a Shrink.

I am an Irish-Italian atheist with an acute fondness for Church burning and Death Metal. You're unable to rationalize amoral thinking and have been conditioned to think opinions like mine are racist or homophobic or whatever by society. I cannot offer you any other advice besides "don't quit your day job".

The kind of thinking I expouse isn't allowed on TV by the powers that be as it is entirely toxic to the false dichotomy of American politics and the nature of our two party sham of a system, so I wouldn't expect you to understand it. What people don't understand or are unfamiliar with they react negatively too.


If I started thinking like you I'd swallow a fucking bullet.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya marble sounds like a homophobic scumbag...right sooners?


Good point marble.

You think what you said resembles anything close to what marble just said? You are nuts.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I could give a crap what consenting adults do behind closed doors.

The one thing I think is dead wrolng though is the idea gays, or anyone else for that matter, have a RIGHT to serve in the military. The military cannot be about some sort of social justice. It must always be about winning and that's all.

Now if having gays in the military helps us win? Great, bring them on. Hell if an all-gay military makes it best? Let's ban heteros from serving.

If the best military comes from having only semi-literate, one handed, polio ridden dwarfs of Albanian decent serve? Then if we have enough of them we should have a semi-literate, polio ridden, dwarf-driven, Albanian speaking military.

Whatever helps us win is what should be done, civil rights be damned.

That is the greatest line I have read in a long time.

Name a solitary thing I said that can be disputed.


Unpleasant truth =/= hate.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Name a solitary thing I said that can be disputed.


Unpleasant truth =/= hate.

Not a problem there.

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Homosexuals are largely deviants and miscreants. I don't know if whatever makes them sexually operate completely outside the natural order also causes their brains to be more deviant, or if society simply funnels them down miscreant deviant pathways through intolerance, but the end result is the same. It's likely a mixture of both.

Gays on TV are a myth. Most gay men will fuck anything and anyone.

What isn't true there?

Every gay I've ever met has been that way, and the stats support that opinion, as does the first hand accounts of all other users in this thread. I'm not painting happy faces on anything.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

What isn't true there?

Every gay I've ever met has been that way, and the stats support that opinion, as does the first hand accounts of all other users in this thread. I'm not painting happy faces on anything.

WOW you really just read what you want. Its amazing.

I know you only posted this response after things went south for you in those other discussions. Don't argue out of emotion sooners.

I have no problem with gays but the majority of them do live a sexually perverted lifestyle in more ways than one

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I know you only posted this response after things went south for you in those other discussions. Don't argue out of emotion sooners.

What emotion? I am not mad or anything. Why do you think I am? Is it because I think you are completely insane?

http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/promiscuity/


Sooners this is for you since you're completely lacking in data.

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Gay author Gabriel Rotello notes the perspective of many gays that “Gay liberation was founded . . . on a ‘sexual brotherhood of promiscuity,’ and any abandonment of that promiscuity would amount to a ‘communal betrayal of gargantuan proportions.’”1 Rotello’s perception of gay promiscuity, which he criticizes, is consistent with survey results. A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250- 499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners.2 By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984.3

In more recent years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25.4 Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex.5 A 2003 U. S.- based, Urban Men’s Health Study, reported that over 30% of the homosexual men studied frequented bathhouses with an average of 27 partners per year.6 In a 2003 study, Amsterdam “singles” averaged 22 casual partners/year, while those with a “steady partner” averaged eight (.7 The average duration of partnerships was 1.5 years. In a 2005 Canadian vaccine trial, homosexual individuals reported 7 partners in the last 6 months.8

The data relating to gay promiscuity were obtained from self-identified gay men. Some advocates argue that the average would be lower if closeted homosexuals were included in the statistics.9 That is likely true, according to data obtained in a 2000 survey in Australia that tracked whether men who had sex with men were associated with the gay community. Men who were associated with the gay community were nearly four times as likely to have had more than 50 sex partners in the six months preceding the survey as men who were not associated with the gay community.10 This may imply that it is riskier to be “out” than “closeted.” Adopting a gay identity may create more pressure to be promiscuous and to be so with a cohort of other more promiscuous partners.

Excessive sexual promiscuity results in serious medical consequences — indeed, it is a recipe for transmitting disease and generating an epidemic.11 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has remained a predominantly gay issue in the U.S. primarily because of the greater degree of promiscuity among gays.12 A study based upon statistics from 1986 through 1990 estimated that 20-year-old gay men had a 50 percent chance of becoming HIV positive by age 55.13 As of June 2001, nearly 64 percent of men with AIDS were men who have had sex with men.14 Syphilis is also more common among gay men. The San Francisco Public Health Department recently reported that syphilis among the city’s gay and bisexual men was at epidemic levels. According to the San Francisco Chronicle:

“Experts believe syphilis is on the rise among gay and bisexual men because they are engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, many of whom they met in anonymous situations such as sex clubs, adult bookstores, meetings through the Internet and in bathhouses. The new data will show that in the 93 cases involving gay and bisexual men this year, the group reported having 1,225 sexual partners.”15

A 2010 CDC data analysis reveals that the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM (men who have sex with men) is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women. 16[insert reference 10 from Male Homosexual Behavior] Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men.

Promiscuity among lesbians is less extreme, but it is still higher than among heterosexual women. Overall, women tend to have fewer sex partners than men. But there is a surprising finding about lesbian promiscuity in the literature. Australian investigators reported that lesbian women were 4.5 times more likely to have had more than 50 lifetime male partners than heterosexual women (9 percent of lesbians versus 2 percent of heterosexual women); and 93 percent of women who identified themselves as lesbian reported a history of sex with men.17 Other studies similarly show that 75-90 percent of women who have sex with women have also had sex with men.18

marky mark, where ya at homie? The above is all CDC data and is reliable. Still think there is no evidence the gay community doesn't have serious promiscuity issues?



No quarter shall be given mark.

Will sooners reply to my facts here, or will he continue to make himself look silly?


Soonermark, why so serious? Can't we debate in good faith without you getting so angry?

You are believing the propaganda by the Christian right Wolf.
Look at this.

http://wigaypedia.com/wiki/Studies:Promiscuity

Sooner, I am going off of CDC data, and the website I posted doesn't have an agenda and is a secular resource as far as I could tell. Your link has a rainbow colored wikipedia-esque icon on the other hand. Further, the only sources they site are old and the newest was from 1994, where as the CDC data is all more recent.

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A 2010 CDC data analysis reveals that the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM (men who have sex with men) is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women. 16[insert reference 10 from Male Homosexual Behavior] Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men.

Again, unpleasant truths do not equal hatred or bigotry. Why haven't you called anyone else any names, when every single person has agreed with me?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Sooner, I am going off of CDC data, and the website I posted doesn't have an agenda and is a secular resource as far as I could tell. Your link has a rainbow colored wikipedia-esque icon on the other hand. Further, the only sources they site are old and the newest was from 1994, where as the CDC data is all more recent.

So your dismissing my data? What a surprise.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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A 2010 CDC data analysis reveals that the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM (men who have sex with men) is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women. 16[insert reference 10 from Male Homosexual Behavior] Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men.

Again, unpleasant truths do not equal hatred or bigotry. Why haven't you called anyone else any names, when every single person has agreed with me?

Because they dont want to nuke the jews.

I say we all Unite and blame Canada!

Says the guy who wants to ban them from wearing their religious clothing.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

I say we all Unite and blame Canada!

Hey! Lay off Canada!

Still rocking the yamaka OuSooner?

ha ha sorry Tobe

Yeah I think I'll change it today.