Subject: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:38 pm
Best boxer: Junior Jones -- This is a tough question. I faced a lot of good boxers in my career, but I think Jones might be the best. He had very good technique. He threw straight, accurate punches. He could punch too. He hurt me in our fight. Best puncher: Jones -- I really felt it when he connected. I remember freezing for a second in the second round of our fight when he caught me with a right hand.
Quickest hands: Pacquiao -- Pacquiao had the quickest hands. Jones was faster with single punches from the outside, but Pacquiao could deliver four or five quick, short punches in combination in the blink of an eye. Both guys had the kind of speed that you couldn’t see. Quickest feet: Hector Acero-Sanchez -- He kept running or walking around the ring the entire fight. I never knew where he was going or what he was going to do. I just wanted to fight. It was a frustrating night. Best defense: Acero-Sanchez -- I had a hard time finding him. He kept his gloves up and he never stopped moving in and out and around me. Best chin: In-Jin Chi -- That was one very tough guy. I should have knocked him out with the number of hard punches I landed to his chin, but he just kept coming forward all night. He was strong and he had great conditioning.”
Best jab: Zahir Raheem -- Everything he did was off his jab. That was his key punch. He was all about the jab, and that jab gave me trouble. Strongest: Pacquiao -- Often guys who are as muscular looking as he is aren’t that strong in the ring, but he is strong. Very strong. Chi was physically strong, too. He had the strength to push me around and wrestle with me on the inside, but Pacquiao was more explosive. He is a very powerful man in the ring.
Smartest: Raheem -- I never liked the way he fought and I didn’t like that fight for me. I knew it would be difficult. I didn’t have the best camp for Raheem, but even if I had had a great camp, he would have been frustrating because he’s so cagey.
The former three-division titleholder had a difficult time with the first category, Best Fighter.
The obvious choice is either Barrera or Pacquiao, two arguably great fighters who Morales beat in the first bouts of their trilogies but lost the following two fights to each. However, the salty veteran refused to bestow that honor on either man. “El Terrible” takes his rivalries seriously.
In this way, Morales is no different from Joe Frazier, who resents Muhammad Ali to this day, or Marvelous Marvin Hagler, who maintains that he won his showdown with Sugar Ray Leonard.
“What do you mean by that question, ‘Who’s the best fighter?’” Morales asked through interpreter Ricardo Jimenez. “Are you talking about the most complete fighter? The best skilled?”
“All of the above,” this writer replied. A second later a fan who attended the press luncheon at downtown L.A.‘s El Paseo restaurant blurted out in Spanish: “Come on, Terrible! You know it’s Barrera!”
“Nah, f___ him,” Morales told the man.
If you believe the animosity between Morales and Barrera was contrived to sell tickets, think again.
When it was time for Morales to answer the Best fighter category he was still clearly uncomfortable with the question.
“If you’re talking about the toughest opponent I’ve faced, to be honest, his name was Erik Morales,” he said in all seriousness. “When I did things the right way and had proper training, boxing was easy for me, but all too often I did not do that. So, as you know, I had a lot of struggles.
“Honestly, I had too many tough fights to say one man was tougher than all the rest. I know fans want me to say that it was either Barrera or Pacquiao, but I don’t see it that way. That’s not how a fighter views things. There are fighters who people have forgotten about or never knew that were the toughest fights, the biggest fights for me at the time I fought them.
“Jose ‘Pepillo’ Valdez was the toughest fighter I had ever faced back when I was nothing. That fight [TKO 3 in 1994] was the biggest fight for me when I was just a Tijuana prospect.
“Enrique Jupiter (TKO 6 in 1995) was the toughest I faced when I moved on to the next level and was regarded as one of Mexico’s best young fighters. I had to beat him in order to show that I was going to go somewhere in boxing.
“Daniel Zaragoza, the old champion I beat a week before I turned 21, was the toughest fighter I faced when it was time for me to prove that I could be a Mexican star in the United States. He was by far the toughest and most skilled fighter I had faced at the time. By beating him [KO 11 in 1997], I proved that I could fight any style and that I could be a real champ.
“Junior Jones (TKO 4 in 1998) was my biggest fight when it was time for me to prove that I could go to the next level, from a champion to one of the fighters rated pound for pound. And from then on it was just tough fight after tough fight.
“My fights with Barrera and Pacquiao are among those tough fights, but I don’t see them as being any more special than my tough fights with (Wayne) McCullough, (Guty) Espadas, Chi, (Jesus) Chavez, (Carlos) Hernandez and (David) Diaz. I’ve had so many wars I forget some of them. You or anyone else can probably put together a Top 20 list of my toughest fights.”
I don't see why Erik had to be so difficult about answering the best fighter category.
captainanddew Brown Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:44 pm
Morales and Barerra will be 50 years old, both of them will be at a big fight in Mexico being honored for their exploits (along with other Mexican greats), and Morales probably will still want to beat Barerra the hell down. He really hates that man.
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:46 pm
FASCINATING!
Junior Jones heavier handed than Manny? Would never have guessed that!
The way he thinks about the best fighter question is far more thoughtful, and probably a far more accurate view of his mind at each point in time, than I would have guessed possible.
The way he thought about himself really does show the arrogance and ego necessary to be great.
This phrase When I did things the right way and had proper training, boxing was easy for me, could have come out of the mouth of John Wooden of all people.
Thatw as great Ali, thanks!
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:51 pm
My boy, Doug Fisher, with another solid piece for Ring.com. Morales always wanted to be great. That is why he went after Pac a 3rd time.
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:54 pm
captainanddew wrote:
My boy, Doug Fisher, with another solid piece for Ring.com. Morales always wanted to be great. That is why he went after Pac a 3rd time.
VERY tough to complain about Terrible isn't it?
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:56 pm
I have a 3 year old son. When he is old enough to be taught about boxing, if I have to name five fighters from 1990-2010, that I want to show him, Morales makes the list. I have the utmost respect for him.
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:03 pm
Morales and Barrera will always be linked to me almost like Gatti and Ward. Morales vs Barrera were absolutely some of my favorite fights of all time.
Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:35 pm
lmao I love how he refuses to put Barrera #1 in anything. Maybe if they had the category of the biggest douchebag he's ever fought haha.
Have you guys seen this? It's pretty cool. Morales explains punch mechanics and fighting Pacquiao on ESPN Golpe a Golpe. Guess who is used as demonstration?
Two excellent fighters.
4445Frank Purple Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:55 pm
marbleheadmaui wrote:
FASCINATING!
Junior Jones heavier handed than Manny? Would never have guessed that!
The way he thinks about the best fighter question is far more thoughtful, and probably a far more accurate view of his mind at each point in time, than I would have guessed possible.
The way he thought about himself really does show the arrogance and ego necessary to be great.
This phrase When I did things the right way and had proper training, boxing was easy for me, could have come out of the mouth of John Wooden of all people.
Thatw as great Ali, thanks!
Because it's not true. I was a big Junior Jones guy, but he doesn't pack the power Manny does.
powerpuncher Green Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:07 am
i love morales. this was interesting. i remember them asking the same questions to toney. toney refused to say anything good about jones. he said that jones had the fasted hands but he said that he had weak punches.
i think that when you hate someone especially if they beat you, you dont want to give them any credit. morales is definitely an ATG and a HOFer. i believe that he was the best featherweight out of barrera, pac, and marquez
marbleheadmaui Red Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:08 am
4445Frank wrote:
marbleheadmaui wrote:
FASCINATING!
Junior Jones heavier handed than Manny? Would never have guessed that!
The way he thinks about the best fighter question is far more thoughtful, and probably a far more accurate view of his mind at each point in time, than I would have guessed possible.
The way he thought about himself really does show the arrogance and ego necessary to be great.
This phrase When I did things the right way and had proper training, boxing was easy for me, could have come out of the mouth of John Wooden of all people.
Thatw as great Ali, thanks!
Because it's not true. I was a big Junior Jones guy, but he doesn't pack the power Manny does.
And Morales would lie because...
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:21 am
timthebim wrote:
Morales and Barrera will always be linked to me almost like Gatti and Ward. Morales vs Barrera were absolutely some of my favorite fights of all time.
I agree. I loved the Morales vs Barrera fights.
4445Frank Purple Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:46 am
[quote="marbleheadmaui"]
4445Frank wrote:
marbleheadmaui wrote:
FASCINATING!
Junior Jones heavier handed than Manny? Would never have guessed that!
The way he thinks about the best fighter question is far more thoughtful, and probably a far more accurate view of his mind at each point in time, than I would have guessed possible.
The way he thought about himself really does show the arrogance and ego necessary to be great.
This phrase When I did things the right way and had proper training, boxing was easy for me, could have come out of the mouth of John Wooden of all people.
Thatw as great Ali, thanks!
Because it's not true. I was a big Junior Jones guy, but he doesn't pack the power Manny does.
And Morales would lie because...
Quote :
Long ago, I believe it was 1962 to be exact, a man named Charlie Powell was knocked out by then Cassius Clay in the 3rd round. Years later, Sports Illustrated did a story on the Ali opponents before he became champion in the 60s. Charlie Powell proudly stated, "Ali was never the best I ever fought. Howard King, he was the best." Who the hell is Howard King? Doesn't matter. It's an extreme case of a figther wanting to appear important by knowing something nobody else does. Everyone is going crazy over Manny Pacquiao. Talk shows here, Dallas Stadium fights there... he's invaded America like the Beattles. So what does Morales say? Oh he could hit, but he's no Junior Jones. If you take away Junior's victory over Marco Antonio B., there's not much to base anything on. It's kind of obvious that Manny is better than Junior in pretty much every category. This is why he wins most of his fights, and Junior lost a lot of his. It's not that deep. Should Morales be given the benefit of the doubt because he's on the inside of the ring, while we're looking on the outside, in? Depends on what the comment is. If Ken Norton stated that Jimmy Young was actually a harder puncher than Earnie Shavers, would we agree? I've seen Junior Jones as the main event. I've also seen him open cards. He's good but he's no Pacquiao, especially when it comes to punching power. This is calculated by a simple equation. Manny swings and his opponents break their asses on the way down. Junior swings and they finish the fight. See? That was easy. (Special note to Marble: Marble, if you somehow know something about Howard King and put it on here, may a house fall on your head! )
I know NOTHING about Howard King!. Albert King sure! Bernard King? Yup. King Henry the Fifth? You betcha. Howard King? No idea!
Pretty freaking good answer actually. I hereby amend my earlier remarks to read. Frank445 is a genius!
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:30 pm
i think that morales explained it well. at different points of your career you feel like certain fighters are better than others. maybe pac didnt seem as good in their first fight together and in their second and third fights he just felt drained so he didnt think that it was as much from pac being that good. i remember that chuvalo said that two random fighters (i dont even remember their names) were the hardest hitters he faced. he didnt mention foreman or frazier as hitting the hardest. it all depends on the fight and the style of the fight i believe.
4445Frank Purple Belt
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Subject: Re: Erik Morales on the best he's faced Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:44 pm
powerpuncher wrote:
i think that morales explained it well. at different points of your career you feel like certain fighters are better than others. maybe pac didnt seem as good in their first fight together and in their second and third fights he just felt drained so he didnt think that it was as much from pac being that good. i remember that chuvalo said that two random fighters (i dont even remember their names) were the hardest hitters he faced. he didnt mention foreman or frazier as hitting the hardest. it all depends on the fight and the style of the fight i believe.