Dan Hardy: Wrestling to avoid fighting is 'timidity'

http://www.mmamania.com/2010/9/7/1674421/dan-hardy-wrestling-to-avoid

"In interviews this week, I've been asked if another two losses in addition to my loss to George St-Pierre and Paul Daley's defeat to Josh Koscheck, shows that the Rough House needs to bring in new wrestling coaches in order to be successful in the UFC ... Rather than saying 'oh, these guys can't wrestle', I think the problem is there's beginning to be too much wrestling in UFC Octagon, not too little of it in the gym. There are a lot of people out there calling themselves 'UFC fighters' who are nothing of the kind. In the UFC, you should go for finishes. You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either. But there's guys out there who just want to use wrestling to hold a stalemate for 15 minutes, without ever risking going for ground and pounds or attempting submissions. This isn't 'cheating within the rules' – it is actually against the rules. 'Timidity' is outlawed in the Unified MMA rules and what better describes the act of holding on to an opponent and waiting for the clock to tick down with no attempt or inclination to do any damage? And that's not the same as saying all UFC bouts have to be kickboxing or Thai boxing matches in order to be entertaining. That's not what I am saying. One of the best fights of the year was George [Sotiropoulos] – who is a friend of mine and a guy I am tipping to win the Lightweight Title next year – beating Joe Stevenson at UFC 110 ... The Athletic Commissions need to look at the scoring and refereeing to stop this from becoming a problem. If a guy is in a dominant position, but not actually doing anything offensive – stand 'em back up. If he is consistently trying to tie the other guy up to avoid actual fighting – warn him and then start taking points. It is supposed to be a fight."

I agree with Dan.

aka fuck bringing in wrestlers.

Apparently Ross Pearson has been training at Rutgers to improve his take down defense.

I agree with what Dan said but heres the thing, he thinks GSP falls into that "wrestling to aviod fighting" category, when he absolutely doesn't. Just as there is a problem that Hardy's statements highlight there is also a problem with people calling Lay n Pray when what happen wasn't even close to Lay n Pray.

MMAeyes is on the money here.

Ross Person is a smart fighter and could be the best MMA-boxer before long.

MMAEYES wrote:

I agree with what Dan said but heres the thing, he thinks GSP falls into that "wrestling to aviod fighting" category, when he absolutely doesn't. Just as there is a problem that Hardy's statements highlight there is also a problem with people calling Lay n Pray when what happen wasn't even close to Lay n Pray.

I agree. Anybody else would've probably tapped but Hardy is just a freak of nature.

GSP didn't let Hardy fight the way he wanted. He should of had points deducted for that? Really Dan? Wipe your eyes dry, shut up with the excuses and diversify your game.

I really don't like Hardy partly because the guy can look you in the eye with a straight face and say GSP wasn't trying to finish him in their fight! Does he think we're all that fucking stupid. I mean be real.

Someone get Dan some ointment because his pussy hurts. Shut the fuck up and figure out a way to keep these guys from throwing your ass all over the cage or go fight somewhere else.

Dan came looking for a fight and instead got a man mounting him and trying to tickle his limbs, I don't blame him for being frustrated.

If Hardy wanted a fight he should of punched St Pierre. He hardly did that. He was throwing barely any punches. Why didn't he throw more? Was he being timid?

It's hard to get going when you're worried about a counter take down.

Chuck Liddell wrote : No it isn't...

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Chuck Liddell wrote : No it isn't...

Chuck Liddell is an American with wrestling experience.

So Hardy couldn't fight GSP like he wanted to because GSP wouldn't let him. It's laughable that he is crying about this. If he really thinks like that he should quit MMA. That whole statement makes him sound confused about the sport and like a lil girl in general. Maybe he should have a press conference saying he refuses to fight people who know how to wrestle.

He used a lot of words to describe Lay-N-Pray. Besides if he actually trained in how to handle it and BJJ from the back, he might have done better. But no, let us blame the tactics. Besides GSP beat the shit out of him and did go for win.

If you're on your back, and you aren't trying sweeps, submissions, and strikes off your back, then it's your fault, too. Getting taken down and holding a defensive guard is as timid as laying on someone, isn't it?

chorky777 wrote:

If you're on your back, and you aren't trying sweeps, submissions, and strikes off your back, then it's your fault, too. Getting taken down and holding a defensive guard is as timid as laying on someone, isn't it?

Amen. Holding and praying that the ref stands you up (aka helps you get out of a position you cant get out of yourself) is lay and pray as well. However, hardly anyone gets called out for that.

Nate the Great disagrees



http://www.mmamania.com/2010/9/9/1678903/nate-marquardt-dan-hardy-shouldnt

"That's just coming from someone who isn't a good wrestler. Wrestling is a big part of MMA. He shouldn't complain about it, he should learn it. With MMA, you see changes and trends in the sport. One minute the strikers are dominating it, the next minute it's the wrestlers. You have to watch that and adapt to it."

The UFC Fight Night 22 conference call took place today featuring main eventers Nate Marquardt and Rousimar Palhares as well as Efrain Escudero and Charles Oliveira. And while it didn't quite measure up to conference calls of recent, think UFC 117 with Mr. Sonnen and UFC 118 with "Lights Out," one comment that was made is worthy of discussion. When asked about Dan Hardy's recent attack on wrestlers in MMA, "The Great" said what just about any fighter who knows how to wrestle would say, essentially 'shut up and learn it.' Marquardt added that dominant aspects of the sport tend to be cyclical, and right now, the wrestlers rule. What do you make of Nate's assertion? Agree or disagree?

I don't recall Hardy going for the kill himself. He stayed back and wanted GSP to strike first as I recall. That's just as timid. Look at Anderson Silva in his fight with Chael. He went for the kill everytime they stood, then worked from the bottom to eventually get the finish. What exactly is Hardy doing to try to finish fights when he isn't standing and his opponent isn't charging in recklessly like Rory Markham? I like Hardy, but he's being a bitch here.

chorky777 wrote:

If you're on your back, and you aren't trying sweeps, submissions, and strikes off your back, then it's your fault, too. Getting taken down and holding a defensive guard is as timid as laying on someone, isn't it?

Exactly!

Shut up Hardy

LMAO

this guy is a clown straight up

come on learn some takedown d and shut the fuck up

GDPofDRC wrote:

Nate the Great disagrees



http://www.mmamania.com/2010/9/9/1678903/nate-marquardt-dan-hardy-shouldnt

"That's just coming from someone who isn't a good wrestler. Wrestling is a big part of MMA. He shouldn't complain about it, he should learn it. With MMA, you see changes and trends in the sport. One minute the strikers are dominating it, the next minute it's the wrestlers. You have to watch that and adapt to it."

The UFC Fight Night 22 conference call took place today featuring main eventers Nate Marquardt and Rousimar Palhares as well as Efrain Escudero and Charles Oliveira. And while it didn't quite measure up to conference calls of recent, think UFC 117 with Mr. Sonnen and UFC 118 with "Lights Out," one comment that was made is worthy of discussion. When asked about Dan Hardy's recent attack on wrestlers in MMA, "The Great" said what just about any fighter who knows how to wrestle would say, essentially 'shut up and learn it.' Marquardt added that dominant aspects of the sport tend to be cyclical, and right now, the wrestlers rule. What do you make of Nate's assertion? Agree or disagree?

Nate speaks the truth.
However, on occasion there is a problem with guys stalling on the ground and not attempting to engage in gNp or submission attempts. If these comments from Hardy are ultimately directed at GSP, they are way off base. Hardy is lucky that GSP has a heart or Danny boy would be recovering from a broken limb. GSP also has great gNp, just ask BJ Penn or Matt Serra about it.