Jean Pascal vs Bernard Hopkins likely for Dec 18th

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I don't understand the antipathy for BHOP. He needs to be beaten into submission in order to retire it seems.

Until someone can do that shouldn't we be marveling at him?

Marble, did you see that his last fight(hate to call it that) against RJJ. That was just sickening. A fighter doesn't need to be carried out of the ring to show the world that he's done.

He looked bad against another horribly shot fighter. That's all I, or anybody else should need to see...

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

Dunno. Don't marriage vows mean things? Judging that kind of stuff in others is just beyond me.

I care about these guys only as fighters. Keeps life simpler

Hillsicc303 wrote:

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I don't understand the antipathy for BHOP. He needs to be beaten into submission in order to retire it seems.

Until someone can do that shouldn't we be marveling at him?

Marble, did you see that his last fight(hate to call it that) against RJJ. That was just sickening. A fighter doesn't need to be carried out of the ring to show the world that he's done.

He looked bad against another horribly shot fighter. That's all I, or anybody else should need to see...

Apparently you're wrong in BHOP's case right? Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this. And yeah, the Jones fight was awful. But he won.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

Dunno. Don't marriage vows mean things? Judging that kind of stuff in others is just beyond me.

I care about these guys only as fighters. Keeps life simpler

As a mothers boy it saddens me to see Bernard betray her.

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

Dunno. Don't marriage vows mean things? Judging that kind of stuff in others is just beyond me.

I care about these guys only as fighters. Keeps life simpler

As a mothers boy it saddens me to see Bernard betray her.

LOL. Fair enough. Make sure your Mom sees that post. It'll make her day!

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

I think he kept his promise quite well. Ever see the two Jermaine Taylor fights? LOL: Actually, I understand Hopkins is 45 or 46 and still getting top billing, however he looked horrible and silly against Roy Jones. Falling down after getting tapped on the back of the head by an "over the hill" Roy Jones is not what I call a prime athlete. Sure he was acting but he was worried about losing. If he fights Paschal, he finally gets embarrassed. I don't think the safety first style works here. I'd be impressed if he showed up.

4445Frank wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

I think he kept his promise quite well. Ever see the two Jermaine Taylor fights? LOL: Actually, I understand Hopkins is 45 or 46 and still getting top billing, however he looked horrible and silly against Roy Jones. Falling down after getting tapped on the back of the head by an "over the hill" Roy Jones is not what I call a prime athlete. Sure he was acting but he was worried about losing. If he fights Paschal, he finally gets embarrassed. I don't think the safety first style works here. I'd be impressed if he showed up.

I just haven't seen Pascal enough. If the way he fought against Dawson is the norm? I think he has no shot. If he can actually apply constant pressure? Another story.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillion others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

I think he kept his promise quite well. Ever see the two Jermaine Taylor fights? LOL: Actually, I understand Hopkins is 45 or 46 and still getting top billing, however he looked horrible and silly against Roy Jones. Falling down after getting tapped on the back of the head by an "over the hill" Roy Jones is not what I call a prime athlete. Sure he was acting but he was worried about losing. If he fights Paschal, he finally gets embarrassed. I don't think the safety first style works here. I'd be impressed if he showed up.

I just haven't seen Pascal enough. If the way he fought against Dawson is the norm? I think he has no shot. If he can actually apply constant pressure? Another story.

I am sure you can find the Froch fight on youtube.

Here you go.



Part 2 is when the fight starts.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Here you go.



Part 2 is when the fight starts.

STUDLINESS! Thanks!

Im with marble

and i like this fight

and i take BHOP

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I don't understand the antipathy for BHOP. He needs to be beaten into submission in order to retire it seems.

Until someone can do that shouldn't we be marveling at him?

I would agree if he were making compelling fights unfold in the division instead of holding them up. Hopkins is motivated by money- as long as he feels he can put another mil$ in the bank he'll fight on.

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

his word means nothing if he sees money to be made....Bernard has proven this many times

Canvas wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I don't understand the antipathy for BHOP. He needs to be beaten into submission in order to retire it seems.

Until someone can do that shouldn't we be marveling at him?

I would agree if he were making compelling fights unfold in the division instead of holding them up. Hopkins is motivated by money- as long as he feels he can put another mil$ in the bank he'll fight on.

True, but in THIS case he is fighting the recognized champion. Isn't that a GOOD thing?

What turned me off of Hop was his sickening sales job in trying to draw a DQ for the phantom low blow against Calzahge.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Canvas wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I don't understand the antipathy for BHOP. He needs to be beaten into submission in order to retire it seems.

Until someone can do that shouldn't we be marveling at him?

I would agree if he were making compelling fights unfold in the division instead of holding them up. Hopkins is motivated by money- as long as he feels he can put another mil$ in the bank he'll fight on.

True, but in THIS case he is fighting the recognized champion. Isn't that a GOOD thing?

I can't disagree with you there, even if it's not the fight I want.

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

The main flaw of Bernard is he went back on his word even when he swore to his mother before she passed.

Wait a minute, I'm supposed to judge a fighter based on in-family promises?

Geeze, remind me to cross Ali and Ray Leonard and Jack Johnson and a gazillioen others off my list.

Yeah but wasn't Bernard's mother on her death bed when he swore he'd never fight again ?

I don't give a fuck what Bernard said to Bernard's momma. I don't wanna see the fight because Bernard has become a bitter old man who complains about everything.

I'm curious what they mean by "Canadian TV". I'd be shocked if this was shown on TSN (the Canadian ESPN) but that would be cool. Other than that, it's HBO Canada, which is just HBO anyway. Unless they mean TVA in Quebec, which sometimes carries these cards with a French crew. Not ideal, but it'd give me a chance to practice my French I guess.

Either way, this is an interesting fight, but not the best possible one that could have been made. I put it behind a rematch with Dawson, a fight with Bute, and a rematch with Froch, to be honest.

Pascal is a very brave man. Hopkins is very capable of beating him and nobody ever looks good against hopkins even in a win.

taylorfleig wrote:

Pascal is a very brave man. Hopkins is very capable of beating him and nobody ever looks good against hopkins even in a win.

I didn't think of it that way. Good point!