As if true MMA followers need anymore proof

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

As far a straight BJJ Mir probably has a slight edge over Fedor. That is a knock on Fedor, Mir is just good at what he does. The same can be said about Werdum and probably Nog. That doesn't mean crap in an MMA match though because Fedor's sambo and GnP would take his ground game to another level.

Fedor doesn't even do BJJ...


Fedor IMO has better subs than Mir and has submitted better opponents. I would love to see Mir submit HMC from off his back.

Mir would submit Hong Man Choi off his back. And are you guys forgetting that Frank Mir submitted Roberto Traven? Ten times better grappler than anyone Fedor's submitted.

You can wikipedia Frank's career all you want. That is the only real submission win that impresses me outside of snappin' poopy's arm. And who the fuck really is Travan, what did he do in MMA?

Fedor has sub'd numerous UFC champions. He is also much quicker off his back than Mir is. He is a better athlete and is able to do things grappling wise Mir could never hope to do.

Mir doesn't have a better ground game in any facet than Fedor. None.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

What the fuck, how is he a shot fighter? His striking is looking much better and he's had two wins over top 25 fighters since he left the UFC.

He is shot especially after last night. I dont think he did anything to prove me wrong at all. Every time he steps up the comp he gets KOed in devastating fashion. U can defend him but ur better off with ur Fedor better than Mir subs arguement than explaining how Babalu is even relevant.

Ninja if Fedor is doing armbars, chokes, and kimuras, etc then he is doing BJJ.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Ninja if Fedor is doing armbars, chokes, and kimuras, etc then he is doing BJJ.

Farmer, BJJ is not the first martial art to use those techniques..... Use of chokes and breaking techniques pre-date written history.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Ninja if Fedor is doing armbars, chokes, and kimuras, etc then he is doing BJJ.

No, he is doing submissions. Those submissions have existed for thousands of years. A lot longer than Helio Gracie.

That is like saying "if he is doing kicks and punching he is kickboxing"

Submissions that are apart of BJJ. It doesn't matter which came first.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Submissions that are apart of BJJ. It doesn't matter which came first.

Armbars, kimuras, chokes were used for thosands of years. Modern BJJ is the adaptation of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu and Judo.

Fedor has no rank in BJJ want so ever because he never trained in it....

Hughes doesn't have a rank either. I think yall are just being knitpicky here.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Hughes doesn't have a rank either. I think yall are just being knitpicky here.

The difference being Hughes along with Franklin learned BJJ from the likes of Pat Miletich and Jeremy Horn at MFS. Franklin even admitted he learned most of his BJJ from old Gracie training videos.

Fedor never learned any form of BJJ. He trains in Russian indigenous martial arts like Sambo and Systema. And of course trains in boxing.

There is a point with Hughes too. While his submissions are more directly influenced by BJJ, he practices catch wrestling/submission grappling.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You can wikipedia Frank's career all you want. That is the only real submission win that impresses me outside of snappin' poopy's arm. And who the fuck really is Travan, what did he do in MMA?

Fedor has sub'd numerous UFC champions. He is also much quicker off his back than Mir is. He is a better athlete and is able to do things grappling wise Mir could never hope to do.

Mir doesn't have a better ground game in any facet than Fedor. None.

Ha ha, you stupid douche bag. You think that being dismissive is the same as winning an argument.

And it's kind of funny that you use your own ignorance as defense of your point. Good job, sack-breath.

Roberto Traven is a 2-time BJJ world champ, Abu-Dhabi open weight champ, and three time Masters World Cup champ.

And Mir submitted him. Mir has also submitted multiple UFC champs, and his submission of Sylvia was better than Fedor's. Fedor looked more impressive against Sylvia, but straight submissions Mir was more impressive.

Hey, name the best BJJ guy Fedor has submitted.

His submissions have all been against wrestlers and kick boxers. Fedor has great submissions, but Mir's are simply better. Fedor is of course a much better fighter.

Traven is also Brian Bowles' BJJ coach.

I know exactly who Roberto Traven is.

Listen, let us compromise. I'll let you nincompoops think Mur has "better submissions" or has "better bjj", as long as you admit that Fedor's submissions are more dangerous in MMA to real pro MMA fighters and he would be more likely to submit Brock due to his more rounded game.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I know exactly who Roberto Traven is.

Listen, let us compromise. I'll let you nincompoops think Mur has "better submissions" or has "better bjj", as long as you admit that Fedor's submissions are more dangerous in MMA to real pro MMA fighters and he would be more likely to submit Brock due to his more rounded game.

I don't even know what that would mean? Are you saying, "Fedor is more likely to submit Brock because he would do what he did to Tim Sylvia and knock him senseless before submitting him?" Because if that's the case, I will agree with that. If you're saying, and I believe this was how this whole thing started, "If Brock was on top of either fighter, he'd have to worry more about Fedor submitting him than Mir." I'm gonna have to disagree still. Frank Mir's guard is more dangerous than Fedor's. That's just the way it is.

How anyone can think the man that beat Sylvia or Arlovski cannot beat Brock? I mean everybody knows those are the 2nd and 3rd best HWs on the planet and Fedor walked right through them. Brock is fighting third and fourth tier fighters in and a fourth tier organization. I mean it is just fact that if it isn't part of M-1 Global it isn't real MMA. They have all the best shows, fighters, and the best management in the history of the sport.

Frank Mir would get trashed by Arlovski. Sorry.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Frank Mir would get trashed by Arlovski. Sorry.

Of course he would Wolfy. He fights in the lowly UFC! It is a practical given that Brett Rogers would win the UFC HW Championship in his sleep, he is so lucky to be in Strikeforce, because that is the next best thing to being in M-1 Global or DREAM. Thankfully Arlovski is so good nobody can afford to sign him to a contract. Even boxing promoters are running scared from him.

Andrew you are fucking annoying. You're manpudding yes?

Dude, I told you a long time ago I wasn't going to try and straight up argue with you guys. You wanna bitch about me when I make legit arguments and now you want to be a bitch when I am fucking pulling your leg. Now man up or shut up!

Wait, you made legit arguments?

I did and they didn't include french kissing Fedor's ass so you started name calling, which is fine. I am a big boy and can handle it, but don't get on a high horse when I am giving you a hard time for defending his most recent bouts, especially since it was obvious I wasn't even shooting for serious. If you can't handle one or the other, then just slip on a skirt and swish around for us.

You weren't shooting for serious? No kidding? You were shooting for annoying-limpwristed-fruitcake-cockshitter? If so, mission accomplished.


Fedor>your fucking face.

ROFLMAO! Well someone had to take your title at some point Wolf, as long as you held it. Might as well be me!

U guys are funny lol. Who really cares who has the best subs when what it comes down to is if Brock gets on top of u and starts his great gnp it does matter if its Fedor, Mir, Randy, Barnett or any other heavy wieght Brock will win.

timthebim wrote:

U guys are funny lol. Who really cares who has the best subs when what it comes down to is if Brock gets on top of u and starts his great gnp it does matter if its Fedor, Mir, Randy, Barnett or any other heavy wieght Brock will win.

There's something I can agree with.