Overeem confirms what Wolf said all along.

Overeem was never a serious opponent for Fedor.

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While Overeem is not opposed to a highly anticipated meeting with Emelianenko (31-2 MMA, 1-1 SF), he finds the timing of M-1's announcement dubious. He said the matchup has long been delayed by their demands in putting the fight together.

Those stipulations, he said, nixed a meeting at "Strikeforce St. Loouis: Heavy Artillery" back in May.

"(They said), 'Maybe Alistair needs extra drug testing,'" Overeem said. "'Maybe Alistair needs to fight other opponents first, and maybe, he deserves to fight Fedor.' So these guys, they declined to fight me."

Overeem instead fought Brett Rogers at "Heavy Artillery" and defended his belt for the first time in nearly three years with a decisive first-round TKO. Emelianenko was submitted at "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum" the following month in perhaps one of the decade's biggest upsets.

Right from the horsemeat's mouth. This has been the crux of my counter-argument to the stupidity that permeates Overeem and Fedor discussions. Until the Rogers victory, the loser of the SF title fight Overeem won, Paul Buentello, had about as much chance to campaign for a Fedor fight.

M-1 was right to not accept that bout before Overeem actually established himself at HW with a real win over a real contender, and to demand drug testing. Imagine if Alistair Overeem returned to the Strikeforce cage and suffered a bad loss to Fedor. What would places like Sherdog say about that win? If AA and Sylvia wasn't enough how would people have treated Alistar?




































































I wonder what Dana would have said?

WTF Wolf? You proved yourself wrong. Fedor ducked Reem and we know it from the past few months. Try and remember. I know you can.

Fedor has never ducked Alistair Overeem. His management rightfully laughed in the face of any idea a journeyman who was routinely KO'd at LHW in Pride could disappear for a couple years, emerge 40 pounds heavier with solid muscle and a few absolute can wins deserved a fight with Fedor.

After the loss, Fedor was concerned with rematching Werdum, which was reasonable. When that became impossible in the near term, he offers to fight Overeem - who declined.

I literally think less of any human who believes Fedor ducked Overeem. That is complete mythological fiction. I know "OMG Ubereeeeem!" makes for an entertaining caricature, and I guess that's all some people need to buy into this shit.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Fedor has never ducked Alistair Overeem. His management rightfully laughed in the face of any idea a journeyman who was routinely KO'd at LHW in Pride could disappear for a couple years, emerge 40 pounds heavier with solid muscle and a few absolute can wins deserved a fight with Fedor.

After the loss, Fedor was concerned with rematching Werdum, which was reasonable. When that became impossible in the near term, he offers to fight Overeem - who declined.

I literally think less of any human who believes Fedor ducked Overeem. That is complete mythological fiction. I know "OMG Ubereeeeem!" makes for an entertaining caricature, and I guess that's all some people need to buy into this shit.

If I was Overeem I wouldnt fight fedor either. The risk is worth more than the reward at this stage. He was just beaten and if Reem did it the critics would say well Fedor already lose to Werdum and now is just getting old and if he loss to fedor people would say i knew reem was garbage. So in my mind I wouldnt want to fight fedor either.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Fedor has never ducked Alistair Overeem. His management rightfully laughed in the face of any idea a journeyman who was routinely KO'd at LHW in Pride could disappear for a couple years, emerge 40 pounds heavier with solid muscle and a few absolute can wins deserved a fight with Fedor.

After the loss, Fedor was concerned with rematching Werdum, which was reasonable. When that became impossible in the near term, he offers to fight Overeem - who declined.

I literally think less of any human who believes Fedor ducked Overeem. That is complete mythological fiction. I know "OMG Ubereeeeem!" makes for an entertaining caricature, and I guess that's all some people need to buy into this shit.

You are delusional now. Where was Fedor two weeks ago when Overeem was ready for a fight? He waited and it came time to go with the grand prix. I can't see how you blame Overeem for the past 16 months when he has called Fedor out on several occasions? I am more of a Fedor fan anyways. You are becoming too much of a nutthugger and it is clouding your judgement.

Wolf you shouldn't be able to talk about Fedor anymore.

Link to Overeem asking for the fight.

No?

BBC stop making facts up when Fedor is involved.

When were those articles published? Before he had a ranked win in the weight class ever maybe?


Read my post. Anyone who believes Overeem had the type of record to challenge Fedor isn't being reasonable.

Reem needs to fight Fedor to make a name for himself. Right now he's proven nothing.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

When were those articles published? Before he had a ranked win in the weight class ever maybe?


Read my post. Anyone who believes Overeem had the type of record to challenge Fedor isn't being reasonable.

Jesus Christ Wolf! Are you saying HMC had the record to fight Fedor? Or Brett Rogers? How about the weight disparity of Lindland? You make more fucking excuses for that guy, than Whoopi Goldberg does for Mel Gibson.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

When were those articles published? Before he had a ranked win in the weight class ever maybe?


Read my post. Anyone who believes Overeem had the type of record to challenge Fedor isn't being reasonable.

So now all of a sudden he has the type of record to challenge Fedor after a win over Brett Rogers? In the words of Chris Carter "come on, man!" The fact is you asked for articles and they are there. Whether he deserved a shot or not is irrelevant at this point because in all fairness he still doesn't. But now that Fedor is calling him out after M-1 laughed at the idea of these two fighting six months ago all of a sudden it's alright? I thought the gold didn't go looking for the prospectors.

LOL...wolf...

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

When were those articles published? Before he had a ranked win in the weight class ever maybe?


Read my post. Anyone who believes Overeem had the type of record to challenge Fedor isn't being reasonable.

Jesus Christ Wolf! Are you saying HMC had the record to fight Fedor? Or Brett Rogers? How about the weight disparity of Lindland? You make more fucking excuses for that guy, than Whoopi Goldberg does for Mel Gibson.

Those two fights sucked, sure, but those were one collapsed major promotion, two UFC deals that fell through three years and four top ten bout agreements ago. No matter who Fedor fights people say the same thing. If he knocked out every top ten HW outside the UFC in a single night tournament people would still be criticizing his opponents. M-1 is his management company. It is their job to protect him. Including against opponents with inferior records that won't advance Fedor's standing. Again, in the rush to blame the cartoon character notion of those "crazy Russians" for everything people are missing the point. No reasonable manager would accept an Overeem fight without drug testing, and in Fedor's case, no reasonable manager would be accepting non-top ten opponents. Not in this promotional climate. Not for Fedor. Not if retards are still bringing up Lindland and HMC. Imagine what dickshitters like Andrew and BBC would be saying about Overeem if he lost to Fedor without beating Rogers.

Why does no one acknowledge this?



Before Rogers, Oveeem wasn't a top ten opponent. By far Overeem had the weakest strength of schedule of anyone Fedor would have fought, including Rogers and his lone win over AA.


Ludo you didn't read what I said clearly. The fucking crux of my argument is that an Overeem fight offered before he had beaten any top ten fighters was ridiculous and M-1 was right to deny them. Therefore posting links to something firmly established in the root point does what exactly? Maybe I wasn't clear, but the entire point is Overeem never deserved a Fedor fight. Before the Rogers win Overeem had never proven himself in this weight class. Overeem hadn't fought anyone in the US in years and his best win was in 2007 over Paul Buentello. He had been busy can-crushing in Japan and Holland. The only reason he wasn't considered a fringe/freakshow fighter and a legitimate HW at all was the belt he won in Strikeforce back when they were still a regional show.

Imagine if Chase Beebe or Razor Rob left the WEC in 07 before they lost their titles, fought overseas against a bunch of washouts and cans, watched the WEC grow into what it is today and returned to the promotion looking for fights with Cruz and Bendo all of a sudden. Don't you think they'd have to actually beat someone in the WEC or a top ten fighter first?


To the point Overeem wouldn't deserve a fight now if he didn't before ; A successful Strikeforce defense over another guy Fedor just beat, less impressively does establish Overeem in the weightclass. Overeem is ranked in the top ten, has a win on American TV against a guy who even in a loss to Fedor found some success. And Fedor lost, he's no longer the golden nugget he used to be. Suddenly Overeem is a triumphant returning champion while Fedor is coming off his first real career loss. Needless to say the dynamic has changed. Disagree?






If you seriously think Fedor Emelianenko should have fought Overeem, a guy he watched get flattened on undercard after undercard after undercard while he was defending his Pride title, because he ran away from competition for two years and quite obviously cheated in one of the most dramatic physical transformations ever, without testing or before he established himself with real wins over real fighters you flat out are a fucking moron.

Where do you stand on Floyd asking for Manny to take blood tests Wolfy ?

Manny's team emailed Teddy Atlas asking what would happen if he failed the tests.


Enough said.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Manny's team emailed Teddy Atlas asking what would happen if he failed the tests.


Enough said.

You crack me up Wolfy.

Why? Was that not true?

Why are sports fans so disgustingly ignorant on steroids? MMA fans pretend roids don't exist in situations where they're not proven, but once it happens to guys like Sherk who have legitimate cases for innocence they're still half ass blackballed. 110% of baseball players did steroids but somehow it's still cheating and no one gets in the hall of fame, but when fighters in boxing or MMA add power, speed and muscle as they move up weight classes, asking them to take Olympic tests is some insult?

Suck my cock.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Why? Was that not true?

Why are sports fans so disgustingly ignorant on steroids? MMA fans pretend roids don't exist in situations where they're not proven, but once it happens to guys like Sherk who have legitimate cases for innocence they're still half ass blackballed. 110% of baseball players did steroids but somehow it's still cheating and no one gets in the hall of fame, but when fighters in boxing or MMA add power, speed and muscle as they move up weight classes, asking them to take Olympic tests is some insult?

Suck my cock.

Relax mate, I am in favor of bringing olympic style testing to both sports. I just found it funny because Teddy's story turned out to be a fairytale.

That wasn't true?

Still I can understand camp Floyd's concerns. Pacman has added unnatural speed and power and done it later in his career. But the situations are not the same. Pacman is a P4P fighter, one of the biggest names in the sport, and absolutely proven as a contender. Pacman vs Floyd has to happen for boxing. I mean, it has to happen. The fight not happening will be an effective PR deathblow to the sport as a viable PPV industry in the US. Floyd also needs that fight to secure his legacy.

Overeem on the otherhand, is no fucking Pacman. Who the fuck is Overeem? Who has he beaten? What was his ranking before Rogers? Also, Overeem has added significantly more muscle, and not just more than Pacman, but more than any baseball athlete or any steroid athlete in history.

People compare the situations but they're not that similar. Overeem is a fight past can status, Pacman is the p4p best.

No one is refusing to acknowledge that Overeem is probably on Roids and most likely took them all through the last three or four years. My question is how does a win over a #7 ranked fighter make Overeem finally worthy of fighting Fedor? Especially when it is largely recognized that the top ten ranking of Rogers was undeserved in the first place due mostly to the fact that Rogers was overrated. You asked who is Overeem, who has he beaten? Who is he now? Who has he beaten still?

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No one is refusing to acknowledge that Overeem is probably on Roids and most likely took them all through the last three or four years. My question is how does a win over a #7 ranked fighter make Overeem finally worthy of fighting Fedor? Especially when it is largely recognized that the top ten ranking of Rogers was undeserved in the first place due mostly to the fact that Rogers was overrated. You asked who is Overeem, who has he beaten? Who is he now? Who has he beaten still?

People are refusing to acknowledge how a fight with Overeem would have been viewed 6 or 12 months ago. Look Ludo, I've seen enough from you to know you're better than the shortsighted prisoner of the moment I find in this thread.

Rogers may have been overrated now that he lost twice, but who were his two losses to? Overeem and Fedor. The two fighters in question...

You can shove your fingers in your ears and any other openings all you like and pretend that tiny little detail doesn't matter all you want, but you'll just be wrong and have smelly fingers at the same time.

It's simple fight promotion. The UFC does it constantly with the way they handle former number one contenders. Frank Mir and Nog continue to plummet down the rankings at the expense of new fighters, but we don't turn around and take the losses to newer fighters as evidence that they weren't good in the first place as a way to deflate the new fighters do we?

Think about what you've done here. You've used the result of the game to prove the winner wasn't any good. Your logic =



No way are do the Saints deserve to be in the Superbowl, all the teams they beat lost to the Saints in the playoffs so they weren't any good in the first place.

You know what Wolf Fuck You and the Horse your mother blew while fucking an AIDS infected donkey to produce you. I fucking jumped all over Overeem and the "steroids" thing as one of my reasons for not ranking him and you stated he had never failed any testing and this and that and everything I was stating was based unfounded accusations. So I started ranking him. Now because the fucking ducking retard that Fedor/M-1/Vadim says he needs to test, you think he should test?

Plus since as you pointed out that Carwin couldn't hit Overeem because he is a K-1 fighter, doesn't this mean Fedor & his plodding gut couldn't hit him too? You are so full of shit I can smell it on your avatars breath.

Wait, Carwin and Fedor have the same striking style and background?

Or are you just a complete moron?


The rest of your diatribe makes no sense. I suggest typing without so much anger. I could practically see your jaw clinching and your furiously pounding away on the keyboard there. Slow down and relax.


I've always been a critic of Overeem going back to ESPN. I only gave him the due he earned after he finally defended his title against a then-top ten opponent.

Wolf you have proved to me that I shouldn't even have a conversation about Fedor anymore. You close your eyes and plug your ears up and forget the truth.

Oh please. How much different can their overhand rights be? Really? And quit making excuses. If Carwin can't hit a K-1 striker, what makes you think Fedor/M-1/Vadim can? Their styles aren't that much different.