Random Drug Testing Still the Major Hang Up w/ Manny vs Floyd

theres no reason to cement what legacy..it will always have question marks that he avoided to many fighters..yes he made a lot ll BUT 10 mill goes back to oscar n GB for advancing him cash to settle with the irs and other bills..he doesnt have a manager to my knowledge soo he keeps that cut..lets say 6 mill for the training expenses and his body guards and ellebee..59 mill left taxed at 36 percent federal minis the 10 from golden boy leasves still a lot 25 mill or so..lets see if hes bright and has it in risk free various government bonds municipal bonds etc etc..thats not a reason not to fight for 40-55 mill..0.im reading today finaly a auto bio on robinson..his first visit to europe he did 5 -6 fights in 2 months his second was 6 in 2 months after a fight he was visited by villeman and his manager to congradulate robby on his win..the promoter walked in and said heres your next fight..he was joking but ray and villeman thought he was serious..after the promoter left they both worked out details and money to fight..it took 5 WHOLE minutes and 4 weeks later they fought..robinson was offered 100 thousand to fight turpin a few weeks later..his management said take time to get ready..robby said for 100 grand ill fight everyone in england..trust me yes with the tax rate at only 36 pecent he would fight floyd and manny both for 40 mill each 2 months apart and kick the shit out of both of them..hes a real fighter..excuses excuses for these clowns expecialy floyd.

[quote="dmar5143"]theres no reason to cement what legacy..it will always have question marks that he avoided to many fighters..yes he made a lot ll BUT 10 mill goes back to oscar n GB for advancing him cash to settle with the irs and other bills..he doesnt have a manager to my knowledge soo he keeps that cut..lets say 6 mill for the training expenses and his body guards and ellebee..59 mill left taxed at 36 percent federal minis the 10 from golden boy leasves still a lot 25 mill or so..lets see if hes bright and has it in risk free various government bonds municipal bonds etc etc..thats not a reason not to fight for 40-55 mill..0.im reading today finaly a auto bio on robinson..his first visit to europe he did 5 -6 fights in 2 months his second was 6 in 2 months after a fight he was visited by villeman and his manager to congradulate robby on his win..the promoter walked in and said heres your next fight..he was joking but ray and villeman thought he was serious..after the promoter left they both worked out details and money to fight..it took 5 WHOLE minutes and 4 weeks later they fought..robinson was offered 100 thousand to fight turpin a few weeks later..his management said take time to get ready..robby said for 100 grand ill fight everyone in england..trust me yes with the tax rate at only 36 pecent he would fight floyd and manny both for 40 mill each 2 months apart and kick the shit out of both of them..hes a real fighter..excuses excuses for these clowns expecialy floyd.[/quote]

The sport has simply fallen so far in terms of talent, numbers, fighter's attitudes and the fan's knowledge basis that it is startling it is still the best sport there is.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

It's a hang up because Manny agreed to it and called Floyd's bluff. Manny should have done this from the jump but he didn't and looked bad in some (not mine) peoples eyes. Now he's agreed to Floyd's demands and Floyd who coming off of a career year in earnings doesn't want to step in the ring with Manny. $65,000,000 in my pocket might make me step away also. I just wish he'd say he doesn't want to fight anyone anymore then to dangle the carrot in front of the fans faces. This fight and two more after it would make Floyd, win or lose, the richest non heavyweight in history, for a guy who calls himself Money I can't understand why he wouldn't want to cement that legacy.

From what I understand is that they only agreed to the 14 day cutoff from the first negotiation. Notice Bob Arum and company are mum about what they actually agreed to and have never produced the proposal they supposedly sent to Mayweather. I don't trust Team Mayweather, but I don't trust Bob Arum more. When in doubt, I just assume both sides are lying.

The question I have is: What exactly did they agree to and why are they so quiet about it? If they did not agree to full random testing up to the day of the fight, I seriously doubt their proposal was ever taken seriously. If they did agree to full randomized testing UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT, you'd think they would be crowing about it to the media about how Floyd backed off.... They are not. In fact, that was some of the weirdest comments Bob Arum has made about Mayweather for quite some time with all that understanding stuff.

This was all a big media/publicity stunt by Bob Arum to get people to move forward and think about another fight in my opinion. They knew they weren't going to get the fight with Mayweather without agreeing to full randomized testing. I don't believe these talks got very far at all, but instead we were all taken for a ride by Bob Arum, Mayweather, and the media. The reason Bob Arum was so nice with his comments about Mayweather afterward, is probably because talks did not get very far and he wanted to leave the door open for talks in the future. I don't see Bob Arum being so nice and understanding if they agreed to full randomized testing, giving Mayweather what he wanted, and a fight still not being made. Bob would not let that go without some nasty comments.

If the drug testing were the hangup, meaning both sides had agreed to everything but the drug testing, then wouldn't Floyd and his team have responded after Arum's deadline with the following:

"WE NEGOTIATED AND WE COULDN'T AGREE TO THE DRUG TESTING, THE SAME TESTING USED IN THE SHANE MOSLEY FIGHT. WE JUST HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE SPORT AND IF, AND WHEN, MANNY PACQUIAO DECIDES TO TAKE THE SAME INTEREST IN THE PURITY OF THE SPORT, THIS FIGHT WILL HAPPEN."

Floyd and his entire team would have to be the dumbest motherfuckers in the history of the earth not to come out with that press release!!!!!!!!!!!! Using drug testing as an excuse worked with a decent amount of the public the first time, why wouldn't they use it again.



What did Floyd and his team do?

Silence for a few days and then claim there was no negotiations. Would you have come out with your first statement saying there was NO NEGOTIATIONS if there were negotiations and drug testing was the hangup?????????


Now that t HBO said there were negotiations, it is going to be put out there that it was Pac's fault. This is all bullshit on Floyd's part.

Victor-I don't trust Arum either, but if drug testing was the thing preventing the fight, I would have to think broken record Mayweather and his camp would have come out saying that was so (immediately). Especially in light of the fact that drug testing was accepted by alot of the public as a good excuse the first time.

captainanddew wrote:

If the drug testing were the hangup, meaning both sides had agreed to everything but the drug testing, then wouldn't Floyd and his team have responded after Arum's deadline with the following:

"WE NEGOTIATED AND WE COULDN'T AGREE TO THE DRUG TESTING, THE SAME TESTING USED IN THE SHANE MOSLEY FIGHT. WE JUST HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE SPORT AND IF, AND WHEN, MANNY PACQUIAO DECIDES TO TAKE THE SAME INTEREST IN THE PURITY OF THE SPORT, THIS FIGHT WILL HAPPEN."

Floyd and his entire team would have to be the dumbest motherfuckers in the history of the earth not to come out with that press release!!!!!!!!!!!! Using drug testing as an excuse worked with a decent amount of the public the first time, why wouldn't they use it again.



What did Floyd and his team do?

Silence for a few days and then claim there was no negotiations. Would you have come out with your first statement saying there was NO NEGOTIATIONS if there were negotiations and drug testing was the hangup?????????


Now that t HBO said there were negotiations, it is going to be put out there that it was Pac's fault. This is all bullshit on Floyd's part.

Victor-I don't trust Arum either, but if drug testing was the thing preventing the fight, I would have to think broken record Mayweather and his camp would have come out saying that was so. Especially in light of the fact that drug testing was accepted by alot of the public as a good excuse the first time.

That depends on what went on behind closed doors: If they were only playing phone tag, I would have said there was no negotiations from the get go and not let it get as far as it did. But I have never accused Mayweather and company of being particularly intelligent, especially with dealing with the media and public perception. I don't think Floyd gets it, and he probably never will. Bob Arum on the other hand is a master at playing the media and the public.

It seems to me that they are not saying much because there is nothing to say. I don't believe the talks got far at all, and all the media reports were all nonsense. I don't believe any of it. All they did was play phone tag. It's pathetic that they (the media) tried to pass that off as negotiations and get us all excited.

This fight was never close to being signed, and they knew it. They took us for one big ride. Guarantee you they did not agree to full random testing, and I guarantee the talks were never taken seriously by Mayweather as a result. I seriously doubt there is a single document that required signatures. It was all a big smoke screen to cover-up the fact that in reality, nothing was going on and the talks weren't remotely close to being anywhere near finished.

In short: They are all lying bastards who got us excited for nothing. Fuck 'em all, seriously. Thank the boxing Gods for the Super Six Tournament.


Almost forgot: WARD NATION BABY!!!!

Phone tag. HBO's top guy, the head fucking honcho, was talking to both sides. Do you really think he would be wasting his time if there wasn't significant negotiations going on???

He came out in his statement and said there were negotiations. By doing so he stuck it to Floyd's side!!!!!!

Now Arum said they basically had a deal in place. HBO's guy was talking to both sides. If he felt that wasn't true, wouldn't he stick it to Arum as well????

captainanddew wrote:

Phone tag. HBO's top guy, the head fucking honcho, was talking to both sides. Do you really think he would be wasting his time if there wasn't significant negotiations going on???

He came out in his statement and said there were negotiations. By doing so he stuck it to Floyd's side!!!!!!

Now Arum said they basically had a deal in place. HBO's guy was talking to both sides. If he felt that wasn't true, wouldn't he stick it to Arum as well????

Arum saying there is a deal in place, is completely different from what the HBO guy said. Negotiating doesn't mean all deal points are agreed to and a deal is basically in place.

Greenburg stuck it to both sides. Both sides are lying as I said.

Mayweather team was lying about 'no negotiations' when there were talks going on. Arum was lying about a deal being in place, when in reality it probably wasn't close. The media ate it up and we got taken for a ride.

It's fucking lame.

WARD NATION!!!

Arum said both sides agreed in principal and Floyd had to approve it. I believe him based on Oscar's comments.

Floyd doesn't want the fight and his camp are spinning any lie they can think of to try and preserve his image.

Canvas wrote:

Arum said both sides agreed in principal and Floyd had to approve it. I believe him based on Oscar's comments.

Floyd doesn't want the fight and his camp are spinning any lie they can think of to try and preserve his image.

Very well possible man. I definitely believe Mayweather is lying, but I guess it's all just speculation in regard to the extent of the lies. It's fucking frustrating and disappointing, and man.... just bad for boxing. I can't believe these people can be so selfish.


Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually believe what the leading people in boxing say about potential fights?



What do you think about Andre Ward vs Andre Dirrell? I am going homer all the way with Andre Ward. SOG is the real deal. I think he gets in Dirrell's kitchen where he's not going to be comfortable.

Ward Nation!!!

We are left to read what is reported and analyze what we know. To me, the most logical conclusion is that Floyd is the reason the fight is not occurring. He didn't come out and say a word about the drug testing. He said he was enjoying his family, vacationing, blah blah blah.

Last time around, Floyd and his team were throwing the drug testing out there every day.

This time around he didn't come out with that.

Floyd doesn't want to fight the rest of this year it seems. Is that because he is scared of Pac? Is that because of Roger's legal troubles? I'm not trying to figure it out.

captainanddew wrote:

We are left to read what is reported and analyze what we know. To me, the most logical conclusion is that Floyd is the reason the fight is not occurring. He didn't come out and say a word about the drug testing. He said he was enjoying his family, vacationing, blah blah blah.

Last time around, Floyd and his team were throwing the drug testing out there every day.

This time around he didn't come out with that.

Floyd doesn't want to fight the rest of this year it seems. Is that because he is scared of Pac? Is that because of Roger's legal troubles? I'm not trying to figure it out.

If that was the case he should have just come out with it from the get go. Keeping his mouth shut not only was bad for his image, if he cares, but annoying for the public as well for getting dragged along in a media frenzy, for basically a non-story/non-fight. Just be up front, you know?


Either way, f 'em...... Ward vs Dirrell? What you think?

ill go with ward..UD by 3 points at least.

I favor Ward. He has the ability to adjust to his opponent. Dirrell has fast hands and feet(both probably slightly faster than Ward, which is really saying something!!). Ward has good timing and he understands distance better than 98% of the boxers on the planet. Fight will be relatively even for 5-6 rounds, then Ward will adapt and take over in the 2nd half of the fight.

Honestly I don't care about this fight anymore, this whole saga has done nothing but damage the sport.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Honestly I don't care about this fight anymore, this whole saga has done nothing but damage the sport.

I care about the fight still and am upset it hasn't been made. For the record, both guys are to blame for not making the fight. It's that simple. No need to make this into the ESPN board.

Ward by TKO.

Gumby wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Honestly I don't care about this fight anymore, this whole saga has done nothing but damage the sport.

I care about the fight still and am upset it hasn't been made. For the record, both guys are to blame for not making the fight. It's that simple. No need to make this into the ESPN board.

Ward by TKO.

Man I hope so. I think Dirrell is probably a little faster, but he is just too uncomfortable when guys take away his space for my taste. I think Ward is good enough to box on the outside with Dirrell, but when he gets in his chest I think Dirrell is going to have some problems. Ward is clearly the superior inside fighter. Captaindew made an excellent point about Ward really knowing how to control distance. Could be a major factor in this match up.

I think Ward roughs him up a little bit, but I don't know if he knocks him out or not. Unless Dirrell shows us something new with his inside skills and toughness, I think he is in for a long night.

WArd all the way. Dirrell will embarrass himself further.