Random Drug Testing Still the Major Hang Up w/ Manny vs Floyd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkw3M3KD7Vw

Start at the 3:00 mark

Until Pacquiao agrees to random blood and urine tests, you really should not be surprised that the fight is not getting made. Manny Pacquiao did not agree to take the random blood and urine tests this time around either despite Bob Arum's claim that all the deal points were worked out. Vivek Wallace has a nice video where he talks about why negotiations never got serious. Essentially, the negotiations were over before they even started and we were just being taken for a ride by the media and Bob Arum's countdown clock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsNxTsDBqQY --- Great Video and Opinion

This issue has been made pretty clear since the night of May 1st. Where people are getting this ludicrous idea that Manny has "agreed to all of Mayweather's terms" is beyond me. They have yet to agree to random blood and urine tests, and that is why the fight is not getting made. Having a "cut-off date" does not constitute as a random testing method. Either Pacquiao or Mayweather is going to have to back off their stance, and it does not look like that is happening any time soon.

This is going to be like Hagler vs Leonard all over again. It's going to take 3+ years before these guys ever agree on a contract. Manny Pacquiao is never going to agree to be randomly tested from what it looks like and Mayweather is not budging off his stance. Both of these guys are divas, and let's be real people: Just like Leonard vs Hagler: This fight is never going to happen until they are forced to or run out of excuses or money.

Uncle Roger's trial, Family vacation, the IRS, already made enough money, aannnnndd now back to blood tests. What excuses will they come up with next for our amusement?

This fight probably never happens. I've said it all along.

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

I am suspicious of PacDiva's reaction to random blood testing. I have no problem with Mayrunner demanding mutual testing.

That aside, what PacBoy has done is absolutely amazing and in stark contrast to the underachievement of Mayweather. There is no question who has compiled the more impressive career.

I'm just sick to death of both of these bitches, and have no interest in their proposed fight.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

Who said anything about sympathize?

Both guys are divas, and neither of them is backing off their stance. That was kind of the point: Negotiations were never serious and were over before they even started. We were all just taken for a big ride by the media and Bob Arum's countdown clock.

Until the drug testing issue is officially worked out, you can pretty much ignore EVERY other report out there about negotiations. Like I said: This is probably going to be Leonard vs Hagler all over again where we have to wait 3-4 years for the fight to actually get made.

Canvas wrote:

I am suspicious of PacDiva's reaction to random blood testing. I have no problem with Mayrunner demanding mutual testing.

That aside, what PacBoy has done is absolutely amazing and in stark contrast to the underachievement of Mayweather. There is no question who has compiled the more impressive career.

I'm just sick to death of both of these bitches, and have no interest in their proposed fight.

See if I were Manny and some a-hole tried to single me out as a cheater? I'll be damned if I'd put millions in his pocket. Don't reward bad bahavior. Now had Floyd done it right and said "Manny, please join me in trying to clean up the sport by co-signing an approach to NSAC requesting Olympic style testing for us and everyone who fights on our cards as a first step to testing all fighters?" I'd be a hell of a lot more sympathetic.

As it is? Floyd's approach is nothing short of scummy.

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

+1

Even Roger said there would be a cutoff date, so the random testing BS is just that BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Well I believe it’s going to be a cutoff date because number one, a guy ain’t going to take no test no week before no fight and then go and take a test right after the fight."

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=24350&more=1

victor879 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

Who said anything about sympathize?

Both guys are divas, and neither of them is backing off their stance. That was kind of the point: Negotiations were never serious and were over before they even started. We were all just taken for a big ride by the media.

Until the drug testing issue is officially worked out, you can pretty much ignore EVERY other report out there about negotiations. Like I said: This is probably going to be Leonard vs Hagler all over again where we have to wait 3-4 years for the fight to actually get made.

In my view you are making a fundamental mistake. You are equating a reasonable approach with an unreasonable one.

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

victor879 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

Who said anything about sympathize?

Both guys are divas, and neither of them is backing off their stance. That was kind of the point: Negotiations were never serious and were over before they even started. We were all just taken for a big ride by the media.

Until the drug testing issue is officially worked out, you can pretty much ignore EVERY other report out there about negotiations. Like I said: This is probably going to be Leonard vs Hagler all over again where we have to wait 3-4 years for the fight to actually get made.

In my view you are making a fundamental mistake. You are equating a reasonable approach with an unreasonable one.

Were the Hagler vs Leonard negotiations reasonable?

Sorry old man, I'm just trying to make sense of all this nonsense.

victor879 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

victor879 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

Who said anything about sympathize?

Both guys are divas, and neither of them is backing off their stance. That was kind of the point: Negotiations were never serious and were over before they even started. We were all just taken for a big ride by the media.

Until the drug testing issue is officially worked out, you can pretty much ignore EVERY other report out there about negotiations. Like I said: This is probably going to be Leonard vs Hagler all over again where we have to wait 3-4 years for the fight to actually get made.

In my view you are making a fundamental mistake. You are equating a reasonable approach with an unreasonable one.

Were the Hagler vs Leonard negotiations reasonable?

Sorry old man, I'm just trying to make sense of all this nonsense.

Hagler was more than reasonable. Leonard was a douche.

Today Floyd is making Ray look like a choirboy.

47 is freaking old, isn't it?

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See if I were Manny and some a-hole tried to single me out as a cheater? I'll be damned if I'd put millions in his pocket. Don't reward bad bahavior. Now had Floyd done it right and said "Manny, please join me in trying to clean up the sport by co-signing an approach to NSAC requesting Olympic style testing for us and everyone who fights on our cards as a first step to testing all fighters?" I'd be a hell of a lot more sympathetic.

As it is? Floyd's approach is nothing short of scummy. [/quote]


What you are saying is the way that Povetkin's camp went about it. Of course Wlad agreed and Povetkin still wouldn't climb in the ring. The big difference is that Mayweather is the sport's biggest draw, Povetkin isn't. But I agree with you, everything associated with Floyd or his outfit stinks. He is a vile, low class little scum bag.

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Were the Hagler vs Leonard negotiations reasonable?

Sorry old man, I'm just trying to make sense of all this nonsense.

Hagler was more than reasonable. Leonard was a douche.

Today Floyd is making Ray look like a choirboy.

47 is freaking old, isn't it?[/quote]

You aint old OG

And Floyd is beyond a douche with this crap

Dont say shit like this (starts at 2 min mark) and then NOT FIGHT

http://www.hbo.com/boxing#/boxing/fights/2010/05-01-shane-mosley-vs-floyd-mayweather/video/after-the-bell-mayweather-mosley.html/eNrjcmbOYM7XLMtMSc13zEvMqSzJTHbOzytJrShhLlTPz0mBCQYkpqf6JeamcjIysjGySSeWluQX5CRW2pYUlaayMQIAVKYXOA==

Canvas wrote:

See if I were Manny and some a-hole tried to single me out as a cheater? I'll be damned if I'd put millions in his pocket. Don't reward bad bahavior. Now had Floyd done it right and said "Manny, please join me in trying to clean up the sport by co-signing an approach to NSAC requesting Olympic style testing for us and everyone who fights on our cards as a first step to testing all fighters?" I'd be a hell of a lot more sympathetic.

As it is? Floyd's approach is nothing short of scummy. [/quote]


What you are saying is the way that Povetkin's camp went about it. Of course Wlad agreed and Povetkin still wouldn't climb in the ring. The big difference is that Mayweather is the sport's biggest draw, Povetkin isn't. But I agree with you, everything associated with Floyd or his outfit stinks. He is a vile, low class little scum bag.[/quote]

In general I am highly suspicious of world class athletes being clean. I suspect most guys are on something. Having said that, my suspicions exist entirely in my own head. I also think making unfounded allegations are simply a scummy and irresponsible way of acting. While I don't really think Olympic style testing is very effective it's better than nothing if equally applied to all fighters. Singling people out unless they have a demonstrated history of cheating is simply unjust.

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

Any topic regarding Pacquiao vs Mayweather is unfounded speculation. LOL

These two fuckers haven't exactly given us much accurate information or hope for a future fight.

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

Any topic regarding Pacquiao vs Mayweather is unfounded speculation. LOL

These two fuckers haven't exactly given us much accurate information or hope for a future fight.

Tough to argue with that I think.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

This is all so much bullshit. There is not an IOTA of evidence Manny is using and we are supposed to sympathize with a fighter who has a history of not making the best possible fights? Spare me.

...marble i agree..manny i strongly feel is clean..its mayweathkeeps changing this blood test nonsence..manny both times HAS agreeded to testing .the nonsence by all of floyds overenthusiastic suppoters are the ones saying he did not want testing lol afraid of needles...the first fight pac agreeded to rahdom urine testing up untill fight day and blood testing 21 days before..floyd wanted a 14 day cutoff on blood..yes thats argreement by floyd for a cutoff date..
now he gets wind of manny saying to advisors lets do the 14 day thing..i can recuoperated and get back on tract for the fight..floyd right after the mosley fight changes his position and says no fight unless random blood testing up to the date of the fight..thoses are 100 percent accurate facts..its floyd not manny avoiding the fight...by the way a blood test after the fight is included..litterly no time for either fighter to take roids efectively and cycle them..it leaves at best a 5 day window to do so and on only a few peds and thoses few are for weight gain.look it up on the net yourself folks..thats with a 14 day cutoff
im not going to for the 5th time explain a mental phobia with examples..manny believes it weakens him for a few days..ill buy that phyc since i worked in a pyhc ward for 4 years...
if folks stoped taking there head off floyds dick 3 times a day and then maybe they will realize whats realy going on here..a perfect example is all the espn posts and threads on this bullshit by the dozens daily by floyds dick suckers calling a guy a cheater cause some crack head moron who has difficulty saying a 4 words sentence that dont include mfker as a word.
again silence for over 2 months and 10 days after a so called deadline by floyd and his folks says it all..now either fight by commisions rules or retire..floyd and company have tarnish a mans reputation and you had the chance to fight under your testing rules but keep changing it..retire you phoney..fighters fight in the ring not in the media..

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

Any topic regarding Pacquiao vs Mayweather is unfounded speculation. LOL

These two fuckers haven't exactly given us much accurate information or hope for a future fight.

I agree, but don't you think the title of this thread is a bit misleading?

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

Any topic regarding Pacquiao vs Mayweather is unfounded speculation. LOL

These two fuckers haven't exactly given us much accurate information or hope for a future fight.

I agree, but don't you think the title of this thread is a bit misleading?

I guess I could change it. I just put it there because it seems there is a lot of talk like Manny actually agreed to the testing and all that when in fact, he has not. It is still the major issue holding the fight up.

Bob Arum said "All the deal points were agreed to" and people started jumping like the drug testing issue was worked out. We got lied to, again......

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

victor879 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I couldn't be bothered to click on your links- who are these sources you are drawing on?

First one is nothing big: just Floyd after the Mosley fight saying: "No random drug tests, no fight" basically.

The second one is of Vivek Wallace who made a nice breakdown and opinion on the fight negotiations. I happen to agree with a lot of his points so I linked the video.

Ok thanks. Then really this whole original topic has no credibility, and is just unfounded speculation.

Any topic regarding Pacquiao vs Mayweather is unfounded speculation. LOL

These two fuckers haven't exactly given us much accurate information or hope for a future fight.

I agree, but don't you think the title of this thread is a bit misleading?

I guess I could change it. I just put it there because it seems there is a lot of talk like Manny actually agreed to the testing and all that when in fact, he has not. It is still the major issue holding the fight up.

Bob Arum said "All the deal points were agreed to" and people started jumping like the drug testing issue was worked out. We got lied to, again......

But it isn't the major issue. The major issue is Floyd taking a year plus off.

People look at the size thing, the 106 to 147; Dougie Fisher said in his mailbag recently that yes it is impressive what Pac has done, but he when he was at 126 he should have been at 130. By the time he moved to 130, he probably should have been at 135. He moved up quickly from 135 to 140. That is where he probably should be.




His power comes from the speed. He hit a shot ODH, Cotto, and Clottey with fast shots.

Why should he take a fucking test? It is bullshit. He never has tested positive for a damn thing. Floyd is a fucking coward.

Victor, why should someone have to jump through hoops just to satisfy Floyd's bitch ass???

Floyd is a scared ass coward. A fucking bitch. Dodging a fight I believe he should and will win. He is full of shit.

It's a hang up because Manny agreed to it and called Floyd's bluff. Manny should have done this from the jump but he didn't and looked bad in some (not mine) peoples eyes. Now he's agreed to Floyd's demands and Floyd who coming off of a career year in earnings doesn't want to step in the ring with Manny. $65,000,000 in my pocket might make me step away also. I just wish he'd say he doesn't want to fight anyone anymore then to dangle the carrot in front of the fans faces. This fight and two more after it would make Floyd, win or lose, the richest non heavyweight in history, for a guy who calls himself Money I can't understand why he wouldn't want to cement that legacy.