Looks like another catchweight fight for Pacquiao

By Jhonny Gonzalez

The talks are over and the wait is on for opponent who will face Manny Pacquiao in his next fight on November 13. Top Rank CEO Bob Arum has spoken to the management of Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, the fight proposals have gone to Pacquiao and a decision is expected by this coming Monday.

"Probably by Monday we should have a decision," Arum said to Lester Jimenez. "I spoke with both parties. The two proposals are going to Pacquiao. Now it all depends on what [Pacquiao] decides. [Mayweather] says he is on vacation, we can not wait for him."

The talk going on right now is for Pacquiao's next fight to take place outside of the United States, in either Abu Dhabi or Mexico. Pacquiao's next fight will take place in the junior middleweight division, for Cotto's WBA title or against Margarito for the vacant WBC title. A catch-weight is expected for either fight, probably around 150 to 151-pounds.


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Yawn.

ya this sucks no one will cae and it will do under a mill

I can't buy a PPV against a guy already handily beaten (Cotto) or a guy that got KO'd, sat for a year, fought a comeback fight, and looked bad in it it (Margarito).

Neither guy has demonstrated the form that makes them a worthy PPV opponent.

I hate all his damn catch weight demands. If you want the 154 pound title why make the guy weigh less then the limit? Total BS imo.

Pac is a guy who could probably make 135, definitely should be at 140. I commend him for fighting above his best weights, but I too am a bit tired of the the catchweights. If he is going to fight above his best weight, he should just take the guys on. Don't handicap them by doing the catchweight.

If he is going to do that then just fight at 140 against Bradley, Khan, etc.... I wouldn't begrudge the man if he fought there.

im not oposed to whats refered to as a catchweight fight.its been done for years.there was no bitching when ray leanord fought a phoney LH strapholder and a stiff named donnie lelond at 168 lbs .well under the LH limit.to add insult to injury i believe that fight also created the 168 lb division and title.2 titles both BS at the same time and a far lesser fighter than cotto and margo..i am like all of us strongly oposed to either fight.by the way since the last several years cotto and margo have been welters the 151 lbs isnt going to drain them a bit..
on ppv i think we are overlooking whats a success or not or a good number.cotto fight is claimed wont do a million..is a million the lowest number for success..hardly not..oscar along with tyson are the big stars of ppv..oscar made both pac and floyd a ppv star...before oscar floyds ppv average was 353 000 a fight.thats right..pac just 5 fights ago against diaz weighed 132 lbs and 135 i feel masxes him out unless he does what he does in traing which is devour calories..the diaz fight did 250 000 ppvs..yep.thats it..oscar made them both...the cotto fight will do 800 000 to 1.1 million.hardley a flop.40-55 million or more in ppv numbers and yes 60 000 fans or more in dallas..margo may draw 600-800 thousand or 30 to 40 million or more plus if held in a big city in mexico a crowd of 60-80 000 is a possibilty...
out the window goes arums BS that a bradley or williams or berto wont sell tickets outside of ridding on pacs coattails..well the cash cows did that to a certain degree with oscar..any of thoses fights will draw as much and more likekly moore than a cotto or margo fight and arum knows that..this is amoung the worst excuses why so and so dont fight fighter All INVOLVED TOP RANK GOLDEN BOY ETC ETC HAVE TURNED THERE BACK ON WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE MAIN REASON TO MAKE A FIGHT.now they come up with excuses invalid one i may add to keep a less desireable fight in there stables..

Miguel is going to agree to another silly catchweight, good lord that kid is dumb.

ali why is he dumb..hes a welter anyway..151 dont hurt him..a rematch for revenge so to speak plus at least a 8 million dollar paycheck after all is said and done..dumb i dont think so..

He's dumb for bending over and allowing Manny,Freddie and co to dictate all the terms again just for a paycheck.

the numbers dont lie..the cotto fight lets say bo0mbs by this boards standards does 800 000 ppvs at 50 a pop.thats 40 mill..20 goes to hbo 20 to arums and the boys.arum takes 4 mill for his end and pac and cotto split up the 16 mil .11 for pac 5 for cotto..jones puts up lets say a 10 mill gaurentee.another 7 for pac another .3for cotto..thats 18 mil for pac and 8 for cotto..

Ali_1748 wrote:

He's dumb for bending over and allowing Manny,Freddie and co to dictate all the terms again just for a paycheck.

....whats freddie got to do with negotiations..151 lbs is not unreasonable.if thats dictating terms then pull a floyd and say your on vacation ..toss away 8 million fight elsewhere for 1.5..yep would you lose 2 or 3 pounds for 6 million more dollars since you started at 140 lbs and are now a true welterweight..if you were the head of cottos management team your telling me you would advise him to say no..ok miguel say noo..

I think it ends up being Margarito in Mexico

A fight that shouldnt be made...

is not floyd dictating far more unreasonable terms to anyone to fight him..do the klitchkos dictake money terms well in there favor..

gomez your right..margo earned nothing..at least cotto did..others are more deserving and better competion no doubt.

if pac beats margo as many feel its a shallow victory..

captainanddew wrote:

Pac is a guy who could probably make 135, definitely should be at 140. I commend him for fighting above his best weights, but I too am a bit tired of the the catchweights. If he is going to fight above his best weight, he should just take the guys on. Don't handicap them by doing the catchweight.

If he is going to do that then just fight at 140 against Bradley, Khan, etc.... I wouldn't begrudge the man if he fought there.

So the little guy, who I agree could make 135 should bear 100% of the burden against guys naturally 2-3 divisions heavier?

A little perspective here guys. He'll be in his ELEVENTH division.

marble exactly..and 150 or 151 dont drain either cotto or margo since both fought at welters for years and 147 is there weight division..there is nothing unreasonable in pacs or arums request..if cotto didnt have a strap and there was no vacancy at 154 for another strap these fights then would be made at 147 for pacs belt and noo one will bitch at that weight.the extra 3 or 4 pounds benefits both cotto and margo and gives pac a little more disadvantage.period..yet there condeming pac for fighting bigger guys yet make excuses in the past why floyd should not fight williams at 154 for example..hes too big..yet cotto and margo arent viewed as too big..what gives here folks..again if a vacant strap wasnt avalible the fight would be at 147 not 151 and noo bitching by anyone at that weight..theres no logic to it..a natural 135 lb fighter fighting guys at 150 151 and they condem pac..instead of giving him credit..incredable.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Miguel is going to agree to another silly catchweight, good lord that kid is dumb.

Cotto aint dumb. He would still make more money fighting Pac than anyone else.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Pac is a guy who could probably make 135, definitely should be at 140. I commend him for fighting above his best weights, but I too am a bit tired of the the catchweights. If he is going to fight above his best weight, he should just take the guys on. Don't handicap them by doing the catchweight.

If he is going to do that then just fight at 140 against Bradley, Khan, etc.... I wouldn't begrudge the man if he fought there.

So the little guy, who I agree could make 135 should bear 100% of the burden against guys naturally 2-3 divisions heavier?

A little perspective here guys. He'll be in his ELEVENTH division.

No one is forcing him to fight in his 11th division. I guess you can also say no one is forcing the fighters to agree to the catchweights. But it is getting tiresome now. Why not just fight at the 154 limit?

SlickMoneyXL wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Pac is a guy who could probably make 135, definitely should be at 140. I commend him for fighting above his best weights, but I too am a bit tired of the the catchweights. If he is going to fight above his best weight, he should just take the guys on. Don't handicap them by doing the catchweight.

If he is going to do that then just fight at 140 against Bradley, Khan, etc.... I wouldn't begrudge the man if he fought there.

So the little guy, who I agree could make 135 should bear 100% of the burden against guys naturally 2-3 divisions heavier?

A little perspective here guys. He'll be in his ELEVENTH division.

No one is forcing him to fight in his 11th division. I guess you can also say no one is forcing the fighters to agree to the catchweights. But it is getting tiresome now. Why not just fight at the 154 limit?

Because the burdens when two different sized guys meet oughtta be shared. What's the problem?

Because the burdens when two different sized guys meet oughtta be shared. What's the problem? [/quote]


Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145 but then fights Clottey at 147. Clottey and Cotto are about the same size wouldnt you say? It just seems that Pac is always looking for the easy way. And i know he's fighting in his 11th division but he's now had 3 fights at welterweight. I dont see why 3 or 4 pounds extra could change the outcome of the fight in this instance.

I am so sick of hearing younger fans complain about catch weights as if they're some sort of mortal sin, it just shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. There is nothing wrong with catchweights, especially in this case.

SlickMoneyXL wrote:

Because the burdens when two different sized guys meet oughtta be shared. What's the problem?

Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145 but then fights Clottey at 147. Clottey and Cotto are about the same size wouldnt you say? It just seems that Pac is always looking for the easy way. And i know he's fighting in his 11th division but he's now had 3 fights at welterweight. I dont see why 3 or 4 pounds extra could change the outcome of the fight in this instance. [/quote]

LOL! Manny is looking for the EASY WAY????????????? He's in his ELEVENTH FREAKING DIVISION! How many guys in history have excelled across eleven divisions or six of the original ones???????

If Manny is taking the EASY WAY then every other fighter around today who ISN"T moving up that much is what exactly?????

Canvas wrote:

I am so sick of hearing younger fans complain about catch weights as if they're some sort of mortal sin, it just shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. There is nothing wrong with catchweights, especially in this case.

Yup. They've been around for 125 years anyway. Names like Armstrong, Gans, Ross, Barbados Walcott, Leonard, Williams, Griffith, Gavilan, Norris, Tapia, Taylor and BHOP have fought in catchweight fights. Yet somehow they aren't legit?