5 Biggest Mistakes by the South in the Civil War

Will make my list you guys make yalls lets compare and exchange opinion

5. Firing Shots on Fort Sumter - ya the war had to start at some point, but was it really worth starting over something as little and unimportant as Fort Sumter. Makes sense that P.T. Beauregard, one of the worst generals in the war, started the war.

4. Everything Bloody Bill Robinson Did - alot of arguments are started over if the Civil War was really all over slavery or states rights or a mixture. Some argue the south were racists who didnt want to give up their "peculiar institute". Everything Bloody Bill Robinson and his band of guerillas did makes it hard to speak favorably about the South for 1 second. Known for "never taking prisoners", he left Union soldiers, and innocent civilians scalped, castrated, and often disfigured their faces. Killed over 20 colored soldiers who surrendered in a famous massacre. Was killed at 26. The deadliest playing field in the war was Missouri. Bloody Bill is one of the main reasons why. Jesse James served under him, and damn it cant think of the kids name but there was a 15 year old kid who became a folk legend and ran with the James Gang as well who got his start with Bloody Bill.

3. Someone Shoots Stonewall Jackson at Chancellorsville -At Chancellorsville the most important military mind for the south, not including Robert E. Lee, was shot..................by his own men. Oooops

2. Lee Goes after Washington at Gettysburg - Lee's last attempt to get to Washington, and man has it lived in emphamy.

1. Electing Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy - would have been better off electing a blind donkey. Refused to believe the war was over or listen to Lee on key matters (like recruiting colored soldiers). It is fitting that he was caught wearing one of his wifes dresses.

WAR YANKEES!

I think the funniest thing is on youtube any mention of civil war starts huge race war, my favorite thing though is idiots that are like "General Sherman was a criminal"

its like wait a minute, you fucks unconstitutionally try to succede (ya thats right not in constitution and they didnt take it up with the Supreme Court) you start a big fucking war, cost billions kill, hundreds of thousands, GET TO COME BACK LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! And the guy that whipped yalls asses into submission is a criminal???????
those people need to......
Step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

and thats coming from a proud texan!

Birdofthad wrote:

Will make my list you guys make yalls lets compare and exchange opinion

5. Firing Shots on Fort Sumter - ya the war had to start at some point, but was it really worth starting over something as little and unimportant as Fort Sumter. Makes sense that P.T. Beauregard, one of the worst generals in the war, started the war.

4. Everything Bloody Bill Robinson Did - alot of arguments are started over if the Civil War was really all over slavery or states rights or a mixture. Some argue the south were racists who didnt want to give up their "peculiar institute". Everything Bloody Bill Robinson and his band of guerillas did makes it hard to speak favorably about the South for 1 second. Known for "never taking prisoners", he left Union soldiers, and innocent civilians scalped, castrated, and often disfigured their faces. Killed over 20 colored soldiers who surrendered in a famous massacre. Was killed at 26. The deadliest playing field in the war was Missouri. Bloody Bill is one of the main reasons why. Jesse James served under him, and damn it cant think of the kids name but there was a 15 year old kid who became a folk legend and ran with the James Gang as well who got his start with Bloody Bill.

3. Someone Shoots Stonewall Jackson at Chancellorsville -At Chancellorsville the most important military mind for the south, not including Robert E. Lee, was shot..................by his own men. Oooops

2. Lee Goes after Washington at Gettysburg - Lee's last attempt to get to Washington, and man has it lived in emphamy.

1. Electing Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy - would have been better off electing a blind donkey. Refused to believe the war was over or listen to Lee on key matters (like recruiting colored soldiers). It is fitting that he was caught wearing one of his wifes dresses.

Ever choosing to fight it. The South had no shot. No industrial capacity, no Navy, too small a population. Lee, Forrest, Jackson etc. did an amazing job making it last as long as it did.

Birdofthad wrote:

I think the funniest thing is on youtube any mention of civil war starts huge race war, my favorite thing though is idiots that are like "General Sherman was a criminal"

its like wait a minute, you fucks unconstitutionally try to succede (ya thats right not in constitution and they didnt take it up with the Supreme Court) you start a big fucking war, cost billions kill, hundreds of thousands, GET TO COME BACK LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! And the guy that whipped yalls asses into submission is a criminal???????
those people need to......
Step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

and thats coming from a proud texan!

See I think you're dead wrong about the Constitutional issue. If a state voted voluntarily to join the Union in the first place, why couldn't they voluntarily choose to leave?

You REALLY need to read the Federalist Papers. The Feds don't get all power EXCEPT those listed in the Constitution, the FEDS get ONLY the powers listed. Read the ninth and tenth amendments.

completely agree marble I almost but taht in the Sumter title but your right they were retarded to think they could jsut walk away and that the war would be over in a couple months (which is waht both sides thought prior to the battle of Bull Run)

Birdofthad wrote:

completely agree marble I almost but taht in the Sumter title but your right they were retarded to think they could jsut walk away and that the war would be over in a couple months (which is waht both sides thought prior to the battle of Bull Run)

One of the real problems was that technology had outstripped tactics by 50+ years. Heck most generals in 1914 were making the same mistakes Burnside, Grant and Hood made in 1862-4.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

I think the funniest thing is on youtube any mention of civil war starts huge race war, my favorite thing though is idiots that are like "General Sherman was a criminal"

its like wait a minute, you fucks unconstitutionally try to succede (ya thats right not in constitution and they didnt take it up with the Supreme Court) you start a big fucking war, cost billions kill, hundreds of thousands, GET TO COME BACK LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! And the guy that whipped yalls asses into submission is a criminal???????
those people need to......
Step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

and thats coming from a proud texan!

See I think you're dead wrong about the Constitutional issue. If a state voted voluntarily to join the Union in the first place, why couldn't they voluntarily choose to leave?

You REALLY need to read the Federalist Papers. The Feds don't get all power EXCEPT those listed in the Constitution, the FEDS get ONLY the powers listed. Read the ninth and tenth amendments.

true but maybe im wrong, but no where in the constitution does it say, you can sign on here and leave as you please

only Texas was smart enough to negotiate that into their joining of the US if I remember correctly

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

completely agree marble I almost but taht in the Sumter title but your right they were retarded to think they could jsut walk away and that the war would be over in a couple months (which is waht both sides thought prior to the battle of Bull Run)

One of the real problems was that technology had outstripped tactics by 50+ years. Heck most generals in 1914 were making the same mistakes Burnside, Grant and Hood made in 1862-4.

yep and the mini ball being invented definitely lead to the huge death count

Birdofthad wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

I think the funniest thing is on youtube any mention of civil war starts huge race war, my favorite thing though is idiots that are like "General Sherman was a criminal"

its like wait a minute, you fucks unconstitutionally try to succede (ya thats right not in constitution and they didnt take it up with the Supreme Court) you start a big fucking war, cost billions kill, hundreds of thousands, GET TO COME BACK LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! And the guy that whipped yalls asses into submission is a criminal???????
those people need to......
Step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

and thats coming from a proud texan!

See I think you're dead wrong about the Constitutional issue. If a state voted voluntarily to join the Union in the first place, why couldn't they voluntarily choose to leave?

You REALLY need to read the Federalist Papers. The Feds don't get all power EXCEPT those listed in the Constitution, the FEDS get ONLY the powers listed. Read the ninth and tenth amendments.

true but maybe im wrong, but no where in the constitution does it say, you can sign on here and leave as you please

only Texas was smart enough to negotiate that into their joining of the US if I remember correctly

It says ANY rights not enumerated to the Feds are retained by the states or the people. I see no reason why that would exclude secession. It's pretty compelling that in the Declaration the Continental Congress in Jefferson's words said that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish a government isn't it?

ya thats good point but didnt the Federalist 10 get replaced by the Constitution???

I should know this my pops has a James Madison autograph

Birdofthad wrote:

ya thats good point but didnt the Federalist 10 get replaced by the Constitution???

I should know this my pops has a James Madison autograph

It's NOT Federalist #10 that says that, it is the tenth Amendment to the Consitution. The Fedralist papers explain the Constitution.

I agree with the general idea that they were lucky to have lasted as long as they did with their undeveloped industrial complex.

Man if the Northern States could see the depth of Federalism nowdays though they'd probably wanna walk too.

another big mistake on the Souths part was the COtton is King ....ya in the South, not the rest of the world

marble though since Federal Court out ways state court isnt the argument over when Fed Court rules to not let them succede?

Birdofthad wrote:

another big mistake on the Souths part was the COtton is King ....ya in the South, not the rest of the world

marble though since Federal Court out ways state court isnt the argument over when Fed Court rules to not let them succede?

There was never a Federal Court case. Read the language on 9 and 10 and tell me where the prohibition on secession is found.

Lincoln going to war over this is one of the many wise, and illegal, things he did while President.

hadnt the COuntry basically fallen apart on Buchanans watch though?

The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court noted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified."

ok makes sense but gotta agree to disagree on smacking the south down when they tried to "rise" as being a bad thing

funny the south used the Constitution as an excuse for slavery

found this thought it was itneresting read

When the Constitution was being framed, the drafters deliberately gave Congress the power to declare war (rather than to "make" war). They wanted the president to be able to act on his own if the country was attacked. In Lincoln's case, a third of the country was in hostile hands, and a U.S. fort had been attacked and taken by hostile troops. Rather than acting like an imperial president, he then turned to Congress for approval. Ironically, his actions came closer to complying with the standards of the War Powers Resolution, over a century before it was passed, than most presidents have done in the modern era.

Under international law, which the Supreme Court of the time had recognized as applying to our government, a nation at war is entitled to seize the property of its enemies whenever doing so is needed for the war effort. Early in the Civil War, the Court had held that this doctrine was applicable to Confederate shipping. Lincoln had strong arguments that the South could only be defeated by abolishing slavery. So he was able to rely on his war powers as commander-in-chief to justify this seizure of Southern "property." He was also deeply opposed to slavery as a moral matter, but he did not believe that this moral belief was a legal basis for acting.

In the early days of the war, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus because of the threat that rebellion in Maryland would cut Washington off from the rest of the country. Chief Justice Taney (who was acting independently of the rest of the Supreme Court) said that only Congress could suspend habeas (though Congress wasn't in session), and ordered Lincoln to release one of the prisoners. Lincoln's refusal is probably unique in American history. There's a possible technical legal defense of Lincoln's refusal, which I discuss in the book. More fundamentally, though, Lincoln's position was that suspending habeas corpus was essential to the survival of the country. This argument that circumstances justified disobeying the judiciary sounds radical but it was actually quite limited—Lincoln pointed to the extreme threat to the nation posed by secession, and he also made it clear that he was ready to answer for any violations of the law if Congress didn't back him up.

Of course, we can only speculate, but I think Lincoln's exercises of power were probably crucial at two junctures. First, in the early days of the war, the North would simply have been unable to respond to Fort Sumter if Lincoln had not made such aggressive use of his powers. After all, his predecessor James Buchanan had been much more of a strict constructionist, and had basically sat by passively while the lower South left the Union. In contrast, Lincoln called up militia forces, expanded the regular army, declared a blockade on Southern ports, and suspended habeas to keep Washington from being isolated. Without these actions, the Confederacy would have won the war by default. Second, the Emancipation Proclamation may have tipped the balance at the end of the war, encouraging blacks to fight for the Union Army and discouraging British intervention on behalf of the South.

Birdofthad wrote:

The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court noted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified."

ok makes sense but gotta agree to disagree on smacking the south down when they tried to "rise" as being a bad thing

I don't think smacking the south down was a bad thing. But the NORTH was acting in an unconstitutional manner, not the south.

Birdofthad wrote:

hadnt the COuntry basically fallen apart on Buchanans watch though?

Not at all.

when i say fallen aart i meant the low south was succeeding and Buchanan did nothing?

maybe im wrong bout that

Birdofthad wrote:

when i say fallen aart i meant the low south was succeeding and Buchanan did nothing?

maybe im wrong bout that

That didn't happen until after Lincoln had been elected, but befor ehe'd been inaugurated. Back then Prez's didn't enter office until March.

ahhh gotchya thanks again for always clearing stuff up

ever heard the funny quote

"War never settles anything............except slavery and facism."

think the March to the Sea is the greatest military March in American History?

(when I say greatest I mean most effective and destructive)