HWY top 25

In response to the idea that HWY is totally thin, and that the top 25 would incluce a list of freakshows and has beens, I post my top 25(a loose collection but imo a solid counter argument).


1)Brock
2)Fedor
3)Carwin
4)Werdum
5)Cain
6)Jr
7)Overeem
8)Big Foot
9)Nelson
10)Barnett
11)Mir
12)Nog
13)Cro Cop
14)Rogers
15)Gonzaga
16)Kongo
17)Rothwell
18)Barry
19)Duffee
20)Russow
21)Del Rosario
22)Lashley
23)Couture
24)Sylvia
25)herring

HM Aleks, Hunt, Yvel, Rizzo, Monson, Choi, Kharitonov, Schaub

and I didn't even need to include Kimbo, Buentello, Al Turk, Sparks or Goodridge.


Again, a loose collection, I'd have to sort some guys out, and I prob missed some guys, but, I think it does a decent jjob in dispelling the notion as hwy as a completely flimsy division.

captain organic wrote:

In response to the idea that HWY is totally thin, and that the top 25 would incluce a list of freakshows and has beens, I post my top 25(a loose collection but imo a solid counter argument).


1)Brock
2)Fedor
3)Carwin
4)Werdum
5)Cain
6)Jr
7)Overeem
8)Big Foot
9)Nelson
10)Barnett
11)Mir
12)Nog
13)Cro Cop
14)Rogers
15)Gonzaga
16)Kongo
17)Rothwell
18)Barry
19)Duffee
20)Russow
21)Del Rosario
22)Lashley
23)Couture
24)Sylvia
25)herring

HM Aleks, Hunt, Yvel, Rizzo, Monson, Choi, Kharitonov, Schaub

and I didn't even need to include Kimbo, Buentello, Al Turk, Sparks or Goodridge.


Again, a loose collection, I'd have to sort some guys out, and I prob missed some guys, but, I think it does a decent jjob in dispelling the notion as hwy as a completely flimsy division.

You have Lashley listed over Randy Couture? Randy can beat almost everybody on this list and you put him at 23? On top of it all you listed Fedor over the guy who just beat him in under 2 minutes.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

captain organic wrote:

In response to the idea that HWY is totally thin, and that the top 25 would incluce a list of freakshows and has beens, I post my top 25(a loose collection but imo a solid counter argument).


1)Brock
2)Fedor
3)Carwin
4)Werdum
5)Cain
6)Jr
7)Overeem
8)Big Foot
9)Nelson
10)Barnett
11)Mir
12)Nog
13)Cro Cop
14)Rogers
15)Gonzaga
16)Kongo
17)Rothwell
18)Barry
19)Duffee
20)Russow
21)Del Rosario
22)Lashley
23)Couture
24)Sylvia
25)herring

HM Aleks, Hunt, Yvel, Rizzo, Monson, Choi, Kharitonov, Schaub

and I didn't even need to include Kimbo, Buentello, Al Turk, Sparks or Goodridge.


Again, a loose collection, I'd have to sort some guys out, and I prob missed some guys, but, I think it does a decent jjob in dispelling the notion as hwy as a completely flimsy division.

You have Lashley listed over Randy Couture? Randy can beat almost everybody on this list and you put him at 23? On top of it all you listed Fedor over the guy who just beat him in under 2 minutes.

excellent job at missing the point of the thread. I knew i could count on u Andrew.

I also forgot Pee Wee, a guy who I think highly of as a prospect coming into his own.

How many of these listed guys are serious potential contenders? I think you're missing the point. Still, the division isn't nearly as bad as three years ago.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

How many of these listed guys are serious potential contenders? I think you're missing the point. Still, the division isn't nearly as bad as three years ago.

I think 10 at least are serious contenders Wolf.

That's still really, really weak compared to the other divisions. Even the unestablished ones like bantamweight.

I would agree Chorky but hell its alot better than Boxings HW division!

Imagine how thin the divisions would be if they split heavyweight into two classes.

If there was a Cruiserweight division it wouldn't all be made of Heavyweights. It would be people like Jones and Rampage who are too big for Light-heavyweight.

Which makes it even worse of a situation.

Not only would it fracture HW needlessly but it would drain many fighters from LHW at a time when the division is as thin as it's ever been.

Ruin the two most important divisions in the sport to add "crusierweight"?

Ya that's not a ridiculously idiotic half-baked idea at all...

There isnt talk of a Cruiserweight division is there??

timthebim wrote:

I would agree Chorky but hell its alot better than Boxings HW division!

I definitely won't argue there.

Only on forums and only from people who witnessed a single fight between Lesnar and Couture and declared 265 pound monsters will rule forever. (nevermind Couture beat Sylvia and 250+ Gonzaga)

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Only on forums and only from people who witnessed a single fight between Lesnar and Couture and declared 265 pound monsters will rule forever. (nevermind Couture beat Sylvia and 250+ Gonzaga)

I've always thought it was weird that everybody assumed that Brock and Shane were gonna rule over the division because they were too big. Sure, they're definitely big, and it certainly helps them some, but it's not like they're unbeatable. And if someone, let's say Cain, gets Brock to the ground, he's not getting up immediately like some people think. It took him forever to get up when Shane was on him, and seeing how slow his hips are, that's the ticket to beating him. That or just beat his ass standing. Either way, Cain's got his number.

Premature kneejerk reactions are common among fanbases of all sports.

chorky777 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Only on forums and only from people who witnessed a single fight between Lesnar and Couture and declared 265 pound monsters will rule forever. (nevermind Couture beat Sylvia and 250+ Gonzaga)

I've always thought it was weird that everybody assumed that Brock and Shane were gonna rule over the division because they were too big. Sure, they're definitely big, and it certainly helps them some, but it's not like they're unbeatable. And if someone, let's say Cain, gets Brock to the ground, he's not getting up immediately like some people think. It took him forever to get up when Shane was on him, and seeing how slow his hips are, that's the ticket to beating him. That or just beat his ass standing. Either way, Cain's got his number.

It took him forever cause he was badly hurt. He weathered the storm and when he had his head right again he got up. It would have been a terrible decision for Brock to jump right back.

If Rothwell was able to get up then you can bet your ass Lesnar can find a way.

Rothwell has been fighting MMA for over ten years and has logged thousands of more hours in the gym off his back.

Rothwell also isn't an athletic specimen, and he got swept like three times by Yvel...

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Rothwell has been fighting MMA for over ten years and has logged thousands of more hours in the gym off his back.

Rothwell is a fucking punching bag LOL.

Ya I keep forgetting, Lesnar's athleticism make him immune to the need for talent, training, or skill. My mistake guys.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya I keep forgetting, Lesnar's athleticism make him immune to the need for talent, training, or skill. My mistake guys.

U saying the shit like Brock doesnt have talent, skill, or doesnt have traing is fucking nuts LOL. Brock probably works just as hard as any1 in the sport like it or nut Wolf. He will just keep on beating all ur favorite fighters and u will keep hating on the guy for a very long time!

timthebim wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya I keep forgetting, Lesnar's athleticism make him immune to the need for talent, training, or skill. My mistake guys.

U saying the shit like Brock doesnt have talent, skill, or doesnt have traing is fucking nuts LOL. Brock probably works just as hard as any1 in the sport like it or nut Wolf. He will just keep on beating all ur favorite fighters and u will keep hating on the guy for a very long time!

He's not saying he doesn't have talent or skill. He's pointing out that the reasons people give for Brock winning is because of his physical gifts. "He's too big, he's too strong, he's too fast." You rarely see, "He's been working on throwing a great straight right hand."

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