Carwin; Cardio was fine, body was not.

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Shane Carwin punished Brock Lesnar in the first round of their heavyweight title fight Saturday at UFC 116, but the onslaught may have also cost him the bout as he grew fatigued without finishing Lesnar.

“The game plan last night was to be patient and let the fight come to you,” Carwin wrote Sunday on his blog at http://www.shane-carwin.com. “When I had him in trouble, the ref (kept) saying he was going to stop it and then towards the end of the (first round), my body began to seize up. In between rounds I could not move my legs and had what felt like a whole body cramp. My cardio was fine, but my body was not. What can you do? You have to stand up and face your opponent.”

The second round was a much different story. Lesnar scored a takedown early, moved to mount briefly and then jumped to the side to submit Carwin with an arm-triangle choke at 2:19.

“Heading into the second, I knew I (needed) to finish the fight or I was going to be in trouble,” Carwin wrote. “Much like the champion he is, I am sure Brock was thinking the same thing. I had zero takedown defense, as my legs were dead to me and the rest is, as they say, history.”

The loss was Carwin’s first in 13 professional fights. He said on his blog that losing is what happens on the way to winning and promised to be back better than ever.

“Brock was a good guy through this entire fight,” Carwin wrote. “He did not talk a bunch of smack and he fought like a warrior. He did what he needed to do to keep his belt, and that is what being a champion is all about. I am going to have to claw my way back to the top, but I wouldn't want it any other way. I know I belong with the very best; all I need to do is prove it again.”

Why did he freeze up? Was it mental then? Who would have thought Lesnar would be mentally the stronger of the two.

hmmm, i still think it was a cardio thing. He wore himself out physically and the fact he did not finish the fight when the ref was soo close to stopping the fight probably wore him down mentally.

Think Carwin wins a rematch? I kind of consider this fight a reverse version of Fedor vs Werdum. I don't think the best fighter won either fight. I guess that is why MMA is great right?

I'm not sure if i would pick Carwin in a rematch. Thing about that is..Brock comes into a rematch much more carefully not boxing with him and probably looking to wear him down by grinding him until he can't defend the takedowns anymore...like Fedor probably won't follow an alert Werdum to the ground so recklessly again.

It was tough watching Carwin lose last night considering he appeared to be so superior until he blew out completely. If Carwin clips him again, he'll rock him again and that will open up Lesnar to get finished again. Just because he survived it once does not mean he'll survive it again...but i would expect Lesnar to come in with a shoot first mentality and while Carwin proved he can defend them for a bit,it would be hard to see Carwin beating Lesnar if Brock won't exchange with him. Brock is fairly smart when it comes to adjustments so far in his career, the adjustment against Carwin is simple..don't fuck with him on the feet.

Well it depends on what you consider the "best fighter". If you mean the guy with the best overall skills? Then I would say it is a split decision. Fedor obviously has more skill than Werdum, but I would disagree where Carwin is concerned. If you mean best game plan for the bout you are entering, then I would say Werdum is the best and Brock is too.

Brock is right when he says there is a difference between D1 and D2 level wrestling, because with the exception of a guy here or there, most D2 wrestlers cannot do well in D1. Wrestling is a martial art and it has a particular method to the madness. In addition, Brock won via a jui-jitsu technique so he has improved. Werdum who is arguably the best BJJ practitioner in MMA set up Fedor to bring him into his territory, knowing he would have a decisive advantage if Fedor jumped the gun early and he did. I think you underestimate Brock and I know we both underestimated Werdum, so in the statement that the best fighter didn't win either bout? Your theory is extremely flawed IMO.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Well it depends on what you consider the "best fighter". If you mean the guy with the best overall skills? Then I would say it is a split decision. Fedor obviously has more skill than Werdum, but I would disagree where Carwin is concerned. If you mean best game plan for the bout you are entering, then I would say Werdum is the best and Brock is too.

Brock is right when he says there is a difference between D1 and D2 level wrestling, because with the exception of a guy here or there, most D2 wrestlers cannot do well in D1. Wrestling is a martial art and it has a particular method to the madness. In addition, Brock won via a jui-jitsu technique so he has improved. Werdum who is arguably the best BJJ practitioner in MMA set up Fedor to bring him into his territory, knowing he would have a decisive advantage if Fedor jumped the gun early and he did. I think you underestimate Brock and I know we both underestimated Werdum, so in the statement that the best fighter didn't win either bout? Your theory is extremely flawed IMO.

Meant to give you a + and gave it to Kings. I owe ya. Kings post deserved one anyways!

i wonder if Carwin realizes when your body dies on you that that has to do with cardio

Its like no no it wasnt the cardio, i just lost my breathe, my body cramped up, and my mind spasmed

haha

its like someone in a cast going no no i didnt break my arm i just sort of tripped , fell, and the laws of gravity somehow snapped my bone

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If you mean best game plan for the bout you are entering, then I would say Werdum is the best and Brock is too.

Getting your face pounded mercilessly for a round while having a ref let the fight go when most others would have been stopped doesn't seem like the best game plan to me.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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If you mean best game plan for the bout you are entering, then I would say Werdum is the best and Brock is too.

Getting your face (ARMS) pounded mercilessly for a round while having a ref let the fight go when most others would have been stopped doesn't seem like the best game plan to me.

FIXED!

damn it i cant think who it was but there was a boxing fight a while back, where the guy fighting just said fuck it Im gonna hit this guys ars if i cant get to his head or body and it workedm, he beat the living shit out of his opponents arms

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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If you mean best game plan for the bout you are entering, then I would say Werdum is the best and Brock is too.

Getting your face pounded mercilessly for a round while having a ref let the fight go when most others would have been stopped doesn't seem like the best game plan to me.

I was actually thinking about getting your dumbass opponent wear himself out to the point the biggest contribution to the fight after round one was a wink. Carwin, did hurt him, we know, we have watched and seen pictures, but he didn't finish him. Brock did what he had to do to survive and he did. However, your arguing with me over the obvious which has forced me to defend Brock Lesnar makes you deserve and ass reaming, not that that would necessarily change anything in your life.

You're rambling now and make no sense.

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Brock is right when he says there is a difference between D1 and D2 level wrestling, because with the exception of a guy here or there, most D2 wrestlers cannot do well in D1.

You need to watch more MMA if you believe in inherent superiority in MMA of D1 guys over D2, Juco ect guys. Bones would toss Rashad around the cage. Carwin or Cain would be nearly immune to Cole Konrad's takedown attempts. GSP has no creds and will ragdoll Kos for a second time. Aaron Simpson was out wrestled by Chris Leben. Obviously many of the highest credentialed MMA wrestlers end up having the best MMA wrestling, but a lot of it is based on the style of wrestling. Ben Askren, King Mo and Joe Warren for instance. Cole Konrad on the other hand, not so much. He was nearly out wrestled by an average d3 wrestler who have up 30 pounds in Bellator a couple months ago, and he is a two time d1 champ. D1>D2 as a general rule is a huge error and a terrible over simplification. Build, style, training partners, cardio, atheticism and what you trained in your camp are all as important.

Lesnar wrestled ten years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Cain flat out out wrestled him if he had to.

Another reason for the whole body thing could have resulted from a bad weight cut and not rehydrating.

If Gramma had balls, she would be Granpa! Oldie, but a goodie!

I didnt think a guy like Carwin would come up with an excuse like thiis. Why couldnt he just say I got submitted end of story. He sounds like Allan Green after he lost.

? WTF?! You really think that you forget stuff drilled into you? You are fucking stupid! I got a voluntary recall to the Army 2 years ago, just to check retention and I along with 79% of my classmates kicked ass. I could still break down an m-16 as well as pass an M-4 test, which I have never fired. Drills are in place for a reason you stupid POS. You know what? quit speaking like you got laid by a girl who is not 14 and then we will have a real man-to-man chat, until that time, give it another fucking tug.

Andrew did your girlfriend dump you? You've been lashing out like that kid in dirty clothes in home room who threw his desk at the teacher once. You know the kid I'm talking about.

LA and I call eachother stupid all day long but you're just being a jerk here. Get it together because posts like this won't last much longer.

Birdofthad wrote:

its like someone in a cast going no no i didnt break my arm i just sort of tripped , fell, and the laws of gravity somehow snapped my bone

Lolllllllllllll.

This is all Carwin has said so far, and it was a text to mmajunkie I guess

"I felt Brock go out a few times, but it is the ref's job to call the fight, and mine is to finish the fight."

I don't think Brock ever went out, but that's me.

Carwin is still a badass

Ya I am sure he is frustrated the fight wasn't stopped when others have been for much less, but in title fights you have to almost KO your opponent in those situations to get the stoppage. It is hard to argue with a non stoppage if the other guy wins.

I never thought that fight should have been stopped. Obviously he was close, but in a title fight you don't stop it.

I do think Cardio played a role but the weight cut theory is a good one too.

I'll pick Carwin in the rematch, until he gassed, he outstruck, out wrestled, out everythinged Brock.