Lesnar aside, the UFC HW divsion isn't that much better than Strikeforce's.

Especially considering most of the best fighters in the UFC have just a few top ten wins between them. Carwin, Cain and Dos Santos have one legit sherdog or other mainstream top ten win between them.

I think a lot of all three actually, but let's not get carried away.

Nog isn't beating Fedor ever, so lets get that out of our minds, Mir stands no real chance in my mind and I feel he has always been overrated, and I said that before Lesnar squished him. He would have to outstrike Fedor, and that ain't happenin. I don't believe for a second that Mir has evolved a striking game close to what Fedor brings.

And Randy stylistically and athletically is no match for Fedor at all. Maybe a younger Randy, but this one brings nothing to the table Fedor won't just overwealm instantly. A Fedor right hand would end the fight the same fashion of the Liddell and Lesnar fights and in the first round.

I agree.

For those who just wanted to see Fedor destroy Brock, don't worry. Somebody in house will beat Brock. Im still not sold on him being the ever dominant champion that he became all of a sudden after beating Frank Mir.

plain and simple there are a lot more Known, up and coming and dark horse's in the UFC heavy division than in SF. All you have in Strikeforce is Overeem, Rogers, Werdum and Gracie. The only two fights i even give a shit about in the slightest are Overeem and Rogers. At least in the UFC you have a million different intrigueing match ups and to be honest i want to see Fedor beat as many current and former UFC champions as possible something SF doesn't have any of right now.

CombatSports4Life wrote:

plain and simple there are a lot more Known, up and coming and dark horse's in the UFC heavy division than in SF. All you have in Strikeforce is Overeem, Rogers, Werdum and Gracie. The only two fights i even give a shit about in the slightest are Overeem and Rogers. At least in the UFC you have a million different intrigueing match ups and to be honest i want to see Fedor beat as many current and former UFC champions as possible something SF doesn't have any of right now.

Definitely cant wait to see Roger fight.

The UFC truthfully has swallowed up a lot of up and comers and name guys outside the promotion like Nelson, Rothwell and Buentello.

Its about 40/60 to UFC heavies vs all non-UFC significant heavies

I wont get into the lesnar part thats just my opinion but yes agree.

I totally agree, BUT I think the upcoming TUF will bring a new bread of talent to the UFC heavyweight division. When's the last time they did that? And when they did, a light-heavyweight won. I think Strikeforce has a very good case, and if you take M1/Strikeforce/Affliction together their heavyweight division is stronger right now. That's why this was the perfect time for Fedor to join and build on his legend. Since he hasn't joined the UFC, even if he walks through Strikeforce, he always will have the UFC monkey on his back. In a year, when the UFC now has other Heavyweight talent or at least names, the UFC might not be as maleable.

I'd take Randy, Brock, & Nog vs any fighter outside the UFC not named Fedor.

With Fedor it kind of confuses the argument, but it is still fair to say that the top of the UFC heavy division is better then strikeforce's. And clearly the UFC has much better depth as well.

UFC top-20's - Brock, Mir, Nog, Couture, Cain, Carwin, Dos Santos, Rothwell, CroCop, Kongo and Gonzaga...

SF top-20's - Faydoor, Rogers, Overeem, Werdum and Arlovski(?)...

All it says is that Faydoor has beaten a few UFC guys in the Pride days and there's a host of others there he hasn't beaten. Young, tough talent in both orgs but the UFC is much deeper and has some experienced fighters that could give Faydoor a fight. I'm of the opinion that a guy like Mir would stand a better chance of submitting Faydoor than a guy like Grim would have KOing him...

CombatSports4Life wrote:

plain and simple there are a lot more Known, up and coming and dark horse's in the UFC heavy division than in SF. All you have in Strikeforce is Overeem, Rogers, Werdum and Gracie. The only two fights i even give a shit about in the slightest are Overeem and Rogers. At least in the UFC you have a million different intrigueing match ups and to be honest i want to see Fedor beat as many current and former UFC champions as possible something SF doesn't have any of right now.

+1 well said combat. And they are investing in its future with TUF show.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

UFC top-20's - Brock, Mir, Nog, Couture, Cain, Carwin, Dos Santos, Rothwell, CroCop, Kongo and Gonzaga...

SF top-20's - Faydoor, Rogers, Overeem, Werdum and Arlovski(?)...

All it says is that Faydoor has beaten a few UFC guys in the Pride days and there's a host of others there he hasn't beaten. Young, tough talent in both orgs but the UFC is much deeper and has some experienced fighters that could give Faydoor a fight. I'm of the opinion that a guy like Mir would stand a better chance of submitting Faydoor than a guy like Grim would have KOing him...

Nog couldn't submit Fedor, so I just do not see Mir pulling it off. If Rogers has any ability to keep the fight standing, I give him a real shot. I think the big UFC wrestlers are where Fedor's toughest test's lie.

Still, everything aside, if Fedor's biggest, "legacy cementing" tests lie within guys no one even knew existed 12-24 months ago like Cain, Carwin, Lesnar(MMA terms), Rogers and Dos Santos, or in guys people thought were barely top 20 and borderline bush league like Overeem and Mir, what does that tell you about the status of the division?

Does Fedor really need to beat any of these guys to cement his legacy?

Not a single fighter I just named would have been on any Fedor must-fight list 12 months ago. I don't think a single fighter I named was on any major top ten lists over 12 months ago.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Still, everything aside, if Fedor's biggest, "legacy cementing" tests lie within guys no one even knew existed 12-24 months ago like Cain, Carwin, Lesnar(MMA terms), Rogers and Dos Santos, or in guys people thought were barely top 20 and borderline bush league like Overeem and Mir, what does that tell you about the status of the division?

Does Fedor really need to beat any of these guys to cement his legacy?

Not a single fighter I just named would have been on any Fedor must-fight list 12 months ago. I don't think a single fighter I named was on any major top ten lists over 12 months ago.

I kind brought up the legacy issue with Penn not too long, and he is a guy that does need wins to cement his legacy.

Fedor already has a legacy in place, but if he can continue and mows through the new crop of top heavies(and just becuase they are new, does not mean they are not legit) then he can create a pretty wide gap between he and some of the other legends who are chasing him.

But a loss in some of these fights(and I do not see it as an easy road) could most def cause a shift where we start to talk about spider, Machida and GSP as guys whose career's surpassed Fedor.

Wolf, all you're doing is pointing out the obvious cycle of life in MMA. We could have said the same about Hughes prior to the new blood passing him by. GSP, Alves and Fitch were nothing but up and comers at one time... Where were Machida, Evans, Griffin and Cane a year, 18 months and 24 months ago? Who and what was Anderson Silva prior to taking the UFC by storm? Knowing that the sport is forever evolving and still very much in its infancy, are any of us really going to be that surprised when Faydoor falls to a Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, Dos Santos or Grim in the next 18 to 24 months? To be honest, I think it's rather naive to think that someone isn't going to get the better of him fairly soon... Of course, if he keeps dodging the big dogs, the length of his run is much more likely to continue...

Fedor isn't dodging anyone gramps. Fedor has already beaten guys who have single better track records than everyone out there do combined. Barnett would have been a better fight than anyone else out there.

You can't honestly believe, especially someone as smart as you, that what Fedor did was motivated by fear of competiton or losing. The guys in the UFC ain't that much better.

Easy kiddo... just stroking you to get a rise. You are far too predictable. No, "he" most likely isn't dodging... But he most certainly is allowing someone else make his decisions for him, and not good ones at that (In the spirit of competition). And you cannot tell me that you know for a fact that there isn't something behind these decisions that involves taking the easier route with less obstacles to protect the brand. The chances of him being knocked off while in Stikeforce are much less than in the UFC. Decisions like these are calculated carefully considering all things, and only the naive think it all boils down to the cross promotion. That ultimately is the excuse... Nothing more, or less...

What rise do you see out of me other than my cock at the sight of your wife when her dentures are out.