Andre Berto willing to move up to face Miguel Cotto

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Sorry, I think this is crazy talk. No reason to believe Cotto can discourage Angulo who is a TERRIBLE style matchup for Cotto and I have no idea how Cotto gets close to Cintron to land body shots given Cintron's seven inch reach advantage. What are Cotto's demonstrated weaknesses? EVERYONE hits him and he isn't very durable. I think Angulo and Cintron both blow him away at 154.

Cintron gets KO'd, Kermit cant bang with Cotto

vs Angulo, good shot at out boxing the flat footed Mexicano, Angulo will have to hope he hurts him enough early to catch him late

Its not like he's a huge dog vs either of those guys

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I guess. Miguel better not get too comfortable at 154. He is so physically disadvataged in that division it isn't even funny. A 67" inch reach??????

My guess, he gets comfortable at 154

Favorable match ups for him vs the likes of Angulo, Chavez Jr/Duddy, Cintron, Mora, Spinks, even Williams.

Plenty of $$$$ to be made

FAVORABLE matchups? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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Please continue

Never saw "Princess Bride" huh?

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Sorry, I think this is crazy talk. No reason to believe Cotto can discourage Angulo who is a TERRIBLE style matchup for Cotto and I have no idea how Cotto gets close to Cintron to land body shots given Cintron's seven inch reach advantage. What are Cotto's demonstrated weaknesses? EVERYONE hits him and he isn't very durable. I think Angulo and Cintron both blow him away at 154.

Cintron gets KO'd, Kermit cant bang with Cotto

vs Angulo, good shot at out boxing the flat footed Mexicano, Angulo will have to hope he hurts him enough early to catch him late

Its not like he's a huge dog vs either of those guys

I'd be THRILLED to give you Cotto in either fight. Angulo is Margarito against an older Cotto, it's ugly. Cintron is as tall and longer that Margarito and doesn't get hit the way Margs does. The result would be the same. A courageous loss by Cotto.

cotto i think can beat citron.angulo has enough power and handspeed to hit and damage cotto..not an easy fight for him but yes winable but also it can go the other way..im not worried about any so called reach advantage which can be neurtolized in many ways...its up to cotto and stewart to effectively prepare for that..did not foreman have a reach advantage over cotto ..tyson canzoneri basilio marciano and others all fought almost every fight with a disadvantage there.they did ok for sure....
lets look at cotto in the proper way..hes not a great fighter .a good one yes.sometimes a very good one..soo are the other fighters..given that and how angulo destroyed the love child cotto better reduce greatly the faults he has or habits shall i say..
i feel angulo can adjust more during the fight than cotto.id favor him 8-5 by the odds.

I have, just dont recall the reference

Again, I'd take the older but improved Cotto over Angulo

Cotto is a good boxer-puncher, when guys like Julio and Cintron can outbox you, a better class of fighter even though smaller should be able to handle him

I dont think Angulo can have a night like Margarito did vs Cotto
His D is bad and his pressure isnt the same as Tony's

Cintron? I think Miguel walks him down and stops him, his size might be an issue for a few rounds, but when they start trading leather - COTTO

In related news, Berto announced that he would also be "willing" to fight Mayweather or Pac.

Berto vs Cotto is a fight I'd like to see. That being said, he needs to shut up and fight. He is young and unproven. Best opponents he has ever faced were Collazo and Quintana (and Collazo gave him all he could handle). He needs to go fight and improve rather than screaming to the top of his lungs that he wants to fight one of the sport's cash cows (Pac, Mayweather, Cotto).

berto indeed needs to improve on many things including his amatuerish balance..he has the power the handspeed and heart to fight and do well with anyone now..to do well is not the goal.to win is..in order to win he needs a lot of fine tuning work.

"When it comes to Miguel Cotto, what is there not to love? The man does it the old fashioned way. He takes on all comers when they still have their faculties and the fight will be meaningful. He doesn’t denigrate his foes but rather shows them respect from beginning to end. No predictions or pre-fight antics. He’s soft spoken, introspective, and a better interview than people give him credit for. In the ring, he is aggressive yet intelligent, brave, relentless, and willing to risk it all. Even now, he has said he is willing to fight Margarito who may or may not have cheated against him. To paraphrase the Beach Boys (You’re welcome brother Thom), I wish they all could be Miguel Cotto.

I really can’t ask for more from Cotto BUT since you asked, Berto vs. Cotto would be pretty awesome. It’s the kind of fight I’ve been waiting for Berto to take. I;m pretty harsh on Andre I have to admit. I wanted him to make the Collazo fight and though I realize it takes two to tango and Collazo wanted money he wasn’t going to get, it would have been nice to see Berto do what it took to push for the fight and make it happen. After all, it’s what others before him who held belts have done. When you have a fight that close, that many feel you lost, you should want to rectify it. While I can’t say it’s Andre’s fault the rematch didn’t happen, I can say it appears he is content to just get the win and get out of there.

Rant aside, Berto would have a very good chance of coming out innocent in the trial by fire that Cotto would put him through. I’ve always thought of him as a younger version of Shane Mosley but with less explosive power and possibly not even close to the chin. But the style itself is there; the wild athleticism and oft-times blistering combinations, the upright, chin to be had, come-forward style. The clinching. I can’t tell you who would win. I don’t think Berto sustains his offense enough to get Cotto out of there unless he really had him hurt which I just am not sure I see happening. But I can see Berto winning the jab war, landing that right hand enough to score and being fleet of foot enough to keep Cotto resetting. And there’d be a lot of clinching. But I could be wrong. Cotto at 147 can crack. Will he have the strength to be effective? I tend to think not. I may have issues with Andre Berto’s reign as the WBC title holder but he ain’t Yuri Foreman. The can fight and he can crack enough.

And I will say this for Cotto: he didn’t have the trouble with Quintana that Berto did as I recall. And he got a younger, better version.

Yeah, ma. I’d pay to see Cotto-Berto. "

- Gabriel Montoya from Maxboxing

The writers name is Gabriel, not Gariel. Gariel sounds like a gay fairy from Lord of the Rings. I do like him as a writer. He took the spot that Dougie Fisher had at Maxboxing (when Dougie moved on to Ring).

I would like to see Berto and Cotto fight. Berto has athleticism on his side. Faster hands. He is naturally bigger than Cotto. I still think Cotto wins a close fight.