Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time?

josh200612 wrote:

Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Farmer1906 wrote:

josh200612 wrote:

Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!

josh200612 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

josh200612 wrote:

Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!

It isn't defended. It's won. But he is a 3x champion.

Farmer1906 wrote:

josh200612 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

josh200612 wrote:

Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!

It isn't defended. It's won. But he is a 3x champion.

SHUSH!

You also have to count the losses as well as the wins Josh.

April 2012

Shogun
Hendo
Wanderlei
Liddell
Rampage
Couture
Shamrock
Jones
Ortiz
Machida

We should do this again and for every division. What do you think?

freakzilla wrote:

We should do this again and for every division. What do you think?

Overkill, calm down.


Only for Flyweight.

Jon Jones is number 1 now.

I'd put him behind Liddell and Wanderlei at this point, but he's rising.

Ludo wrote:

I'd put him behind Liddell and Wanderlei at this point, but he's rising.

Jon already has a better resume than Chuck.

Jones case is pretty good, and even if there were solid resume arguments, head to head Jones beats about anyone in their absolute prime. The only LHW i'd pick to beat him was a fully healthy, athletic shogun.

Here is the LHW GOAT list at Fight Matrix based on their methodology. I always find their analysis, of course flawed, but never uninteresting.



http://www.fightmatrix.com/2012/11/12/all-time-light-heavyweight-rankings-behind-the-scenes-timeline/

Admittedly, I thought this graph was going to be much more
interesting when I envisioned creating it, but perhaps that is because
it was far more painful than I had envisioned and now I hate life a
little more.

Anyway, I often receive questions about the career all-time rankings,
specifically pertaining to the point totals. First, let me explain a
few things:

• All fighters listed have been in the Top 10 at Light Heavyweight since we started the career rankings.
  
• Only Top 10 point totals are displayed for the listed fighters, with
  the exception of Jon Jones, whose data line starts when he hit 500
  points, the minimum displayable amount.
  
• Randy Couture and Ricardo Arona’s lines are dotted, as they are no
  longer in the Top 10. A cookie to anyone who can find Arona’s single
  dot.
  
• Only three dates are displayed, 5/11 (when we started permanently
  storing the career ranking lists), 5/12 (when Jon Jones entered the Top
  10), 11/12 (the most recent rankings). There were many intermediate
  releases, so I grouped them by date.
  
• There are two blips of “common noise”, both in the early third of
  the rankings. These are likely test releases that quite honestly, I did
  not filter out because this ultimately took way too long to finish.
  
• I’ve often commented to readers that effects on the list are not
  entirely immediate. There is usually some immediate effect to results,
  but as you can see in the graph, the term “rolling average” is probably a
  much more accurate way to explain the movement. The methodology was
  created in such a way for many reasons.
  

Some Thoughts

• Everyone gained an automatic ~15% in the 18 months due to increased
  quality of data, amongst other things. Essentially, the value of a
  point decreased.
  
• Chuck, Wanderlei, and Rampage were in a bit of a musical chair
  situation until recently. With Chuck’s retirement, his point total has
  went dead. Wanderlei’s has also went stagnant, as his move to
  Middleweight has become permanent. Rampage remains somewhat relevant
  and the minute amount of points he continues to squeeze out of his
  career at 205 seem to have positioned him in the lead, for now.
  
• Rua and Machida continue to increase their respective positions,
  although they are certainly the most tumultuous on the list. Check out
  the “back and forth” as they continue to satisfy and cease to satisfy
  certain metrics that play huge roles in their positions. Most notably,
  Rua’s win over Griffin (then his loss to Henderson) and Machida’s
  recently winless streak over elite competition. They’re both on the
  upward trend.. for now.
  
• Evans and Henderson are still making big leaps, while Griffin
  continues to hold on, inching his point total up — really, only delaying
  his seemingly inevitable drop off of this list — then again, it seems
  like it’s going to be a LONG time before there is a new entrant to this
  Top 10.
  

Jon Jones

As you can probably tell, the real focal point of this graph is Jon
Jones. He is skyrocketing up the list and seems to be a sure thing to
take Machida’s spot in an upcoming release. In fact, if you follow the
trends, Jones should be the top fighter in this list by late 2013 — though his recent injury could slow his ascent, as could a loss, but that remains to be seen.

Also, he made his debut recently in the Absolute list at #23. He’s
not going to scale that list quite as quickly, but he should be in the
Top 15 relatively soon.

01. Jon Jones
02. Mauricio Rua
03. Wanderlei Silva
04. Quinton Jackson
05. Chuck Liddell
06. Dan Henderson
07. Lyoto Machida
08. Randy Couture
09. Rashad Evans
10. Tito Ortiz