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josh200612 wrote:
Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.
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Farmer1906 wrote:
josh200612 wrote:
Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time?   Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time? - Page 4 EmptySat Jan 28, 2012 12:19 am

josh200612 wrote:
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josh200612 wrote:
Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!

It isn't defended. It's won. But he is a 3x champion.
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Farmer1906 wrote:
josh200612 wrote:
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josh200612 wrote:
Also he is two time you gotta defend the belt not just win it so it doesn't count.

No it is 3. Shogun, Rampage, and Machida were all title fights. Jones's short body of work is on par with Pages IMO. So you're splitting hairs between 5th and 6th best of all time. C'mon.

Nope! Shogun WAS THE TITLE FIGHT, that doesn't count gotta defend in my book. LOL @ Jone's body of work to Page's!

It isn't defended. It's won. But he is a 3x champion.

SHUSH!
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You also have to count the losses as well as the wins Josh.
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April 2012

Shogun
Hendo
Wanderlei
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We should do this again and for every division. What do you think?
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We should do this again and for every division. What do you think?

Overkill, calm down.


Only for Flyweight.
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Jon Jones is number 1 now.
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I'd put him behind Liddell and Wanderlei at this point, but he's rising.
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I'd put him behind Liddell and Wanderlei at this point, but he's rising.

Jon already has a better resume than Chuck.
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Jones case is pretty good, and even if there were solid resume arguments, head to head Jones beats about anyone in their absolute prime. The only LHW i'd pick to beat him was a fully healthy, athletic shogun.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time?   Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time? - Page 4 EmptyThu Nov 15, 2012 2:22 pm

Here is the LHW GOAT list at Fight Matrix based on their methodology. I always find their analysis, of course flawed, but never uninteresting.

Top 10 Light-Heayweights of all time? - Page 4 Lhwalltime

http://www.fightmatrix.com/2012/11/12/all-time-light-heavyweight-rankings-behind-the-scenes-timeline/

Admittedly, I thought this graph was going to be much more
interesting when I envisioned creating it, but perhaps that is because
it was far more painful than I had envisioned and now I hate life a
little more.

Anyway, I often receive questions about the career all-time rankings,
specifically pertaining to the point totals. First, let me explain a
few things:




  • All fighters listed have been in the Top 10 at Light Heavyweight since we started the career rankings.
  • Only Top 10 point totals are displayed for the listed fighters, with
    the exception of Jon Jones, whose data line starts when he hit 500
    points, the minimum displayable amount.
  • Randy Couture and Ricardo Arona’s lines are dotted, as they are no
    longer in the Top 10. A cookie to anyone who can find Arona’s single
    dot.
  • Only three dates are displayed, 5/11 (when we started permanently
    storing the career ranking lists), 5/12 (when Jon Jones entered the Top
    10), 11/12 (the most recent rankings). There were many intermediate
    releases, so I grouped them by date.
  • There are two blips of “common noise”, both in the early third of
    the rankings. These are likely test releases that quite honestly, I did
    not filter out because this ultimately took way too long to finish.
  • I’ve often commented to readers that effects on the list are not
    entirely immediate. There is usually some immediate effect to results,
    but as you can see in the graph, the term “rolling average” is probably a
    much more accurate way to explain the movement. The methodology was
    created in such a way for many reasons.



Some Thoughts


  • Everyone gained an automatic ~15% in the 18 months due to increased
    quality of data, amongst other things. Essentially, the value of a
    point decreased.
  • Chuck, Wanderlei, and Rampage were in a bit of a musical chair
    situation until recently. With Chuck’s retirement, his point total has
    went dead. Wanderlei’s has also went stagnant, as his move to
    Middleweight has become permanent. Rampage remains somewhat relevant
    and the minute amount of points he continues to squeeze out of his
    career at 205 seem to have positioned him in the lead, for now.
  • Rua and Machida continue to increase their respective positions,
    although they are certainly the most tumultuous on the list. Check out
    the “back and forth” as they continue to satisfy and cease to satisfy
    certain metrics that play huge roles in their positions. Most notably,
    Rua’s win over Griffin (then his loss to Henderson) and Machida’s
    recently winless streak over elite competition. They’re both on the
    upward trend.. for now.
  • Evans and Henderson are still making big leaps, while Griffin
    continues to hold on, inching his point total up — really, only delaying
    his seemingly inevitable drop off of this list — then again, it seems
    like it’s going to be a LONG time before there is a new entrant to this
    Top 10.



Jon Jones

As you can probably tell, the real focal point of this graph is Jon
Jones. He is skyrocketing up the list and seems to be a sure thing to
take Machida’s spot in an upcoming release. In fact, if you follow the
trends, Jones should be the top fighter in this list by late 2013 — though his recent injury could slow his ascent, as could a loss, but that remains to be seen.

Also, he made his debut recently in the Absolute list at #23. He’s
not going to scale that list quite as quickly, but he should be in the
Top 15 relatively soon.
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01. Jon Jones
02. Mauricio Rua
03. Wanderlei Silva
04. Quinton Jackson
05. Chuck Liddell
06. Dan Henderson
07. Lyoto Machida
08. Randy Couture
09. Rashad Evans
10. Tito Ortiz
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