If Fedor did sign with the UFC at the end of the year, would he make it through this new UFC HW gautlet unbeaten?

Fedor has a lot more miles than Lesnar and maybe even Carwin. The issue here with these type of fighters is that their physical attributes and wrestling base mean they don't ever have to become as good as Fedor to beat Fedor.

Bones Jones doesn't have to be as good as BJ Penn to beat him either.

Well he can always slim down and join the LHW I guess, but I would be surprised if he did that.

It's crazy, not to long ago the UFC HW division was fairly weak, now it has become really strong.

Ya the division is crazy now. The strength of schedule debate for Fedor no longer lies on fights like Zulu, Lindland and Hunt, but now on the worth of the old guard of the UFC HW division vs the new. Odd that Fedor's detractors now are going to firmly argue that the champions of the UFC during the Pride era were inferior to todays, essentially reaffirming the original contention by Fedor's supporters that Pride had the best talent.


However we must consider the possibility that journeymen HWs like Gonzaga and Kongo, past prime Nog's, Crocops and Couture's and the great Frank Mir in themselves may prove to be less than stellar measuring sticks.

There is still a lot of room for losses on these young* fighters resumes.

No way! Matter of fact I have him beating Carwin and mir, while losing to Cain, Dos Santos, and Brock. So 2-3 in the UFC.

I am not sure I completely agree with you Muay, though I can see your possible reasoning. I like Carwin's clinch game, though it is merely above average, but he punches well in the clinch which helps victories rack up. Brock is a monster, I am still wondering however, if he will be just as good as the old Brock. I do not think JDS is ready for someone like Fedor nor is Mir. Cain is on the fence for me, but if I had to pick, I would still give Fedor the edge. Way too much experience. Fedor goes 3-2.

muayjitsu wrote:

No way! Matter of fact I have him beating Carwin and mir, while losing to Cain, Dos Santos, and Brock. So 2-3 in the UFC.

I see Brock and Carwin as his toughest fights because of size and strength advantages

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I am not sure I completely agree with you Muay, though I can see your possible reasoning. I like Carwin's clinch game, though it is merely above average, but he punches well in the clinch which helps victories rack up. Brock is a monster, I am still wondering however, if he will be just as good as the old Brock. I do not think JDS is ready for someone like Fedor nor is Mir. Cain is on the fence for me, but if I had to pick, I would still give Fedor the edge. Way too much experience. Fedor goes 3-2.

I was thoughoughly impressed with his clinch work vs Mir. Beginning with the knee's to the leg's(reminiscent of Rua Machida) and ending with a crushing KO. His short stature gave him a leverage adv vs Mir, and it could provide the same vs Brock, who did not look comfortable in the clinch vs a much lighter Couture.

I do not see fedor being crushed standing by carwin like mir did. It would end up on the ground where i think Fedor would be savvy enough to catch carwin due to his lack of experience with great grapplers. Brock seems to know how to neutralize the ground game judging by his fight with Mir so he may beat Fedor. I don't know how Fedor would get JDS to the ground and JDS has heavy technical striking. I see it as a better version of the AA fight until AA made a dumb flying knee. Cain could easily win a decision with non-stop takedowns.

Problem with Carwin and Lesnar is their power in short range situations. If they got close against the fence or down on top, they could score an ugly stoppage of Fedor without doing much else but using their size and power.

No doubt Fedor is the best HW fighter, but that doesn't matter at HW anymore.

No way he makes it through all those HWs.

if Fedor makes it through Brock, Cain, Carwin and Dos Santos he should retire immediately.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

if Fedor makes it through Brock, Cain, Carwin and Dos Santos he should retire immediately.

+1, and this would be after he wins out his sf contract. that would create serious distance between he and the rest of the goat pack. that would possibly be the greatest fight resume in history. I can't think of a boxer with a similar resume. it's almost too much to ask.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

if Fedor makes it through Brock, Cain, Carwin and Dos Santos he should retire immediately.

He would be like what 36 by the time that is over? Fuck yeah he should retire and DW should put up a gold Rocky style statue outside of UFC head office.

maybe throw in a super fight w Anderson in there too.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

maybe throw in a super fight w Anderson in there too.

Oh baby!!! You're rollin today wolf. I think if Fedor did go to the UFC, then that fight is a must.

captain organic wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

maybe throw in a super fight w Anderson in there too.

Oh baby!!! You're rollin today wolf. I think if Fedor did go to the UFC, then that fight is a must.

What??? Why? That is fucking stupid. Everyone is running their mouth about how Fedor needs to fight these new line of HWs. People are already naming atleast 4 fights they want to see at HW, how does Spider work into this picture? Neither guy is exactly young, there just won't be enough time for Fedor to take on UFC's MW Champion.

Wolf said it all! If (that is a big fucking if) he did all those things, I would retire too!

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

maybe throw in a super fight w Anderson in there too.

Oh baby!!! You're rollin today wolf. I think if Fedor did go to the UFC, then that fight is a must.

What??? Why? That is fucking stupid. Everyone is running their mouth about how Fedor needs to fight these new line of HWs. People are already naming atleast 4 fights they want to see at HW, how does Spider work into this picture? Neither guy is exactly young, there just won't be enough time for Fedor to take on UFC's MW Champion.

Well spider is the MW champ, and he recently DECIMATED a former lhw champ, at which point weighed somewhat near where fedor weigh's when he steps into the ring, and like Fedor he is a no question top 3 p4p guy. and both guys have shown zero signs of slowing down.

And while fedor would have a plethora of good matchup's, he could squeeze a fight with spider who has very few solid matchups to look fwd to.

Calling this matchup "fucking stupid" is fucking stupid.

No what is fucking stupid is for the same MMA fans demanding Fedor go through this HW gauntlet to somehow demand he take time out to fight the UFC's MW Champion. You can never satisfy the fan that is why you should never listen to them. They always want more. If Fedor was in the UFC and beating all the HWs they had to offer and some dumbass said he needs to fight Spider I would fucking kill myself.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

No what is fucking stupid is for the same MMA fans demanding Fedor go through this HW gauntlet to somehow demand he take time out to fight the UFC's MW Champion. You can never satisfy the fan that is why you should never listen to them. They always want more. If Fedor was in the UFC and beating all the HWs they had to offer and some dumbass said he needs to fight Spider I would fucking kill myself.

so says the guy who wanted gsp to break Hardy's arm.

captain organic wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

No what is fucking stupid is for the same MMA fans demanding Fedor go through this HW gauntlet to somehow demand he take time out to fight the UFC's MW Champion. You can never satisfy the fan that is why you should never listen to them. They always want more. If Fedor was in the UFC and beating all the HWs they had to offer and some dumbass said he needs to fight Spider I would fucking kill myself.

so says the guy who wanted gsp to break Hardy's arm.

What is wrong with wanting GSP to actually finish a sub? If the guy won't tap you have to break it or why would anyone tap?

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

No what is fucking stupid is for the same MMA fans demanding Fedor go through this HW gauntlet to somehow demand he take time out to fight the UFC's MW Champion. You can never satisfy the fan that is why you should never listen to them. They always want more. If Fedor was in the UFC and beating all the HWs they had to offer and some dumbass said he needs to fight Spider I would fucking kill myself.

so says the guy who wanted gsp to break Hardy's arm.

What is wrong with wanting GSP to actually finish a sub? If the guy won't tap you have to break it or why would anyone tap?

wanting to see a matchup between 2 p4p greats is asking too much but calling georgie a pussy 4 not breaking a guys arm who he throuroughly dominated is cool?

I want to know how Cain beating Nog and Carwin beating Mir has changed so many people's minds about Fedor. If those fights didn't happen or if this poll was done before those fights this poll would look alot deferent.

captain organic wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

No what is fucking stupid is for the same MMA fans demanding Fedor go through this HW gauntlet to somehow demand he take time out to fight the UFC's MW Champion. You can never satisfy the fan that is why you should never listen to them. They always want more. If Fedor was in the UFC and beating all the HWs they had to offer and some dumbass said he needs to fight Spider I would fucking kill myself.

so says the guy who wanted gsp to break Hardy's arm.

What is wrong with wanting GSP to actually finish a sub? If the guy won't tap you have to break it or why would anyone tap?

wanting to see a matchup between 2 p4p greats is asking too much but calling georgie a pussy 4 not breaking a guys arm who he throuroughly dominated is cool?

Yes, dumbass fans complaining about Fedor not fighting TOP HW and not being in the UFC. Also wanting the same man to fight Spider just because "2 p4p greats" bullshit is fucking retarded IMO. If he is in the UFC fighting at HW and I hear anyone say "Fedor needs to fight Spider" I will fucking lose it.
How is that anything like wanting GSP to man up and break the arm like he was suppose to. As far as I know the only reason you tap out of an armbar or leglock is to avoid injury. If there is no risk of injury and you can take the pain then why the fuck should you tap?