Everyone's take on the healthcare bill...

I don't know if it's good or bad for the country. I think tort reform is the biggest hurdle [it always comes down to blood-sucking lawyers] for bringing down the costs of healthcare. Are we better off for this bill? Also, was the process legit?

The costs aren't going down. They are just getting moved around. The government is forcing this down our throats. Bad bad news.

It's just another shade of shit brown in the long run. Will take a crap system and remold it into a poop system probably.

Will reserve judgement when I see all of the details... None of us (Or the lawmakers that signed it) have a clue what the entire bill looks like... Government working at its finest...

it's good

Needed, yes, but ltfg has a point in that the manner in which it is implemented along with time will make it easier to grade it's worth.

Name one government run public service that runs smoother than the private sector.


Apparently when the country elects someone based soley on their race being different than the race of the previous office holders, you aren't allowed to call socialism socialism anymore.

It's socialism and will never be perfect or work like the failure that is our socialist public education system today. It will best serve those who would receive the best service regardless. Private sector runs health care with as much bureaucracy and inequity as anything else important that's why I called another shade of shit, good intentions with hasty planning is likely gonna be a pile still.

Over 20 million uninsured, happy those in need will get help\

I am positive 80 percent of the tea baggers dont know the difference between Socialism and Fascism

The reform is needed and regardless of this particular bills effectiveness, it is the right move to make now. Seems like three ways this was going to play out. 1 the bill is honky dory, Dems circle jerk each other, while Repubs brood in denial and rage, like the jobs stimulus deal kinda. 2 Bill is not good and needs to be reworked and tweaked over again, possibly several times, what I think will happen, and not a entirely bad thing because if... 3. Bill hadn't even passed it would be a monumental failure and disservice to everyone. The system needs a serious enema. Americans are fatter, sicker, have more ailments and worse health then they ever have had while at the same time being able to live longer with those problems than ever before because our technological medical tools allow it. It is a recipe for collapse. By at least addressing it and taking action asap even if it is not gonna be right, it is still incentive to work and continue to progress towards addressing the situation. It can't be ignored anymore or cast around as a partisan object symbolizing winners and losers. Shooting it down would of been the worst case scenario towards addressing the issue. Given the time and prize fight, horse race atmosphere of the passage, there most certainly will be a mountain of issues needing to be looked at better and worked on though. The incentive to to right be this mess of a thing will be the best potential for benefit.

Insurance is available to most people who have command of their lives. The numbers of uninsured Americans is inflated by counting those who choose to be uninsured and those who are between jobs in this economy and will maintain insurance again.


No one who has ever had free healthcare and private healthcare wants the former. Advocates of this nonsense have typically only ever had one or the other.

Goverment programs medicade and medicare are ran so well we give them the power to take over all of healthcare?

One of my friends for the reform countered my statement above with"medicare was only supposed to be a 6 year program anyway"



To which i responded exactly once a social program is established its next to impossible finacially to get out. Therefore costs just get diverted to the next one(taxpayer,administration,generation)

I am not a fan of the gov't running anything. To many underhanded deals that have nothing to do with the actual problems our country faces. This is not what this country was established for . We became a country to get away from an overbearing Govt. The fact that some out of touch politician believes they know what is best for me is the dumbest shit ever. Lower levels of Govt should be the only ones deciding things for americans on day to day necessities while the Nat. Govt should be focused on national security and world relations. Every household, town, and state is different and any blanket decisions will never work. I see the presidential office going away one day and our country just having the house and senate.

muay- good points, if you read the declaration of Independence you might laugh at how far away we are from what Our forefathers fought for

I gotta say I am lovin' the anti federalism I am seeing here men.

Yeah this to me is the countries real voice not hollywood or any news network driven by some kind of political agenda.

If any of you think that this won't put a burden on healthcare overall, just look at two current trends in primarily funded medicare entities..1-is home health care and 2-is skilled nursing or rehab facilities. Both are holding their breath for the possibilities that may be ahead. Both groups have frozen spending and layed off workers. That is crazy because healthcare is one of the fields were people were always hired. How many times have you told a friend "Oh I'm gonna be a nurse?" , and they say "Good pay and job security!" You know you have! I heard it when I told all my friends and family I was leaving sales, about 100 times!!!
The place I am doing my clinicals (Kindred) is THE LARGEST provider of health care services in the COUNTRY, along with the largest group of healthcare practitioners in the COUNTRY. Kindred has laid off workers, elimenated company matching 401K, froze salaries, adjusted PTO for employees, and that was before this went down because of what they knew. If you think a company that big doesn't know what is going on then you are 3 genes shy of being a fucking monkey! If Kindred is scared, shouldn't you be? I know I am because I just chose healthcare as my future job.
I have heard if you don't have health insurance by 2014 then you could be fined! What is that about? Then you look at this bullcrap census thing that should be at your doors any day if you haven't got it yet. There are supposed to be 32 million healthcare providers in America by 2019. Think of how many pockets will be fat from that too?
If you are young and don't have parents to worry about then cool, you shouldn't care as much and get your free health care. I know for a fact my kids are going to get kicked in the nuts like Mighty Mo did last night and not have a chance to get a knee back to the Dems who are making you do what they say...You monkeys! Now I am going to shit in my hand and throw a turd cause I am a monkey just like you! Oh and I wonder if Obama will pay the 10 grand for the 3 days I spent in the hospital for this diverticulitis? I wonder if it will be covered? They say so, but we know how insurance companies are. They don't exactley follow the laws until you hire an attorney and get stuck with 10% atleast of that bill too. Hey Oggy in 50 years I hope my old ass can hear you complaining about this?
This is a touchy subject for me if you couldn't see that. I just hate looking into the eyes of an elderly person and wonder what the outcome will be for them in the future? This money is coming from somewhere and that is it. I guess I can get a job in a hospital and not do rehab for the elderly like I wanted, but that still doesn't mean it is fair to them.

Now neg me damnit because I still want my negative 20 number!

A first I thought I was reading a forward BBC had posted...







...then I realized he is in school to be a nurse.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

A first I thought I was reading a forward BBC had posted...







...then I realized he is in school to be a nurse.

When you screw with my money I get a bit more into it Wolf. MMA, and life or screwing with my kids future makes me more pissed. Not to mention we have talked about it on break like crazy. I atleast know alot of people around here and shouldn't have a prob getting a job, but that still doesn't mean I could have got an extra buck on the hour to start out with. Beats sales for sure! I know you liked that shiz Wolf. I may think you are a douche and you may thik the same, but we are alot alike in many ways and you know this is the federal govt hand jiving us with no lube! Full fist at that. Not even a finger to start with!

Oggy, why do you say it's good? What reasons do you have? Don't tell me you're just supporting your boy, Obama, blindly.

This is a bad thing imo. We need health care reform but that is not what this is. This is just another way for the government to take more control. The people that believe that obama really cares that much about the people he talks about in his bad health care stories amaze me. If you want to help people lets stop the coruption in the FDA, drug companies that have made it a law that only a drug can crue a disease. When none of the drugs we are given crue our diseases they just help the symptoms. Do you realize how many people have died from taking asprin? And yet it's still FDA approved hmmm

Obama is just using one of the parts of the business of health care to use as the enemy the insurance companies, using the promise of change to hide more government control

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

If any of you think that this won't put a burden on healthcare overall, just look at two current trends in primarily funded medicare entities..1-is home health care and 2-is skilled nursing or rehab facilities. Both are holding their breath for the possibilities that may be ahead. Both groups have frozen spending and layed off workers. That is crazy because healthcare is one of the fields were people were always hired. How many times have you told a friend "Oh I'm gonna be a nurse?" , and they say "Good pay and job security!" You know you have! I heard it when I told all my friends and family I was leaving sales, about 100 times!!!
The place I am doing my clinicals (Kindred) is THE LARGEST provider of health care services in the COUNTRY, along with the largest group of healthcare practitioners in the COUNTRY. Kindred has laid off workers, elimenated company matching 401K, froze salaries, adjusted PTO for employees, and that was before this went down because of what they knew. If you think a company that big doesn't know what is going on then you are 3 genes shy of being a fucking monkey! If Kindred is scared, shouldn't you be? I know I am because I just chose healthcare as my future job.
I have heard if you don't have health insurance by 2014 then you could be fined! What is that about? Then you look at this bullcrap census thing that should be at your doors any day if you haven't got it yet. There are supposed to be 32 million healthcare providers in America by 2019. Think of how many pockets will be fat from that too?
If you are young and don't have parents to worry about then cool, you shouldn't care as much and get your free health care. I know for a fact my kids are going to get kicked in the nuts like Mighty Mo did last night and not have a chance to get a knee back to the Dems who are making you do what they say...You monkeys! Now I am going to shit in my hand and throw a turd cause I am a monkey just like you! Oh and I wonder if Obama will pay the 10 grand for the 3 days I spent in the hospital for this diverticulitis? I wonder if it will be covered? They say so, but we know how insurance companies are. They don't exactley follow the laws until you hire an attorney and get stuck with 10% atleast of that bill too. Hey Oggy in 50 years I hope my old ass can hear you complaining about this?
This is a touchy subject for me if you couldn't see that. I just hate looking into the eyes of an elderly person and wonder what the outcome will be for them in the future? This money is coming from somewhere and that is it. I guess I can get a job in a hospital and not do rehab for the elderly like I wanted, but that still doesn't mean it is fair to them.

Like I said earlier BBC leave it to the individual states and communities to solve their local problems. No offense but when I was in KY i noticed that they were really hurt with the whole recession. I travel quite a bit and I know the situation is not the same in every state so why make some bogus bill that blankets the entire country??? Where I live we are not hurting as much our housing market is not struggling and my wife is a nurse and could work anywhere she wanted. So why should my money go to bailing out mismanaged industries.

muayjitsu wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

If any of you think that this won't put a burden on healthcare overall, just look at two current trends in primarily funded medicare entities..1-is home health care and 2-is skilled nursing or rehab facilities. Both are holding their breath for the possibilities that may be ahead. Both groups have frozen spending and layed off workers. That is crazy because healthcare is one of the fields were people were always hired. How many times have you told a friend "Oh I'm gonna be a nurse?" , and they say "Good pay and job security!" You know you have! I heard it when I told all my friends and family I was leaving sales, about 100 times!!!
The place I am doing my clinicals (Kindred) is THE LARGEST provider of health care services in the COUNTRY, along with the largest group of healthcare practitioners in the COUNTRY. Kindred has laid off workers, elimenated company matching 401K, froze salaries, adjusted PTO for employees, and that was before this went down because of what they knew. If you think a company that big doesn't know what is going on then you are 3 genes shy of being a fucking monkey! If Kindred is scared, shouldn't you be? I know I am because I just chose healthcare as my future job.
I have heard if you don't have health insurance by 2014 then you could be fined! What is that about? Then you look at this bullcrap census thing that should be at your doors any day if you haven't got it yet. There are supposed to be 32 million healthcare providers in America by 2019. Think of how many pockets will be fat from that too?
If you are young and don't have parents to worry about then cool, you shouldn't care as much and get your free health care. I know for a fact my kids are going to get kicked in the nuts like Mighty Mo did last night and not have a chance to get a knee back to the Dems who are making you do what they say...You monkeys! Now I am going to shit in my hand and throw a turd cause I am a monkey just like you! Oh and I wonder if Obama will pay the 10 grand for the 3 days I spent in the hospital for this diverticulitis? I wonder if it will be covered? They say so, but we know how insurance companies are. They don't exactley follow the laws until you hire an attorney and get stuck with 10% atleast of that bill too. Hey Oggy in 50 years I hope my old ass can hear you complaining about this?
This is a touchy subject for me if you couldn't see that. I just hate looking into the eyes of an elderly person and wonder what the outcome will be for them in the future? This money is coming from somewhere and that is it. I guess I can get a job in a hospital and not do rehab for the elderly like I wanted, but that still doesn't mean it is fair to them.

Like I said earlier BBC leave it to the individual states and communities to solve their local problems. No offense but when I was in KY i noticed that they were really hurt with the whole recession. I travel quite a bit and I know the situation is not the same in every state so why make some bogus bill that blankets the entire country??? Where I live we are not hurting as much our housing market is not struggling and my wife is a nurse and could work anywhere she wanted. So why should my money go to bailing out mismanaged industries.

I agree in every way. If you drive down a block in my neighborhood 1 in every 8 houses are up for sale. Some of the people were just screwed because they din't know much about mortgages, some had lost jobs, and some were turds who couldn't afford the house in the first place. This area has been hit hard imo. I shouldn't have a problem finding a job in nursing at all because I know alot of people around here. Others are just screwed!

How do you like wiping ass on a day to day basis beast, just curious.