If Maia beats Silva then who gets next shot

Found this in a BE article

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So if Maia beats Silva, does that make him the No. 1 middleweight in the world? Or would Marquardt have a case that he's No. 1, because he just beat Maia? Or would Chael Sonnen have a case that he's No. 1, because he just beat Marquardt? Or would it be crazy to call Sonnen No. 1 because Maia needed only 2:37 to submit Sonnen at UFC 95?

And if Maia became the champion, who would get the next title shot? Vitor Belfort, because he was declared the No. 1 contender when he beat Franklin at UFC 103? Sonnen, because he was declared the No. 1 contender when he beat Marquardt? Marquardt, because he already beat Maia? Silva, because an immediate rematch would probably be the biggest middleweight title fight the UFC could make?

Silva in an immediate rematch. I'd still have Silva as my number one ranked middleweight, too.

chorky777 wrote:

Silva in an immediate rematch. I'd still have Silva as my number one ranked middleweight, too.

Can't say I disagree.

Okay who voted for Sonnen? Lets hear your reasoning.

I said Spider with an instant rematch. I think Spider has earned the right for an immediate rematch against whoever beats him because of his prolonged brillance

Are we assuming both fighters come out of this fight uninjured? If Silva has any kind of injury I don't think they will wait for him. Maia already beat Sonnen and Vitor might not be back for awhile. So if everyone is uninjured then Silva would get the next crack. Bisping won't get a shot without beating more then just Wandy.

I voted for Sonnen. Just because you have a dominant reign as champion, it doesn't mean you are any more entitled to a rematch if you lose the title. Now if Silva loses the title in a close fight, then I think there should be a rematch.

Sonnen shoud still get even though Maia is a terrible matchup for him.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Sonnen shoud still get even though Maia is a terrible matchup for him.

Even though he lost to Maia a year ago?

I voted for Silva in a rematch! The guy has dominated like Franklin did so Iwould think he would deserve a rematch!

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

I voted for Silva in a rematch! The guy has dominated like Franklin did so Iwould think he would deserve a rematch!

but Franklin had to fight twice before getting his rematch?

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

I voted for Silva in a rematch! The guy has dominated like Franklin did so Iwould think he would deserve a rematch!

but Franklin had to fight twice before getting his rematch?

1) Franklin didn't have a dominate run like Anderson.
2) They already has a #1 contender lined up with TUF

I'm still waiting to see how Sonnen gets the nod over Belfort other than the injury.

Immediate title rematches Zuffa categorically avoids unless there is a controversy, so scratch that off your list. Hughes, GSP, Liddell, Franklin, Sylvia and even Couture didn't get immediate rematches without controversy or special circumstances. Won't happen. Unrealistic. Not happening. As long as this match is on the up and up, not happening.

IMO Chael Sonnen should clearly get the next shot if Maia fairly and squarely beats Silva. Sonnen was already declared the number 1 contender, and just lost to Maia.

First off, I like the rematch to see of Sonnen has upgraded his sub-defense enough to survive. It's not like Maia beat him in the closed guard, he used a videogame sweep-sub combo that would be hard to replicate again. I am interested in this rematch, title or no title. Chael shouldn't have to wait until Belfort rehabs a serious shoulder injury anyway. That isn't totally fair. Especially considering Belfort hasn't done nearly what Sonnen has in the way of earning a title shot. Belfort hasn't even fought at 185 in the UFC ever before.

There is still a good chance Maia wins, which is good for Zuffa because that establishes Maia as a true champion with a legitimate title defense.

Anderson should fight Nate if he loses to Maia, and should he win that fight, be granted a title shot against Sonnen/Maia winner. Belfort should fight that winner. He isn't available for at least 6-8 months anyway right?

I'd be fine with making Belfort fight one more time, actually at MW this time, before handing him a shot again. I have no problem with established UFC fighters who have real wins over real UFC contenders actually in the weight class leap frogging Vitor Belfort. No problem at all.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Sonnen shoud still get even though Maia is a terrible matchup for him.

Even though he lost to Maia a year ago?

Yes. Because since then, he has defeated arguably the two top contenders in the division in Marquardt and Okami. You got to be consistant with the rankings. Nobody is more deserving than Chael Sonnen at the moment.

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

I voted for Silva in a rematch! The guy has dominated like Franklin did so Iwould think he would deserve a rematch!

but Franklin had to fight twice before getting his rematch?

1) Franklin didn't have a dominate run like Anderson.
2) They already has a #1 contender lined up with TUF

I'm still waiting to see how Sonnen gets the nod over Belfort other than the injury.

3) The UFC and WEC never do that and there is absolutely no precident for such a move. None at all. Hughes, Ortiz and Faber all had long title runs, and were not granted immediate rematches. The only immediate title rematches on Couture's record were controversial fights or fights where there was a title vacancy, stripped champion, or weight class change. He never got a rematch against someone who beat him fairly and squarely without controversy.

I'm still waiting to see how Belfort gets the nod over anyone especially considering he has never actually fought at MW in the UFC once in his entire life.


Sorry farmer, but your positions don't really have much supporting them.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Sonnen shoud still get even though Maia is a terrible matchup for him.

Even though he lost to Maia a year ago?

Yes. Because since then, he has defeated arguably the two top contenders in the division in Marquardt and Okami. You got to be consistant with the rankings. Nobody is more deserving than Chael Sonnen at the moment.

Absolutely no one. Sonnen looks like a monster right now, and that Maia loss is already ancient history. He has done more than enough to earn a title shot, and especially one against the last guy who beat him.

I agree with franklinfan2. You don't give a guy an immediate rematch just because he's been champ for a long time. I think it's circumstantial. What if Maia goes in, does work, and submits Silva in the first round? I doubt anyone would want to see an immediate rematch if that happened.

I chose Sonnen because I don't believe in giving a fighter who lost their last fight(Marquardt) a shot at a title. Also, it would give Sonnen a chance for redemption. And as for Belfort, I'd much rather watch him fight Silva first, even if it isn't for a title.

Oh yeah, and fuck Michael Bisping.

Farmer, you need a 6th option... "No fucking way Maia wins this fight, so this topic is a laughable waste and was only created to try and invoke minimal interaction in an otherwise dead news day".

Who is BE?... Are they paid to create news?... Because if so someone needs to be fired for lacking any originality.

Anyway, I choose option 6... Wolf's thread thinks this topic is lacking...

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Farmer, you need a 6th option... "No fucking way Maia wins this fight, so this topic is a laughable waste and was only created to try and invoke minimal interaction in an otherwise dead news day".

Who is BE?... Are they paid to create news?... Because if so someone needs to be fired for lacking any originality.

Anyway, I choose option 6... Wolf's thread thinks this topic is lacking...

I think you're failing to realize that Maia does have a way to win this fight. Of course, the smart money's on Anderson, but Maia, more than anybody has a legitimate way to beat Anderson.

chorky777 wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Farmer, you need a 6th option... "No fucking way Maia wins this fight, so this topic is a laughable waste and was only created to try and invoke minimal interaction in an otherwise dead news day".

Who is BE?... Are they paid to create news?... Because if so someone needs to be fired for lacking any originality.

Anyway, I choose option 6... Wolf's thread thinks this topic is lacking...

I think you're failing to realize that Maia does have a way to win this fight. Of course, the smart money's on Anderson, but Maia, more than anybody has a legitimate way to beat Anderson.

Yeah, I'm failing to to realize Maia can fight... Okay. The only failure here is that people are thinking this will likely go any other way than Anderson v. Leities. Sure, there's a slim chance that Maia will actually make an effort to pull Anderson into his world. And there's ZERO chance Maia will stand and trade for longer than a few seconds... But, there's a huge chance (99.999%) that Maia gets knocked around, realizes what he is and who he's fighting and turtles up on the ground while accepting the boo's from the crowd because Anderson's too smart to lay down there with him...

Anderson via boring ass decision or highlight reel KO from knees, elbows, fists, feet or anything else that Anderson throws at him if he's dumb enough to stand with him...

I'd have-

Maia vs Belfort
Silva vs Sonnen

Winners fight each other

Immediate rematches are stupid unless the outcome of the first fight was controversial. I'm sorry, but just because Anderson was dominate in his respected division for so long doesn't mean he is guaranteed an instant rematch. Liddell, Hughes, Franklin, Tim, and Tito were not given this luxury. Anderson losing would completely split this division wide open and finally make 185 exciting for once. Giving Anderson an instant rematch defeats the purpose.

Sonnen more than deserves the winner of this fight.

Ninja wins.

As Ninja said, it really depends on the fight, close fight like Machida vs. Shogun, immediate rematch, but if Maia goes out and subs Anderson in the 2nd round, then have Sonnen fight Maia again, or have Vitor fight Maia, while Anderson takes on either Sonnen or Vitor for next shot.

I picked bisping because the question was who would get the shot not who deserves it.

1. There is no scheduled events in the UK so far this year and they need one with a title defense due to the fact they have never had one.

2.They really have lots invested in Bisping and the UK and want to please their fans.

I'll say Belfort but the answer isn't really clear cut.

Depends on how Mia wins and if there is demand for a rematch.