We are going to war with Syria

OU, Jesus was real, and probably one if the most gifted magicians 2000 years ago. I just don't believe anything religious, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.

Oggy, I don't support us getting into Amy kind of war with any country. I also think infowars is complete bullshit 90% of the time. Guess I play both sides of the fence at times.

Btw, I just shit lava out of my ass and it hurts like "uncle nite" at OU's house

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Btw, I just shit lava out of my ass and it hurts like "uncle nite" at OU's house

I offered to spit on it.

Well played sir

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

OU, Jesus was real, and probably one if the most gifted magicians 2000 years ago. I just don't believe anything religious, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.

Oggy, I don't support us getting into Amy kind of war with any country. I also think infowars is complete bullshit 90% of the time. Guess I play both sides of the fence at times.

I know, the only thing you worship under these cargo shorts.

Everyone knows I worship vagina

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

OU, Jesus was real, and probably one if the most gifted magicians 2000 years ago. I just don't believe anything religious, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.

Oggy, I don't support us getting into Amy kind of war with any country. I also think infowars is complete bullshit 90% of the time. Guess I play both sides of the fence at times.

as opposed to what? You think you are getting the truth from CNN, Fox, MSNBC? The same people who sold us the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on lies and propaganda?

Im glad you are against this war, but give alternative media a chance, it may be the only tool we have to prevent WW3.

And just so you know, the Infowars articles I've been posted are mostly sourcing AP, BBC, and other "main stream" news like this article here, where a highly respected AP and BBC journalist says Rebels admitted to mishandling chemical weapons given to them by the Saudi's.

Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack


Rebel Militants tell AP reporter they mishandled Saudi-supplied chemical weapons, causing accident

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
August 30, 2013

Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press journalist Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).

Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat al-Nusra.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak.

His claims are echoed by another female fighter named ‘K’, who told Gavlak, “They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them. We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of an opposition rebel, also told Gavlak, “My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” describing them as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.” The father names the Saudi militant who provided the weapons as Abu Ayesha.

According to Abdel-Moneim, the weapons exploded inside a tunnel, killing 12 rebels.

“More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government,” writes Gavlak.

If accurate, this story could completely derail the United States’ rush to attack Syria which has been founded on the “undeniable” justification that Assad was behind the chemical weapons attack. Dale Gavlak’s credibility is very impressive. He has been a Middle East correspondent for the Associated Press for two decades and has also worked for National Public Radio (NPR) and written articles for BBC.


The website on which the story originally appeared - Mint Press (which is currently down as a result of huge traffic it is attracting to the article) is a legitimate media organization based in Minnesota. The Minnesota Post did a profile on them last year.

Saudi Arabia’s alleged role in providing rebels, whom they have vehemently backed at every turn, with chemical weapons, is no surprise given the revelations earlier this week that the Saudis threatened Russia with terror attacks at next year’s Winter Olympics in Sochi unless they abandoned support for the Syrian President.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Prince Bandar allegedly told Vladimir Putin, the Telegraph reports.

The Obama administration is set to present its intelligence findings today in an effort prove that Assad’s forces were behind last week’s attack, despite American officials admitting to the New York Times that there is no “smoking gun” that directly links President Assad to the attack.

US intelligence officials also told the Associated Press that the intelligence proving Assad’s culpability is “no slam dunk.”

As we reported earlier this week, intercepted intelligence revealed that the Syrian Defense Ministry was making “panicked” phone calls to Syria’s chemical weapons department demanding answers in the hours after the attack, suggesting that it was not ordered by Assad’s forces.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Everyone knows I worship vagina

Vagina is the Islamic word for My Dick.

Oh and this isn't the start of WW3, no one wants WW3. Not us, not Russia, not China, not North Korea....well maybe North Korea but they can't do shit from that tiny island.

There will be another Civil War in the US before there is WW3. Don't Tread On Me.

Preach OU! Oggy you turn every political convo into a full time job so I'll keep it short. Infowars called a false flag on the marathon bombings and reported so many lies it was pathetic and ALL wrong. Alternative media baits people like you. I find BBC is a crock of shit unless you put a 12 after it. Ill get my news from the major outlets here and read between the agendas of each for my conclusion. You need to leave that site alone for your own good my friend. Trust me buddy, PLEASE!

OU wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Everyone knows I worship vagina

Vagina is the Islamic word for My Dick.

Oh and this isn't the start of WW3, no one wants WW3. Not us, not Russia, not China, not North Korea....well maybe North Korea but they can't do shit from that tiny island.

There will be another Civil War in the US before there is WW3. Don't Tread On Me.

Im sorry if you don't understand the geopolitical consequences of attacking Syria. This is loaded. If we attack Syria, then Iran attacks Israel, that is world war 3. That will involve Russia, and if it involves Russia it involves China. Im not making this up, look at what experts in geopolitics are saying. You cant just go attacking whoever you want and think there wont be consequences.

Im sorry but attacking Syria is literally the dumbest move we could make right now, unless world war is what we want.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Preach OU! Oggy you turn every political convo into a full time job so I'll keep it short. Infowars called a false flag on the marathon bombings and reported so many lies it was pathetic and ALL wrong. Alternative media baits people like you. I find BBC is a crock of shit unless you put a 12 after it. Ill get my news from the major outlets here and read between the agendas of each for my conclusion. You need to leave that site alone for your own good my friend. Trust me buddy, PLEASE!

BBC, I've learned to try not to show you the error in your ways anymore, you refuse to listen. I think deep down when you watch your main stream news you know you are being lied to, but maybe you like that. I'll intellectually debate you all day buddy, and I have the facts to back up what I say.

The brothers in the Boston Bombing are clearly patsies and the mainstream media is trying to say they were completely Americanized libertarains who listened to Alex Jones, also calling alex and all libertarians radical racist extremists. Wake up bro, seriously.

i'd probably get more responses if I made a thread about Miley Cyrus twerking


yea never mind that we are going into another unconstitutional undeclared war, never mind that we are now supporting and fighting on the same side as al-Qaeda, you know, the same group supposedly responsible for 911? The same group we are shredding our constitution to protect ourselves from? The same group that we are giving up our civil liberties and right to privacy to protect ourselves from? Yea, that al-Qaeda, althought lame stream media will tell you they are "Rebels" "freedom fighters" and "protesters".

Washington Post - (is this mainstream enough?)

Russia sharply steps up criticism of U.S. over Syria

By Will Englund, Saturday, August 31, 8:49 AM

MOSCOW – Russia dramatically escalated its denunciations of American threats to attack Syrian military targets on Saturday, as President Vladimir Putin called the arguments about chemical weapons that underlie the U.S. case “utter nonsense.”

The Foreign Ministry said a U.S. attack would be a “gross violation” of international law.

Speaking out for the first time since an alleged chemical weapons attack near Damascus on Aug. 21, Putin called on President Obama to find a nonviolent way out of the crisis.

“I would like to address Obama as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate: Before using force in Syria, it would be good to think about future casualties,” Putin told Russian news agencies in Vladivostok during a tour of the country’s flood-stricken Far East.

“Russia is urging you to think twice before making a decision on an operation in Syria,” he said.

Putin said he was sure the attack was the work of rebels trying to provoke international — and especially American — involvement in the Syrian conflict. The regime of Bashar al-Assad, he said, would have had no reason to use chemical weapons at a time when it had gained the upper hand in the fighting.

“While the Syrian army is on the offensive, saying that it is the Syrian government that used chemical weapons is utter nonsense,” Putin said.

On top of that, he said, the Obama administration’s “claims that proof exists, but is classified and cannot be presented to anybody, are below criticism. This is plain disrespect for their partners.”

Putin’s comments were soon underlined by a stern statement from the Foreign Ministry. After U.S. Ambassador Michael McFaul had finished a meeting with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov on Saturday, the ministry declared, “Russia has expressed its conviction that any forceful action against Syria that the U.S. could carry out in circumvention of the U.N. Security Council would be an act of aggression and a gross violation of international law.”

Putin said he was surprised by the vote in Britain’s Parliament on Thursday not to join a U.S. attack on Syrian military targets. “It shows that there are people guided by common sense there,” he said.

Putin said he and Obama have not discussed Syria since the alleged chemical weapons attack occurred.










Like I said, MASSIVE geopolitical consequences.

Pat Buchanan: Chemical Attack ‘Reeks Of False Flag Operation’



Mikael Thalen
Storyleak
August 31, 2013

During an interview with Newsmax Thursday, three-time presidential adviser Pat Buchanan joined the growing number of mainstream voices now specifically labeling the recent chemical attacks in Syria as a false flag.

“…First, this thing reeks of a false flag operation,” said Buchanan. “I would not understand or comprehend that Bashar al-Assad, no matter how bad a man he may be, would be so stupid as to order a chemical weapons attack on civilians in his own country when the immediate consequence of which might be that he would be at war with the United States. So this reeks of a false flag operation.”



Throughout the course of the Syrian conflict, the Obama administration and its western allies have continually failed at their attempts to bring down the Assad government. Despite the administration’s claims of an “undeniable” Assad chemical attack, US officials have continued to cast doubt on the evidence.

Evidence pointing to a rebel-backed false flag chemical attack to blame Assad has continued to pile up as public approval for a Syrian intervention crumbles. Not only did the British parliament vote down the Cameron government’s attempts to intervene militarily, A Reuters poll from earlier this week found that 91 percent of Americans oppose military air strikes.

percent of Americans oppose military air strikes.

Just last Thursday, Al-Qaeda-backed Syrian rebels admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they had carried out the chemical attacks after being supplied the weapons from Saudi Arabia. The information backs up comments made by Syria’s deputy foreign minister as well as multiple YouTube videos showing the US funded rebels launching chemical attacks with “Saudi factory” labeled weapons.

Ron Paul’s statement calling the chemical attacks a false flag while on Fox News last Wednesday has seemingly opened the flood gates for other journalists to come forward with their similar findings. During an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News Friday, photojournalist Jonathan Alpeyrie, who was kidnapped and held captive by Syrian rebels for 81 days last April, said he also believed the recent chemical attack was a rebel backed false flag operation.

While the mainstream media has ridiculed and almost completely ignored the historical reality of false flag operations, prominent voices within the alternative news have now forced the term into the public narrative. The power structure has begun to panic from what they themselves have deemed the “global political awakening.” Powerful documentary films have been incremental tools in relaying information to the public on historical examples of state-sponsored terror.

(Al-Qaeda Led) Syrian rebels plan raids to exploit Western strikes

Erika Solomon
Reuters
August 31, 2013

(Reuters) – Opposition fighters across Syria are preparing to launch attacks that exploit anticipated U.S.-led military strikes, but there are no plans to coordinate with Western forces, a Syrian rebel commander said on Saturday.

Qassim Saadeddine, a former Syrian army colonel and spokesman for the rebels’ Supreme Military Council, said the council had sent a selection of rebel groups a military plan of action to use if strikes took place.

“The hope is to take advantage when some areas are weakened by any strikes. We ordered some groups to prepare in each province, to ready their fighters for when the strike happens,” he told Reuters, speaking by Skype.

“They were sent a military plan that includes preparations to attack some of the targets we expect to be hit in foreign strikes, and some others that we hope to attack at the same time.”

oggy420 wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Preach OU! Oggy you turn every political convo into a full time job so I'll keep it short. Infowars called a false flag on the marathon bombings and reported so many lies it was pathetic and ALL wrong. Alternative media baits people like you. I find BBC is a crock of shit unless you put a 12 after it. Ill get my news from the major outlets here and read between the agendas of each for my conclusion. You need to leave that site alone for your own good my friend. Trust me buddy, PLEASE!

BBC, I've learned to try not to show you the error in your ways anymore, you refuse to listen. I think deep down when you watch your main stream news you know you are being lied to, but maybe you like that. I'll intellectually debate you all day buddy, and I have the facts to back up what I say.

The brothers in the Boston Bombing are clearly patsies and the mainstream media is trying to say they were completely Americanized libertarains who listened to Alex Jones, also calling alex and all libertarians radical racist extremists. Wake up bro, seriously.

I don't debate you because you always post a bunch of bull from crap sites. If a person actually believes the Boston was a false flag then I need not talk about or debate it. I've learned reasoning with crazy people is a dead end. I'm calling a spade a spade here on this subject. You're not crazy like I can't take ya out with the family, just crazy where I have to leave ya at the club when politics get brought up. As far as intellect...you clearly have me there bro. As far as the nerve gas, I do now think it could be either side. I'm waiting to hear what the UN says and go from there. Back to football now.

in his defense he just quoted the washington post.

Bird is much more of a fawner licking Baracks balloon knot at every turn

In this thread I have sourced :

Ron Paul from Neil Cavuto show on fox

AP and BBC - Dale Gavlak’s credibility is very impressive. He has been a Middle East correspondent for the Associated Press for two decades and has also worked for National Public Radio (NPR) and written articles for BBC.

POLITICO

Reuters

Washington Post

a three-time presidential adviser

and yes, Infowars and WeAreChange independent media for the anti-war protesters interviews.

Yet according to the peanut gallery I " always post a bunch of bull from crap sites". Some people like to just stick their fingers in their ears and act like a little child disobeying their parents because their brain cant process truth or critical thinking of any kind.

Im sorry if actually questioning the status-quo and thinking for yourself, rather than being told what to think by your tv, makes you mad or upset. That doesn't make me the bad guy, that doesn't make me crazy. Look in the mirror before slandering someone as crazy.

And you wont catch me in any clubs bbc. Those over priced drinks and cheap hooker wannabe's is all you man.

I hear ya there. I can't stand paying 5 bucks for a beer when I can buy a 6 pack for that. Anyway, when are we gonna talk Miley Cyrus?

I missed the first part oggy. I was being sarcastic and don't think you're crazy. Extremely passionate, yes. Crazy, no.

GOP CONGRESSMAN: Military Members Keep Telling Me To Vote No On Syria

PAUL SZOLDRA
Business Insider
September 1, 2013

After President Obama delivered a speech in the Rose Garden where he said the United States “should” strike Syria following a deadly chemical weapons attack, Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) took to Twitter to dispute that claim with comments from those who would likely carry out that order.

“I’ve been hearing a lot from members of our Armed Forces,” Amash tweeted. “The message I consistently hear: Please vote no on military action against Syria.”

Now that Obama has deferred to congressional debate, a vote on striking Syria would likely come up on the week of Sep. 9. The President probably has the support of the Senate, but the vote could have some trouble in the House, as Josh Barro points out.

Since Amash’s initial tweet, he’s been retweeting comments that have been sent in from military members and veterans. Many of my own military sources have expressed reservations with action in Syria, especially following service in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

some of the tweets :

MR. King @derekking1980 tweets - @repjustinamash 13 year USAF vet here...thanks for actually appreciating our constitution! Vote no to actions in Syria!
#constitution
7:01 PM - 31 Aug 2013 from Midwest City, OK, United States



George @jorge5863 tweets -@repjustinamash Former Army Ranger. 2 tours in Iraq. 1 tour in Afghanistan. Please vote no on military action in Syria.
7:02 PM - 31 Aug 2013


Liberty_'66er @Liberty_Radio66 tweets - @repjustinamash Army Veteran here. Paratrooper. 20 years. 2X in Iraq. Vote "no". Please sir. No more nation building chicanery.
6:38 PM - 31 Aug 2013


CJ Denbo @elDenbo tweets - @repjustinamash former Marine (not in your district) vote no please and thank you.
6:34 PM - 31 Aug 2013 from Indiana, US, United States

Matt Drennan @DrennanMatt tweets - @repjustinamash Navy vet here. 9 years. I know you will vote no. Thank you!
6:32 PM - 31 Aug 2013

Big no to attacking Syria.

And I hate that so many lefties are now calling for war while so many righties including military personnel who so supported Bush's war, are now doves.

And I'd like to think Obama does not fall into the former, and thus we see him dragging his feet and trying to find an out for his "red line" comment.

Though I really don't see an attack as leading to WW3.

IMO Obama or his aides made a brilliant move, He is leaving it to congress wiping his hands of the matter. If congress votes no he can state that he was in favor looking strong to those supportive of the move. IF congress votes yes and it turns out badly he can fall back on the vote. Great political chess match being played here kudos to whomever came up with the strategy