We are going to war with Syria

On Tuesday, Secretary of State John Kerry testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about form American intervention into the Syrian civil war would take. When Kerry was asked by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) about what guarantees President Barack Obama's administration could give that intervention would not require "boots on the ground," Kerry's response did not satisfy Menendez's concerns.

During the wide-ranging hearing, Menendez asked Kerry about the language of a possible congressional resolution authorizing force against Syria. "Would you tell us whether you believe that a prohibition for having American boots on the ground, is that something that the administration would accept as part of a resolution?" Menendez asked.

"Mr. Chairman, it would be preferable not to," Kerry replied. "Not because there is any plan or desire whatsoever to have boots on the ground."

Kerry said that "in the event Syria imploded" or "in the event there was a threat of a chemical weapons cache falling into the hands of al-Nusra or someone else" would the option to have combat boots on the ground be necessary.

Menendez took issue with this statement and said that some language amenable to the White House prohibiting boots on the ground would have to be crafted.

Oh so Putin is the good guy?
He's just arming Assad with attack helicopters but Putin ya he cares about
Civilian population

Your a twit oggy
Not even worth the time have fun living in your anti American bubble

I didn't know Kerry superseded pbamas authority

"my answer is simple I will not put American boots on the ground in Syria"
-president Obama

regardless of whether there would be troops engaged in ground fighting, dropping massive bombs, killing more innocent people, and adding to the chaos would not accomplish anything positive.

What is the point of taking out Assad if Islamic Extremist groups that are well known to be fighting with the "Rebels" of the free Syrian army, take over.

What has been accomplished in Iraq?

What has been accomplished in Afghanistan?

What has been accomplished in Libya?

Are any of those places better off now? After we bombed the fuck out of their countries and left depleted uranium everywhere?

Birdofthad wrote:

Oh so Putin is the good guy?
He's just arming Assad with attack helicopters but Putin ya he cares about
Civilian population

Your a twit oggy
Not even worth the time have fun living in your anti American bubble

No. I never said Putin was a good guy. I just stated facts. Obama wanted war, Putin came to a peaceful diplomatic resolution. Is that wrong? Is that not factually accurate? Cause you might want to let America and the rest of the world know that Obama saved us from war, cause we all must be pretty confused.

Birdofthad wrote:

Cheeky then why did Romney say he supported possible boots in tr ground in Syria during the 3rd debate

I don't pull stuff out of my ass
McCain and Romney made it clear they want an escalation in syria
Guess you don't remember Romney wanting troops in Syria
http://rt.com/news/romney-attack-assad-syria-531/

What I said about McCain & Romney was facetious, I don't know or much care what they think about Syria, I was just joking about the pieces of shit they very obviously are.

What i said about Obama was true however, he took our PM for the opportunist, weak willed faggot he is and leaned on him to illegally take our troops to war again. Make of that what you will, but such conduct is a strong indication that Obama is every bit the vermin so many of his peers are.

cheeky what do you think of Nigel Farage?

General Wesley Clark:
Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"


Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.

Obama is continuing the military domination of the Bush administrations agenda to take over the middle east and North Africa. As well as launch a few wars of his own...

Oggy it's sad because you clearly wish Obama had put boots on the ground that way you could scream
About your anti American conspiracy theories
To bad nothing you have said has come to fruition
Now your grasping at straws saying well what Obama does still pisses me off

It's clear you just don't like Obama
He has handled this situation about a good as you can
But oggy has got to find something I bitch about

So whebs world war 3 starting numb nuts ?

Oggy I have net Wesley Clark
I posted his video you are referencing ON THIS VERY SITE
the speech is from 2007
Clark ran for president as a democrat in 2008 ( met him at a campaign dinner)
Attempting to quote him from 2007 of proof of Obama evilness proves you missed the purpose of the speech

He was showing the bush administrations reaction to 9-11 was to knock off dictators in the middle east

Your post has nothin to do with the modern Syrian civil war

Clark said this plan was made in 2001 and was supposed to play out over 5 years

I guess oggy isn't one for facts

oggy420 wrote:

cheeky what do you think of Nigel Farage?

i suspect that inside beats the heart of a right wing extremist.

Bird

im trying to turn a new page here. I do not wish to start name calling back and forth. Please keep your arguments respectful and intellectual and I will do the same.

I let you in on a little secret.

in 2008 I voted for Obama. I was not awake then, and I knew it was wrong to fully trust a politician but I was so sick of what we were getting from the Bush admin that I just wanted to vote for what I perceived to be the opposite.

Obama said all the right things, ran as a peace candidate, and unfortunately I could not be more disappointed in him. He has continued the same foreign policy, made economic conditions worse, and has made criticism of the political establishment taboo, because now if you criticize Obama you are marginalized as a racist or crazy right winger.

I am not anti-American. I understand what America is supposed to represent. America is supposed to lead by example, not by force of arms. The things that made this country great are no longer. Collusion of corporations, wall street, the FED, lobbyist groups, have completely destroyed our once representative system. Our government no longer represents "We the people". It represents its own financial interests and keeping the elite at the top.

No greater example of this than Obama exempting himself and his cronies from Obamacare.

Ok buddy I'm sorry

But how do you say ending the war in Iraq and settin the withdrawal timetable for Afghanistan isn't peaceful
Even rand Paul supports droning terrorists.

cheekynffc wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

cheeky what do you think of Nigel Farage?

i suspect that inside beats the heart of a right wing extremist.

hmm I strongly disagree. There is a clear difference between Ukip and the conservative party. Like the difference between a Ron Paul type libertarian and a neo-con repub like McCain or Lindsey Graham.

Bird, in your honest assessment, leaving out the left right paradigm, is there anything Obama has done that has disappointed you? Anything you would criticize him for?

oggy420 wrote:

cheekynffc wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

cheeky what do you think of Nigel Farage?

i suspect that inside beats the heart of a right wing extremist.

hmm I strongly disagree. There is a clear difference between Ukip and the conservative party. Like the difference between a Ron Paul type libertarian and a neo-con repub like McCain or Lindsey Graham.

the conservatives aren't right wing, they're only marginally to the right of the labour and both are rooted squarely in the middle of the road these days.

ukip need to be careful not to drift off into BNP territory, farange certainly isn't a libertarian.

Birdofthad wrote:

Ok buddy I'm sorry

But how do you say ending the war in Iraq and settin the withdrawal timetable for Afghanistan isn't peaceful
Even rand Paul supports droning terrorists.

Obama didn't end the war in Iraq. He talked a big game before he knew the facts then stepped in and realized Bush was doing the right thing and continued to follow his exit plan. He did a lot of that. Talk shit on how Bush was handling shit just to look good then when he got all the info he realized he couldn't do anything better then they were already doing. What got him elected for his 1st term is not what he actually did in his 1st term. "Yes We Can". He pimped the ignorant American public with slogans and optimism when in reality he couldn't do anything better then what was already being done.

oggy420 wrote:

Bird, in your honest assessment, leaving out the left right paradigm, is there anything Obama has done that has disappointed you? Anything you would criticize him for?

Yes he acted to try ksm , ramzi bin al shibh and the other perpetrators of 9-11
Fox and republicans freaked out and blocked this from happening
This sad the first step in closing Gitmo
Because the American public was against trying these bastards in court pike we did after the 1993 wtc bombing.
This is why gitmo is still open and we are trying them in pur invented military tribunals
I wish Obama had said fuck the republicans and showed the world that we can try terrorists in our courts.
That's my main gripe with Obama
He could have forced that trial on the American people and closed gitmo but he didnt.

OU wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Ok buddy I'm sorry

But how do you say ending the war in Iraq and settin the withdrawal timetable for Afghanistan isn't peaceful
Even rand Paul supports droning terrorists.

Obama didn't end the war in Iraq. He talked a big game before he knew the facts then stepped in and realized Bush was doing the right thing and continued to follow his exit plan. He did a lot of that. Talk shit on how Bush was handling shit just to look good then when he got all the info he realized he couldn't do anything better then they were already doing. What got him elected for his 1st term is not what he actually did in his 1st term. "Yes We Can". He pimped the ignorant American public with slogans and optimism when in reality he couldn't do anything better then what was already being done.

So Obama pulled the American troops out of Iraq using a withdrawal tineline
Ya he didn't end the war

Seriously how do y'all lie to yourselves like this ?

Ou you seem to be forgetting John McCain was who Obama was running against and he wanted to stay in Iraq and leave only after iraq was secure in his mind.

If you seriously want to debate George bushs failed Iraq war policy with me we
Can do that anytime you want

George Bush's exit plan is the exit plan that was used. Obama's express plan was thrown out the window when he realized he didn't know shit. The exit plan was in place long before Obama had any kind of authority. He even admitted the current plan in place seemed to be the correct plan. Which is why he went with it. I'm not hating on Obama but he doesn't deserve any credit for leaving Iraq. Bush gets more hate then needed and Obama gets more credit then deserved in that situation.
I'm not saying the war in Iraq was right or the plan was correct. However the exit strategy had begun under the Bush administration and Obama doesn't deserve the credit just because it ended under his.

But he does deserve credit considering the entire republican party went crazy in him for following the exit strategy
Remember web Louie Gohnerr was attempting to recreate te ottoman empire by leaving Iraq , to early?

Remember John McCain getting pissed at Mott Romney for using the word timetables ??

What credit does bush deserve for Iraq ?
He invaded on false pretenses
He said we didn't need the half a million man force that was required by military protocol
He fired the Iraqi military and police
Then said we couldn't leave until iraqification was complete (building Iraqi police and military units)
Then a civil war erupted
Republicans lost 2006 elections
Bush fires Rumsfeld that week and puts more troops in Iraq at the end of 2006

But ya George deserves more praise
He was flat out wrong and on the verge of completely losing the war
You shouldn't get praised for realizing you needed to change strategy in 2006