Who wins? GSP vs...

If you want to bet on GSP over Hendricks I would do it now, not likely to see GSP this long again.

Cu Bu wrote:

just read the rest of the thread

the size of these MWs is the determination . I think gsp walks at 185ish and at 5'11 when he is in kickboxing range some of these guys will be jabbing his face. I also think his tds are going to be less effective against the MWS but its fun to speculate

I have sonnen laying on gsp enough for the win and while I think he is better martial artist then rockhold wand and even franklin i think the size/power would be the deciding factor
(size and reach for frankin and rock) wand would be able to deter a td or 2 and eventually flurry

He said right now he walks around at 192.

I think Sonnen's and GSP's wrestling cancel each other out. GSP is a much better striker though and would win it on the feet.

People have to also factor in that GSP would be much quicker than the bigger guys at 185.

Or the fact GSP would turn the notch to MW on his strength training regimen while still probably maintaining a nearly unmatched explosiveness that sets up his game.

lets face it at 32 and with the amount of workload a fighter has your not gaining muscle. If he walks at 192 thats better than I thought depending on if thats at the start of a training camp or during his off time. He would have advantage of not having to cut weight and as GDP said if he was able to be as explosive with extra weight. I think speed would be negated some by reach .

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU, why Okami but not Chael

Really I could see GSP beating both. I probably should have. I don't see either hurting GSP on the feet and I don't see either really holding GSP down longer then GSP will hold them down. Okami has more heart then Sonnen. I think he is harder to break mentally then Chael is. But I should have picked GSP there probably.

Strongly disagree with that statement. Okami has folded in the 3rd round of 2 of his last 3 fights and has Lombard to thank for sitting in his guard. He clearly wanted nothing to do with Anderson after about 2 minutes. Chael might have a sub weakness which you're basing this off of but he's a lot harder to break than Yushin

didn't chael dominate okami for 3 rounds, and yet he breaks easier?

GSP ain't subbing anyone off his back either, he is all top game which is why i think he would be like a fish out of water if chael took him down and got on top

oggy420 wrote:

didn't chael dominate okami for 3 rounds, and yet he breaks easier?

GSP ain't subbing anyone off his back either, he is all top game which is why i think he would be like a fish out of water if chael took him down and got on top

When was the last time you saw GSP on his back for a long time? we don't know how good he is off his back.

oggy420 wrote:

didn't chael dominate okami for 3 rounds, and yet he breaks easier?

GSP ain't subbing anyone off his back either, he is all top game which is why i think he would be like a fish out of water if chael took him down and got on top

+1 but I think GSP gets Chael down more often than Chael gets GSP.

oggy420 wrote:

That was when he was basically knocked out from a punch not from grappling.

freakzilla wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

That was when he was basically knocked out from a punch not from grappling.

haha i know i just like that gif

Farmer1906 wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

didn't chael dominate okami for 3 rounds, and yet he breaks easier?

GSP ain't subbing anyone off his back either, he is all top game which is why i think he would be like a fish out of water if chael took him down and got on top

+1 but I think GSP gets Chael down more often than Chael gets GSP.

how so? Chael is bigger, stronger, and on paper a better wrestler. As long as Chael played it smart and didn't try any crazy spinning stuff he could potentially get GSP down and his top game is nasty

Cu Bu wrote:

lets face it at 32 and with the amount of workload a fighter has your not gaining muscle. If he walks at 192 thats better than I thought depending on if thats at the start of a training camp or during his off time. He would have advantage of not having to cut weight and as GDP said if he was able to be as explosive with extra weight. I think speed would be negated some by reach .

I disagree. When GSP turns 32 he can still throw another plate on the bar and he said numerous times that he would take the time to put that extra plate on the bar, among other things, if he moved up to 185. The GSP that prepares to fight at 170 would not be the GSP taking a fight at 185. He cuts 22 pounds for WW, I could see him dropping 15 to 20 for a fight at MW, he is not just going to cut 7 pounds as opposed to 22.

He would build himself to over 200 pounds before he would fight at MW. If it's no hindrance to Hector Lombard who is 2 inches shorter than GSP and has a 5 inch reach less than GSP then I don't see GSP being too small for a lot of MW's besides guys like Anderson and Hendo if he moved down.

GSP vs Hendricks
GSP vs Rory
GSP vs Maia
GSP vs Ellenberger
GSP vs Jacare
GSP vs Sonnen
GSP vs Okami
GSP vs Vitor
GSP vs Franklin
GSP vs Wanderlei
GSP vs Rockhold
GSP vs Lombard
GSP vs Spider

freakzilla wrote:

People have to also factor in that GSP would be much quicker than the bigger guys at 185.

A couple years ago yes but now with the constant injuries and plans of bulking up I don't necessarily think he'll be faster than all of them.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Cu Bu wrote:

lets face it at 32 and with the amount of workload a fighter has your not gaining muscle. If he walks at 192 thats better than I thought depending on if thats at the start of a training camp or during his off time. He would have advantage of not having to cut weight and as GDP said if he was able to be as explosive with extra weight. I think speed would be negated some by reach .

I disagree. When GSP turns 32 he can still throw another plate on the bar and he said numerous times that he would take the time to put that extra plate on the bar, among other things, if he moved up to 185. The GSP that prepares to fight at 170 would not be the GSP taking a fight at 185. He cuts 22 pounds for WW, I could see him dropping 15 to 20 for a fight at MW, he is not just going to cut 7 pounds as opposed to 22.

point recieved, Its fun to wonder and if anyone could go up and do well I would bet GSP but throwing another plate on during workouts isnt going to elicit physiological change unless he really ups his calories which is hard to do when training hrs a day. Neurologically a great athlete like Gsp has already exhausted motor unit recruitment so his only hope to bulk up would be to take significant time off and try to pack on the pounds. During this time he would loose some VO2 max due to hypothetical muscle gain.

When GSP does attempt tp move up to MW he should hire Mackie Shilstone, he's the guy who helped Roy Jones Jr bulk up for his HW fight.

Cu Bu wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Cu Bu wrote:

lets face it at 32 and with the amount of workload a fighter has your not gaining muscle. If he walks at 192 thats better than I thought depending on if thats at the start of a training camp or during his off time. He would have advantage of not having to cut weight and as GDP said if he was able to be as explosive with extra weight. I think speed would be negated some by reach .

I disagree. When GSP turns 32 he can still throw another plate on the bar and he said numerous times that he would take the time to put that extra plate on the bar, among other things, if he moved up to 185. The GSP that prepares to fight at 170 would not be the GSP taking a fight at 185. He cuts 22 pounds for WW, I could see him dropping 15 to 20 for a fight at MW, he is not just going to cut 7 pounds as opposed to 22.

point recieved, Its fun to wonder and if anyone could go up and do well I would bet GSP but throwing another plate on during workouts isnt going to elicit physiological change unless he really ups his calories which is hard to do when training hrs a day. Neurologically a great athlete like Gsp has already exhausted motor unit recruitment so his only hope to bulk up would be to take significant time off and try to pack on the pounds. During this time he would loose some VO2 max due to hypothetical muscle gain.

wat da hayle u just say ta me?