Vitor vs Jones at 152

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freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

How was Barao that far ahead of McDonald? Just curious to your comparison. How far ahead of the competition do you need to be? Being ahead of a talented pack of fighters isn't enough?

Because he destroyed Urijah Faber.

Yeah but McDonald was just as deserving of fighting for that title against Faber as Barao was. He could have easily been the one in there instead of Barao.

I'm not talking about ifs, right now Barao is the clear cut number 1 contender.

freakzilla wrote:

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freakzilla wrote:

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freakzilla wrote:

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freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

How was Barao that far ahead of McDonald? Just curious to your comparison. How far ahead of the competition do you need to be? Being ahead of a talented pack of fighters isn't enough?

Because he destroyed Urijah Faber.

Yeah but McDonald was just as deserving of fighting for that title against Faber as Barao was. He could have easily been the one in there instead of Barao.

I'm not talking about ifs, right now Barao is the clear cut number 1 contender.

McDonald was just as deserving of the shot as Barao. If Barao takes a fight before Cruz is able to come back it will be against McDonald. I think you chose a poor comparison. Barao isn't the #1 contender, he is the Interim Champion.

No arguing that Barao is #1 contender to Cruz being the INterim Champ, but McDonald was no less deserving of fighting Faber than Barao, just the hand injury. And no one is really complaining Barao got the Faber shot. He deserved it. He is now ahead of McDonald of course but it just as easily could be Mayday in that situation.

GDPofDRC wrote:

No arguing that Barao is #1 contender to Cruz being the INterim Champ, but McDonald was no less deserving of fighting Faber than Barao, just the hand injury. And no one is really complaining Barao got the Faber shot. He deserved it. He is now ahead of McDonald of course but it just as easily could be Mayday in that situation.

Yeah I agree with that. My point was that at this very moment Barao deserves the shot for sure. I think Barao beats Cruz then McDonald gets the shot against Barao. That will be a great fight.

freakzilla wrote:

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No arguing that Barao is #1 contender to Cruz being the INterim Champ, but McDonald was no less deserving of fighting Faber than Barao, just the hand injury. And no one is really complaining Barao got the Faber shot. He deserved it. He is now ahead of McDonald of course but it just as easily could be Mayday in that situation.

Yeah I agree with that. My point was that at this very moment Barao deserves the shot for sure. I think Barao beats Cruz then McDonald gets the shot against Barao. That will be a great fight.

Again you are making a horrible comparison. There is an interim title involved and I don't see how you can compare this situation to the one at MW. It's not very often that your "#1 contender" is holding a belt that says "UFC Champion".

Worth being brought up. Cause this situation will go to another level of face palm if we have to suffer through another shuffle.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3265483/ufc-152-vitor-belfort-vs-jon-jones-injuries
We shouldn't get our hopes up too high, because Vitor might not even make it to Toronto on September 22nd.

The Phenom has knocked out fourteen opponents in his career, often with highlight-reel finishes. But he has also done great damage to his hands in the process, and sustained a multitude of other injuries as well. He has consistently had issues over the course of his career, and it's only gotten worse in the last four years. Let's look at a brief list:

Affliction: Day of Reckoning vs. Matt Lindland - hand injury (card was rescheduled, fought Lindland anyway)
UFC 112 vs. Anderson Silva - injured shoulder, removed from card
UFC 133 vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama - contracted Hepatitis A, still fought
UFC 139 vs. Cung Le - undisclosed injury, removed from card
UFC 147 vs. Wanderlei Silva - broken hand, required surgery, removed from card

Yeah Vitor's violence is legendary, that is why I to me he is near the top of any division he wants. When Silva is the only guy you have fought and not KO'd or subbed the first round in 5 years at this level, your worthy of big things. I can never complain about the opportunities he is afforded because he does well to make me think he earns them.

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Yeah Vitor's violence is legendary, that is why I to me he is near the top of any division he wants. When Silva is the only guy you have fought and not KO'd or subbed the first round in 5 years at this level, your worthy of big things. I can never complain about the opportunities he is afforded because he does well to make me think he earns them.

I don't hate on Vitor at all. He was willing to set up and fight Fedor, I think that was the Affliction card? He seems willing to fight the elite fighters regardless of weight class. I just don't like the UFC's decision to go with Vitor. Just seems like there are plenty of better options. Also I was really looking forward to Belfort vs Belcher.

I'd rather see Vitor at 205 with legend type matchups (Hendo rematch, Shogun, Rampage if he sticks around) down the last couple years of his career anyway. Hopefully he stays here

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I don't know if this has been posted yet but Vitor has joined Blackzillians to prepare for this fight.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/30370/vitor-belfort-joins-blackazilians-in-advance-of-ufc-152-title-fight-against-jon-jones.mma

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"Lorenzo said, 'So many fighters have become divas. They need beauty salons,'" Belfort said. "As soon as he asked me, I said, 'Lorenzo, I come from Carlson Gracie's time. I come from the old days.' I said, 'Let's do it.'"

Ali wrote:

I don't know if this has been posted yet but Vitor has joined Blackzillians to prepare for this fight.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/30370/vitor-belfort-joins-blackazilians-in-advance-of-ufc-152-title-fight-against-jon-jones.mma

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"Lorenzo said, 'So many fighters have become divas. They need beauty salons,'" Belfort said. "As soon as he asked me, I said, 'Lorenzo, I come from Carlson Gracie's time. I come from the old days.' I said, 'Let's do it.'"

Lol who was calling Jones a diva at the bader fight, this guy.

"Vitor is a stud when he believes in himself," said Sonnen to MMAmania.com when asked what he thought the chances were the 185-pound striker could take down the 205-pound champion in Toronto.

While Sonnen believes Vitor can be a "stud," the oddsmakers don't have the same faith in "The Phenom," who currently sits as a 13-1 underdog. Should Vitor be able to pull off the victory against "Bones," it will be the first time he will have UFC gold around his waist since losing his 205-pound title to Randy Couture at UFC 149 way back in 2004.

Blackzillians camp, that is a camp with tons of talent and inability to put it all together, the only one there that has a winstreak is Michael Johnson, Rumble can't make weight on the regular,Rashad got outclassed in April, maybe they can break the streak with this one.

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Blackzillians camp, that is a camp with tons of talent and inability to put it all together, the only one there that has a winstreak is Michael Johnson, Rumble can't make weight on the regular,Rashad got outclassed in April, maybe they can break the streak with this one.

Rashad lost to Bones, who should be a full weight class ahead of them. Rashad looked great when he was injured vs Davis.

I cannot wait for the press conference for 152, things are going to be so frosty between Dana and Bones.

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Ali wrote:

I cannot wait for the press conference for 152, things are going to be so frosty between Dana and Bones.

Just ashame Bones won't have the audacity to create a provocative t-shirt.

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"I know Jon Jones and his camp has his [reasons], they know what is best from them, I'm not going to take any position on that," Belfort said. "He's a grown-up boy, he has his crew, his manager, they made their choice, that's the choice that's best for them. If he didn't make that choice, I wouldn't have the chance, so I'm very happy he didn't take the [Sonnen] fight. I think [Chael Sonnen] didn't deserve [a shot at Jones because of] the loss [to Anderson Silva], the way he lost. I think someone deserves it, but [Sonnen] doesn't have a history in that weight division in the UFC. I have history in that division, I have history at the heavyweight division, I have history at the middleweight division, I think it's fair, they way it end up. I think the fans are getting something that's fair. I think, basically, what I think is right, what I think is wrong, I can only speak for myself."

I like Vitor, I'm pulling for him big here. But he has no place talking about how anyone lost to Anderson Silva. No one was done as dirty as Vitor.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/9/5/3294037/ufc-152-vitor-belfort-jon-jones-history
Vitor Belfort is fighting Jon Jones in the main event of UFC 152 in just a few weeks. It's a curious match-up, but one that wouldn't be happening if Dan Henderson had been able to remain healthy and not pull out of his UFC 151 bout with Jones, resulting in the cancellation of the entire card when Jones wouldn't accept a fight with Chael Sonnen.

The thing that makes it most strange is that Vitor Belfort hasn't fought at light heavyweight in quite some time.

How long has it been since Vitor fought in an actual light heavyweight fight?

This guy was still a senator:


While this thing had only been on sale in the United States for a couple months (and wasn't yet released in the UK):


But so much more has happened since Vitor Belfort fought in the division in which he will receive a title shot.

Just in the MMA world we've seen the entire MMA career of Brock Lesnar, Affliction came and went, EliteXC happened and got on network TV, doing huge ratings on the back of Kimbo Slice, Strikeforce became a big deal, getting themselves on network TV, then getting bounced because of a post-fight brawl, then getting bought by Zuffa, Bellator came into existence and got a deal with ESPN Desportes, then Fox Sports Net, then MTV2 and now has a deal with Spike TV.

19 different men have won UFC gold.

Oh yeah, and Jon Jones made his mixed martial arts debut.

The national average for a gallon of gas the week of Belfort's last light heavyweight bout was $2.81.

A little under a year after Belfort beat James Zikic, Michael Phelps became a household name, dominating the competition at the 2008 Olympic Games.

Ninjas Place didn't exist.

Manny Pacquiao wouldn't become a major star until over a year later when he dominated Oscar De La Hoya in December of 2008.

Barry Bonds retired after a season in which he broke the all-time home run record.

Movies like Iron Man, The Dark Knight, that horrible new Indiana Jones and Step Brothers all came out. Avatar, which feels like a lifetime ago, didn't come out until over two years after Belfort's last light heavyweight bout.

It was a different world when Belfort was still fighting at light heavyweight, and yet he'll get the chance to wear the crown at UFC 152. That may seem a little crazy, but it's not as crazy as when you realize that his last win over a legitimate top-tier light heavyweight came back at UFC 46, on a weird eyelid cut of Randy Couture.

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Wasn't Belfort vs. Rumble technically a LHW fight ?

Ali wrote:

Wasn't Belfort vs. Rumble technically a LHW fight ?

No, it was a catchweight fight. 197lbs.