Vitor vs Jones at 152

I am hoping Vitor, who was a LHW, KOs Jones and they cut him. That is my prayer.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I am hoping Vitor, who was a LHW, KOs Jones and they cut him. That is my prayer.

You and 99% of the rest of the World. No one is pulling for Jones.

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Weidman is a fight away from serious title talk.

Maybe according to you, but I think a large % of fans think he is ready. Dana himself has implied that Chris has done enough. Chael Sonnen thinks Chris has done enough. There is a good % of fighters and fans that consider Chris to be the current #1 contender and deserving of his shot. Chris is begging for it, but he seems to be going about it too respectfully.

Silva say a lot of weak shit but he is right about Weidman. He should not be considered a serious contender today. I think he needs to be booked against Alan Belcher right now, then I can take seriously any contender talk between the two of them. To me Belcher and Weidman are on equeal ground, ground where bisping or stann will be standing as well when they fight.

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

GDPofDRC wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Weidman is a fight away from serious title talk.

Maybe according to you, but I think a large % of fans think he is ready. Dana himself has implied that Chris has done enough. Chael Sonnen thinks Chris has done enough. There is a good % of fighters and fans that consider Chris to be the current #1 contender and deserving of his shot. Chris is begging for it, but he seems to be going about it too respectfully.

Silva say a lot of weak shit but he is right about Weidman. He should not be considered a serious contender today. I think he needs to be booked against Alan Belcher right now, then I can take seriously any contender talk between the two of them. To me Belcher and Weidman are on equeal ground, ground where bisping or stann will be standing as well when they fight.

I disagree. I think what Chris has done to date is comparable to every MW that has received a shot.

Finally some sense whn it comes to Wiedman, OU, I really don't blame Anderson for not wanting to fight him. You speak as it hes beaten everyone and Anderson is scared of the guy

killerofchicken wrote:

Finally some sense whn it comes to Wiedman, OU, I really don't blame Anderson for not wanting to fight him. You speak as it hes beaten everyone and Anderson is scared of the guy

Why is Chris required to clean out the division when no one else was? His resume is comparable to every single MW challenger that has ever fought for the title. Why is he being held to a higher standard then previous challengers?

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Aww sweet Weidman vs. Belcher should definitely happen now, good call GDP. The winner of that will unanimously be the #1 contender IMO.

Whoa really? Silva existed before entering the UFC in a big fucking way. People thought Franklin should of been his first UFC fight.

OU wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

Finally some sense whn it comes to Wiedman, OU, I really don't blame Anderson for not wanting to fight him. You speak as it hes beaten everyone and Anderson is scared of the guy

Why is Chris required to clean out the division when no one else was? His resume is comparable to every single MW challenger that has ever fought for the title. Why is he being held to a higher standard then previous challengers?

He's the least known MW on the roster... Besides, Belchar needs a fight in Rio anyways

Tthe fact that this conversation exists and has been on going over a month is testament to how muddled the #1 contender spot at MW is. The clear #1 contender is not Weidman, or anyone definitively at this point.

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

GDPofDRC wrote:

Tthe fact that this conversation exists and has been on going over a month is testament to how muddled the #1 contender spot at MW is. The clear #1 contender is not Weidman, or anyone definitively at this point.

Well go ahead and file me in the group that considers Weidman to be the #1 contender. I'm far from alone.

Munoz has solidly confirmed his bust status the past 12 months. And much to my own chagrin because I like Munoz. Myself and others didn't even score the maia fight for weidman, his recent prowess is overstated to me.

When it comes to making money, which Anderson seems to be all about lately, an indication that he's counting his days, Weidman offers the LEAST! That is why Anderson was willing to step in on 8 days notice because Dana would have payed up the ying yang and that is why he wants to fight GSP, it's really simple, Weidman would be his least known opponent in ages

Anderson Silva had already been a Shooto and Cage Rage champion.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Munoz has solidly confirmed his bust status the past 12 months. And much to my own chagrin because I like Munoz. Myself and others didn't even score the maia fight for weidman, his recent prowess is overstated to me.

Well more people thought Chris beat Maia then Sonnen beat Bisping. But he still got that shot. Chris took that fight on short notice so he should get somewhat of a pass on that. He has looked great vs everyone where he had a full camp to train for. That includes the complete domination of Munoz who was in line for a title shot himself. I don't see how anyone can say Chris hasn't done as much or more then all recent title challengers.

killerofchicken wrote:

When it comes to making money, which Anderson seems to be all about lately, an indication that he's counting his days, Weidman offers the LEAST! That is why Anderson was willing to step in on 8 days notice because Dana would have payed up the ying yang and that is why he wants to fight GSP, it's really simple, Weidman would be his least known opponent in ages

Sounds like a Bonesish excuse to me. You are saying Anderson is being a business man and not a fighter, sounds familiar.

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

How was Barao that far ahead of McDonald? Just curious to your comparison. How far ahead of the competition do you need to be? Being ahead of a talented pack of fighters isn't enough?

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

How was Barao that far ahead of McDonald? Just curious to your comparison. How far ahead of the competition do you need to be? Being ahead of a talented pack of fighters isn't enough?

Because he destroyed Urijah Faber.

Barao is not far ahead of McDonald IMO at all. He took out Soto and Torres with KOTN first round finishes and absolutely brutal KOTNs at that. It's own level of impressiveness, right there with the great accomplishments of Barao. McDonald would of beat Faber to I think. Those two will fight one day though.

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Weidman should get the next title shot but it's not like he has run through the MW division. He's beaten Munoz and Maia.

He is 5-0 in the UFC. He took the Maia fight on short notice and he dominated Munoz who was ranked in the top 3. Who did Anderson beat to get his shot? 1 person, Chris Leben? What about Vitor? He beat Ace at a catchweight and didn't even fight at MW before that fight. What about Chael for his 1st shot? He LOST to Maia then won 3 straight and got his shot. How is Chris not eligible and these men are?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he wasn't eligible. I said he should get the next shot. It's just that I don't think he's that far ahead of Belcher, Stann or Bisping. I think he needs to beat 1 of them 3 or Vitor to be the undisputed number 1 contender.

Which one of those 3 holds a win over a fighter that was ranked in the top 3? Which one has the statement win that Chris has? Which one could you argue is over Chris? Cause you can argue Chris is over them all. But can you argue the reverse?

I said he is ahead of them, it's just that he's not that far ahead of them. He's not like Barao at 135. He deserves the shot but if Anderson is going to fight GSP then Weidman should fight either Belcher, Stann or Bisping next.

How was Barao that far ahead of McDonald? Just curious to your comparison. How far ahead of the competition do you need to be? Being ahead of a talented pack of fighters isn't enough?

Because he destroyed Urijah Faber.

Yeah but McDonald was just as deserving of fighting for that title against Faber as Barao was. He could have easily been the one in there instead of Barao.