Paul Ryan Attacks Obama for GM Factory that Closed Under Bush

captain organic wrote:

1)Well for many people, it's a pride thing, not everyone wants free money. So trick is, how do u get the disenfranchised poor, back into the prideful workforce. How do u inject that pride into what, in the most problematic areas, is a downtrodden psychology.

It's a worthy debate that no one is willing to get into, because they are stuck on the platform sound bites.

2)Sure it's easy, it should be easy for anyone. These people make Millions, or even billions.. And it's not for working harder, certainly not in porportion to what they make.. No one works harder then a nurse, and I'll say in many instances, what they do is more important then what some financial guy does. Yet the nurses get paid a fraction of what the rich make. By extension, while the rich get paid out of porportion to the work they put in, they should be taxed at higher %'s. Seems so clear to me. Remember these guys continue to be rich after the taxing. This is not a complete leveling of the field. Results show it's not even close actually. Rich are way up there, poor and even middle class, are way down there.

Also these people have huge sway over the "free market". They dictate where the money goes. There needs to be some balancing factor. Maybe it's unfortunate, and Im sure u red's don't want to hear it, but I see no other entity other then gov't that can effectuate any sort of balancing measures.

Its not up to a government to get disenfranchised people to be prideful and want to work. The government needs to create an environment where opportunities for people to earn them. If people are too down on their luck then sucks for them. If you do nothing you should not be compensated for it especially when its taken from people who earned it.

They work smarter, harder, and longer than most. If I go back to school, get my MBA and maybe even another degree. Climb the the company ladder. Put in the extra time and get paid. I expect to be treated the same as a school teacher who gets summers off or a nurse who might not even have a degree. I really feel like your philosophy would do a 180 if you earned big $$.

And a couple things should be noted

1)most tax $$$ is not turned around in a handout. It's nat'l defense, it's healthcare. Big misconception(or at least a false talking point by the right) that taxes from rich are given directly to the poor.

2)Most everyone agrees the rich should pay a higher %. Very few believe a flat tax is a legit option. So the question is not should the rich pay higher, but what is the %.

3)I don't mind the taxes I now pay. In NJ we pay very high property taxes. I don't sweat that very much. I don't have kids, don't plan on having any, but I think education is important.

4)Why are the poor necessarily people who do nothing? Again, this is right wing propaganda. "the poor are lazy." Or "the poor have earned their place in life."

5)Nurses by law have degrees, work important jobs and bust their asses.

6)U have no clue of how my philosophy would differ if I were to make more or less $$$.

So wait, I jump in and everyone else jumps out? Were my arguments that strong? Cause I was still going easy on y'all. Man up. about one month till election time. Let's have at it.

captain organic wrote:

So wait, I jump in and everyone else jumps out? Were my arguments that strong? Cause I was still going easy on y'all. Man up. about one month till election time. Let's have at it.

You jumped in a week late.

How do poor people get their government handouts?

Week late? Did I miss the election?

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