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cascade_run Purple Belt
Posts : 1076 Join date : 2009-09-12
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 1:19 am | |
| What a tool, doesn't even show up, I guess it is classic Diaz, the sad part is no one is suprised or outraged, cause why be outraged when you know he doesn't give a fuck about it | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Lyoto Machida, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva,Dan Henderson, Emelianenko Fedor, Josh Barnett Posts : 12421 Join date : 2009-07-16 Location : Northern California
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 4:01 am | |
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GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 5:52 am | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 8:14 am | |
| Estima informed the Diaz camp he wasn't going to make weight the day before the fight. The Diaz camp agreed to a higher weight. Estima weighed in and made the weight for the originally contracted match. In BJJ you weigh in the day of the competition not before, so it's not like Estima didn't make weight and then he cut more and made it. I'm sure Diaz will say the reason he didn't show was because the weight issue. Estima wanted to see Diaz weigh in on Saturday like they were supposed to, but Caesar told him Diaz weighed in at 180 the night before and already ate so he'd be over the 180 and Estima let it go.
I think Estima got into his head and Diaz didn't like it. He needs to be the guy that does that to others but doesn't like it done to him.
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 8:50 am | |
| The other thing in all of this is the charity Diaz promised his purse to. I guess they won't get his support. | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 9:07 am | |
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Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Conor McGregor, Machida, Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey Posts : 18955 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 9:55 am | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 10:03 am | |
| - Wolfgangsta wrote:
- Nick being Nick here...
No doubt. | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 10:04 am | |
| Nick being Nick or Manny being Manny is the biggest load of shit. There should be repercussions for pulling shit like this not excuse it as thats just how they are. Not trying to get after you, Wolf. Shit like Nick pulls just annoys the hell outta me. | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 10:39 am | |
| - Farmer1906 wrote:
- Nick being Nick or Manny being Manny is the biggest load of shit. There should be repercussions for pulling shit like this not excuse it as thats just how they are. Not trying to get after you, Wolf. Shit like Nick pulls just annoys the hell outta me.
I agree with you Farmer, there should be repercussions but in this case there isn't much that can be done. | |
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Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Conor McGregor, Machida, Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey Posts : 18955 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Sun May 13, 2012 10:50 am | |
| Social repercussions will follow, sponsorship dollars will be lost, future opportunities will be lost, fans will be lost, GASP, twitter followers will be lost.
I still like Nick, TO, Manny, and all them crazy guyz. | |
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OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 9:32 am | |
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OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 9:52 am | |
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GDPofDRC Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Shogun, Fedor, Wand, Saku, Hendo, BJ, Bas, Cain, Mike Vallely Posts : 21274 Join date : 2009-08-04 Age : 105 Location : Fresyes, CA
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 10:03 am | |
| Facebook - Diaz Brothers aka Layzie the Savage aka #1 Diaz apologist. What was the point of even posting that on Sunday, we know the match isn't happening Saturday. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:03 pm | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:04 pm | |
| but at the end of the day all blame is and SHOULD be on Diaz for being an unprofessional POS | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:14 pm | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:21 pm | |
| - Farmer1906 wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- this covers the situation pretty good like
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/14/3018514/nick-diaz-braulio-estima-superfight-no-show-mma-media
i guess Layzie the Savage and his buddy are big time diaz nutt huggers and got this shit all wrong and twisted.
Estima ended up making weight on saturday, as they usually do weigh ins for BJJ comps on the day of... The few BJJ tourneys I've been to usually offer both. in either case, weight can't be the excuse he failed to show up. | |
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cascade_run Purple Belt
Posts : 1076 Join date : 2009-09-12
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:38 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- Farmer1906 wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- this covers the situation pretty good like
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/14/3018514/nick-diaz-braulio-estima-superfight-no-show-mma-media
i guess Layzie the Savage and his buddy are big time diaz nutt huggers and got this shit all wrong and twisted.
Estima ended up making weight on saturday, as they usually do weigh ins for BJJ comps on the day of... The few BJJ tourneys I've been to usually offer both. in either case, weight can't be the excuse he failed to show up.
It's just the most convenient one | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 3:39 pm | |
| - cascade_run wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- Farmer1906 wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- this covers the situation pretty good like
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/14/3018514/nick-diaz-braulio-estima-superfight-no-show-mma-media
i guess Layzie the Savage and his buddy are big time diaz nutt huggers and got this shit all wrong and twisted.
Estima ended up making weight on saturday, as they usually do weigh ins for BJJ comps on the day of... The few BJJ tourneys I've been to usually offer both. in either case, weight can't be the excuse he failed to show up.
It's just the most convenient one but it's not valid, because the guy made weight! | |
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Birdofthad Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Ken shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Guy Mezger, Pete Williams, you get it Lions Den Posts : 17542 Join date : 2009-07-19 Age : 37 Location : D Town
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 6:00 pm | |
| from what I have read Cesar Gracie and people around Diaz even got it into his head that not showing was a good idea? go figure That guy Layzi is a fucking dweeb way to do his whole Ronda Rousey reporting only to realize he can't fucking understand Estima saying "Lana" vs Ronda That guy Layzie makes a Shammy nut hugger like myself take pride that, while I may be a moron, I never ousted myself to the world. Just a couple of you dorks | |
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GDPofDRC Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Shogun, Fedor, Wand, Saku, Hendo, BJ, Bas, Cain, Mike Vallely Posts : 21274 Join date : 2009-08-04 Age : 105 Location : Fresyes, CA
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Mon May 14, 2012 6:21 pm | |
| Ninja's Place a window to the world and beyond though. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Lyoto Machida, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva,Dan Henderson, Emelianenko Fedor, Josh Barnett Posts : 12421 Join date : 2009-07-16 Location : Northern California
| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Tue May 15, 2012 3:00 am | |
| World Jiu-jitsu Expo and Nick Diaz
My decision to write an account of what happened this weekend is not to answer to the detractors of myself or my team, as no explanation is owed them. It is instead based on my acknowledgement and respect to our fans and supporters. I never thought I would be answering for something that happened at a grappling tournament, however with the worldwide popularity of the sport and my team increasing, I understand that our supporters need answers. Below is a compilation of events in chronological order. I included the behind the scenes problems we had to let you, our supporters, know how things deteriorated.
Facts
In the month of February I was contacted by a Brazilian named Junior asking me if I wanted to participate in an Expo\Jiu-jitsu tournament. The goal was to put one of our team’s stars in the event to attract sponsors and ensure it was successful. The event was not that far away and they desperately needed exposure. Junior stated that he was working with my uncle Rilion and my cousin Renzo on this project and they were in fact partners. Rilion and Renzo are 2 people that I greatly admire and respect and I was more than happy to partner up with them. I discussed the idea with Nick Diaz and he readily agreed to enter in the black belt gi division. He did not seek any reimbursement. Junior thought it better for Nick to do a super fight as he thought this would be more of a spectacle and bring in more attention. Junior asked
Nick was not as enthusiastic but agreed on the condition that whoever was picked to go against him was not an mma fighter. He knew even a mediocre mma fighter would try to use a match and/or victory over him to further their career in mma. Nick believes a reputation as a fighter should only be earned in a ring or cage. I relayed this to Junior and he agreed to arrange for a strict jiu-jitsu competitor.
In March I received the disturbing news from Rilion that Junior had broken his agreement with him. Rilion stated to me that Junior was registering all World Jiu-jitsu Expo names under his name alone and was no longer taking his phone calls. When contacted by me,Junior stated that he would no longer honor his financial obligations to Rilion because “Rilion was doing nothing and treats me like one of his clerks”. He then went on a tirade about Rilion which I interrupted and reminded him that Rilion was my family member and I would not listen to someone speaking negatively about him.
This rift left me in a dilemma. My instinct was to sever ties immediately. Rilion was my original jiu-jitsu instructor and his reputation as an honest person was impeccable. On the other hand we had already committed Diaz and Caio Terra. Our removal would destroy an event Renzo provided all of the funding for.
I consulted with Rilion who advised me to move forward with the event. He was the one that had brought Renzo into this project and convinced Renzo to fund it. He also still believed in the idea of an American tournament that paid the best BJJ guys on the planet to showcase their skills. We agreed to move forward without him since at this stage Junior had entrenched himself and his removal was impossible. Lastly Rilion warned me that Junior was not to be trusted and would undoubtedly try to cheat me and Renzo.
In early April I got the call from Junior asking what I thought of a Braulio Estima vs Nick Diaz matchup. I had heard of Braulio and knew he was a formidable jiu-jitsu practitioner. I was under the impression that Braulio competed in the close to 200lbs weight category. When I asked Junior he assured me that Braulio could weigh in as little as 175 lbs right before the match.
I presented his information to Nick who accepted the matchup and seemed happy to go against the top BJJ player in the world at that weight. Nick started training for the match and I brought up several BJJ black belts to compliment his training.
Looking through some of Estima’s youtube videos, it was soon discovered that he had in fact been planning on entering upon a career in mma. We wondered if the match with Diaz was a way to create a buzz around him and get him signed with a prominent organization.
I called Junior who assured me Estima would not be fighting in mma and that he had spoken with him and been assured he had given up on the idea of ever fighting. Junior reiterated, “Cesar I spoke with Braulio, the guy is in his 30′s, he has a family and doesn’t want to live that type of life at this stage in his life…etc”
I repeated this info to Nick. A week or so later it was all over the Internet that Braulio had joined the “Blackzillians” and was training for an mma fight. We had been lied to. Furthermore it was evident that Nick’s sole condition that he not go against a wanna be mma guy was violated and this was in fact an attempt by Braulio to ignite an mma career.
Nick was to have been accurately portrayed as a fighter returning to his BJJ roots. He had even agreed to give his entire purse to charity; St Jude’s Children’s Hospital for kids with cancer. If you know the story of Ralph Gracie’s son you would understand why this charity was chosen. His name having been added to this event had saved it but now it was clear he was to be the patsy, not respected but used.
Despite all of this Nick was still going to compete. He brought up Kron Gracie and prepared himself. Around this time I was informed by Junior that Braulio wanted to weigh in the day before and not right before the match as is the custom in IBJJ competitions and Abu Dhabi. At the time Nick was about 186lbs so I consented to both guys weighing in at 180lbs the night before.
Nick boarded a plane on Friday for Long Beach having cut 6 pounds for the weigh in that night. On his way there I got a call from Junior telling me Braulio would not be making weight! ”Cesar Braulio is complaining about the weight cut. Can we have him weigh in tomorrow? He can’t make the weight tonight how about 185 in the morning?”
Nick arrives in Long Beach to the news that there will be no weigh ins that night. As a professional with over 30 fights this was the final straw. The disrespect and total lack of professionalism given him convinced him he was at a circus not a professionally event.
At 3:20 in the morning I received a text from Junior that Braulio would in fact make the 180lbs weight class at 10:00AM. With no other option available I said fine I’ll check with Nick in the morning. At 10:00AM Braulio did weigh in at 180lbs but by that time Nick had already left.
Opinion As a Brazilian I love Brazil but not all things Brazilian. In the last decade I have witnessed Brazilian cronies running the IBJJF and making it impossible for Americans to get a fair shake when competing against their Brazilian countrymen. These cronies have instituted rules to where if you miss weight by even half a pound you are disqualified and not refunded your entry fee. They gladly keep your money and treat you like crap in your country because they can. One of these cronies (Junior) decided to bend all the rules for Braulio Estima and treat Nick Diaz like crap. Sorry that didn’t work out here.
As for Braulio I still respect him as a great BJJ artist. As far as calling Nick out for a mma fight, he knows that is impossible because Nick is signed with the UFC and in mma you have to make weight when they want you to. Not when you want to. If Braulio ever finds success in mma then he can mention Nick’s name for a fight. Right now he should respect the man.
Nick is not without fault by any means. His lack of communication with his team and coach was inexcusable. This will be addressed privately.
Renzo and I have spoken and we are committed to continuing with this otherwise awesome event….without the services of Junior.
It should be noted that Nick paid to St Jude’s Children’s Hospitable the sum of what would have been his entire purse.
Thank you, You have my apologies and my respect Cesar Gracie
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Tue May 15, 2012 11:10 am | |
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cascade_run Purple Belt
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| Subject: Re: Diaz vs Estima Tue May 15, 2012 11:19 am | |
| Yeah that had to be exactly how it went down, it is always everyone else's fault when it comes to Diaz, it will be addressed privately really, good luck with that | |
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