FOX 4 shaping up nice

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/5/1/2991390/ufc-on-fox-4-fight-card-rumors-aug-4-los-angeles-ca
Current fight card and line-up:

205 lbs.: Ryan Bader vs. Lyoto Machida
185 lbs.: Hector Lombard vs. Brian Stann
265 lbs.: Travis Browne vs. Ben Rothwell
155 lbs.: Terry Etim vs. Joe Lauzon

Stann vs Lombard on FOX is brilliant.

Is Bader-Machida definitely the main event or is there a chance something else gets added?

bobbitt15 wrote:

Is Bader-Machida definitely the main event or is there a chance something else gets added?

everything is still rumored. Fights could be added and/or removed.

I'm a little wary of this fight being the main event. If Lyoto fights conservatively for five rounds against Bader, and just picks him apart from distance and turns in a more classic Lyoto performance how will the Fox audience react? Machida's style wasn't very popular back in the days before Shadface and Crane-kick with casual fans.

Back in the old days the squad here was united by bashing those types of random people on ESPN, before we became an insular community of weirdos that ferociously argue on deeply personal levels Frankie Edgar's career vs Takanori Gomi's.

Bader's name listed before Machida?

I don't think that was intentional Kings. I doubt Machida comes out first. No need to kill yourself, yet. If Bader gets finished, I am thinking Machida sticks with the trend and chokes him out after stunning him.

The more I think about the Lombard vs Stann fight the less worried I am for Lombard. I see it as a very even fight. I was leaning Stann initially but largely due to the whole "UFC jitters" thing and lack of top names on Lombard's rap sheet. However, I haven't noticed the trend at all with Strikeforce fighters. We haven't seen any big name Bellator fighters come over but so far fighting in US-based major promotions seems to minimize the jitters. Of course, Strikeforce was much larger scale, with bigger venues, fatter paydays, and more media. But Lombard has a ton of fight experience and doesn't seem like the kind of dude who would let something purely psychological get in his mind like this. Stann had 0 takedown defense against Sonnen and Davis, so I wonder how he will do against Lombard should he decide he wants to take him down and beat on him.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't think that was intentional Kings. I doubt Machida comes out first. No need to kill yourself, yet. If Bader gets finished, I am thinking Machida sticks with the trend and chokes him out after stunning him.

The more I think about the Lombard vs Stann fight the less worried I am for Lombard. I see it as a very even fight. I was leaning Stann initially but largely due to the whole "UFC jitters" thing and lack of top names on Lombard's rap sheet. However, I haven't noticed the trend at all with Strikeforce fighters. We haven't seen any big name Bellator fighters come over but so far fighting in US-based major promotions seems to minimize the jitters. Of course, Strikeforce was much larger scale, with bigger venues, fatter paydays, and more media. But Lombard has a ton of fight experience and doesn't seem like the kind of dude who would let something purely psychological get in his mind like this. Stann had 0 takedown defense against Sonnen and Davis, so I wonder how he will do against Lombard should he decide he wants to take him down and beat on him.

So basically you finally watched tape on Lombard and now realize he's a lot better than you gave him credit for when you were talking out of your ass. Good to know.

Ludo wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't think that was intentional Kings. I doubt Machida comes out first. No need to kill yourself, yet. If Bader gets finished, I am thinking Machida sticks with the trend and chokes him out after stunning him.

The more I think about the Lombard vs Stann fight the less worried I am for Lombard. I see it as a very even fight. I was leaning Stann initially but largely due to the whole "UFC jitters" thing and lack of top names on Lombard's rap sheet. However, I haven't noticed the trend at all with Strikeforce fighters. We haven't seen any big name Bellator fighters come over but so far fighting in US-based major promotions seems to minimize the jitters. Of course, Strikeforce was much larger scale, with bigger venues, fatter paydays, and more media. But Lombard has a ton of fight experience and doesn't seem like the kind of dude who would let something purely psychological get in his mind like this. Stann had 0 takedown defense against Sonnen and Davis, so I wonder how he will do against Lombard should he decide he wants to take him down and beat on him.

So basically you finally watched tape on Lombard and now realize he's a lot better than you gave him credit for when you were talking out of your ass. Good to know.

Go look at all the old Lombard threads from when he first entered Bellator, you see me talking with everyone bout dude since the beginning, starting threads about the guy and everything, but you weren't around in those threads at all. Who just heard about Lombard? I was talking up his highlight reel months ago as the best highlight reel ever in a thread you also posted in. Ludo, get your poser ass off my dick. Did you even watch the old seasons of Bellator? Congrats, you watched 5 events I skipped once you finally caught on to Bellator, four years after the fact. This constant tryhard nutriding is really annoying dude. Knock it the fuck off. Asswet little dweeb be swingin from my huj in every thread.

How many guys have performed anywhere near their potential in their UFC debut when coming from other organizations (who were highly rated talents)?

bobbitt15 wrote:

How many guys have performed anywhere near their potential in their UFC debut when coming from other organizations (who were highly rated talents)?

Most of the SF guys. Overeem, Hendo, Diaz and some of the others. But as far as guys coming from overseas, rarely do they measure up in their fight fight.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't think that was intentional Kings. I doubt Machida comes out first. No need to kill yourself, yet. If Bader gets finished, I am thinking Machida sticks with the trend and chokes him out after stunning him.

The more I think about the Lombard vs Stann fight the less worried I am for Lombard. I see it as a very even fight. I was leaning Stann initially but largely due to the whole "UFC jitters" thing and lack of top names on Lombard's rap sheet. However, I haven't noticed the trend at all with Strikeforce fighters. We haven't seen any big name Bellator fighters come over but so far fighting in US-based major promotions seems to minimize the jitters. Of course, Strikeforce was much larger scale, with bigger venues, fatter paydays, and more media. But Lombard has a ton of fight experience and doesn't seem like the kind of dude who would let something purely psychological get in his mind like this. Stann had 0 takedown defense against Sonnen and Davis, so I wonder how he will do against Lombard should he decide he wants to take him down and beat on him.

So basically you finally watched tape on Lombard and now realize he's a lot better than you gave him credit for when you were talking out of your ass. Good to know.

Go look at all the old Lombard threads from when he first entered Bellator, you see me talking with everyone bout dude since the beginning, starting threads about the guy and everything, but you weren't around in those threads at all. Who just heard about Lombard? I was talking up his highlight reel months ago as the best highlight reel ever in a thread you also posted in. Ludo, get your poser ass off my dick. Did you even watch the old seasons of Bellator? Congrats, you watched 5 events I skipped once you finally caught on to Bellator, four years after the fact. This constant tryhard nutriding is really annoying dude. Knock it the fuck off. Asswet little dweeb be swingin from my huj in every thread.

I'm seeing a real pattern of you flip flopping on topics of late. First you say Lombard is mere cannon fodder for even middle to lower tier fighters all over the UFC's Middleweight division and now this after only a few days. Don't be such a volatile dicksuck when you switch stances on something in a shorter span of time than the tenure of moey's place. I did in fact watch the old seasons of Bellator.

Two years ago we had a short discussion about Lombard vs Leben where I took the stance that Leben would win that contest. However since August of 2010 Leben has looked like his durability is starting to reach levels that a normal human being might have which is what led to My saying Lombard would starch him just a few days ago. The point is I decided all this in watching how they performed since then, and made My own opinion rather than change My opinion to fit in with OU and Ninja because I started taking flak for trying to be some kind of know-it-all hipster.

And also your mother's a whore.

Ludo wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't think that was intentional Kings. I doubt Machida comes out first. No need to kill yourself, yet. If Bader gets finished, I am thinking Machida sticks with the trend and chokes him out after stunning him.

The more I think about the Lombard vs Stann fight the less worried I am for Lombard. I see it as a very even fight. I was leaning Stann initially but largely due to the whole "UFC jitters" thing and lack of top names on Lombard's rap sheet. However, I haven't noticed the trend at all with Strikeforce fighters. We haven't seen any big name Bellator fighters come over but so far fighting in US-based major promotions seems to minimize the jitters. Of course, Strikeforce was much larger scale, with bigger venues, fatter paydays, and more media. But Lombard has a ton of fight experience and doesn't seem like the kind of dude who would let something purely psychological get in his mind like this. Stann had 0 takedown defense against Sonnen and Davis, so I wonder how he will do against Lombard should he decide he wants to take him down and beat on him.

So basically you finally watched tape on Lombard and now realize he's a lot better than you gave him credit for when you were talking out of your ass. Good to know.

Go look at all the old Lombard threads from when he first entered Bellator, you see me talking with everyone bout dude since the beginning, starting threads about the guy and everything, but you weren't around in those threads at all. Who just heard about Lombard? I was talking up his highlight reel months ago as the best highlight reel ever in a thread you also posted in. Ludo, get your poser ass off my dick. Did you even watch the old seasons of Bellator? Congrats, you watched 5 events I skipped once you finally caught on to Bellator, four years after the fact. This constant tryhard nutriding is really annoying dude. Knock it the fuck off. Asswet little dweeb be swingin from my huj in every thread.

I'm seeing a real pattern of you flip flopping on topics of late. First you say Lombard is mere cannon fodder for even middle to lower tier fighters all over the UFC's Middleweight division and now this after only a few days. Don't be such a volatile dicksuck when you switch stances on something in a shorter span of time than the tenure of moey's place. I did in fact watch the old seasons of Bellator.

Two years ago we had a short discussion about Lombard vs Leben where I took the stance that Leben would win that contest. However since August of 2010 Leben has looked like his durability is starting to reach levels that a normal human being might have which is what led to My saying Lombard would starch him just a few days ago. The point is I decided all this in watching how they performed since then, and made My own opinion rather than change My opinion to fit in with OU and Ninja because I started taking flak for trying to be some kind of know-it-all hipster.

And also you're mother's a whore.

You are a mother's a whore too!!! I don't even know what a mother's a whore is but I am sure it isn't fucking nice!!!!!

I never said Lombard would be mere connon fodder for lower middle guys. We got shit twisted here homie. I said all the surviving Bellator MW's sans Schelmenko are not any better than a lower level UFC MW. Crushin' Russian and Falcao would lose to guys like Philippou, Ring and Markes most likely. I also said most of the Bellator MW's would fit in just fine in the bottom third of the UFC division. I don't think that is hatin'. Andreas Spang, Brian Rogers etc are not world beaters dude. I don't even know if they'd last longer than three fights in the UFC.

These rankings aint perfect, but they're decent enough. And again. I don't think Falc or Cushin Pushin are clearly better than anyone in the top 2/3rds or so. I'd pick them to lose fights with about anyone in the top 25 on this. I don't see how this opinion is so off base or whatever. Bellator guys are good, lower-middle of the road. That is all I was saying.

http://rankingmma.com/ufc-rankings/mw-185/

Where would you rank the Bellator dudes if you had to insert them into those rankings. Pretend you agree with them. They're probably good enough to where most fighters are found no more than 5 spots from where someone else might rank em.

Shlemenko I'd stick around 15. Which I might add is way higher than the consensus MMA rankings have him. But I could see him losing to some guys ranked way lower without it being much of an upset. I consider him, without great takedown defense or devastating one shot power in his hands, as an upper middle pack kind of guy. Falc and Crushin I'd stick around 25 and 26. Both fighters have potential but neither did anything in that tournament to show me they belong above more established names in the rankings. Rogers, Vianna, Spang and Santos from what I remember from that fight in March all go somewhere in the bottom 12 or so. Rogers is the best out of that bunch even if he lost to Spang, but his chin and unknown sub defense makes me wonder. If he won that fight I'd feel comfortable putting him closer to the top 25.

The only thing I'll "flop" on is where I said Falc "ran through" the tournament after it had devolved into a troll. If anything, he limped through. I don't think that dude is going to be consistent. Has a head case factor going on.

Yea, I quoted before you got ya edit in beotch. Suck it.

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

If those top 2 fights make it to the show I'll be stoked.


Stann vs Lombard has the makings.

I like it alot.

Ludo wrote:

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

Your;'eraer'e assbabbling dude. No place have I doubled back on anything. The bellator dudes are alright fighters, but would lose to a lot of UFC fighters. This aint a bad thing. It is just how it is. You didn't even watch bellator till it was on MTV and you didn't listen to metal until six months ago. Poser dismissed.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

Your;'eraer'e assbabbling dude. No place have I doubled back on anything. The bellator dudes are alright fighters, but would lose to a lot of UFC fighters. This aint a bad thing. It is just how it is. You didn't even watch bellator till it was on MTV and you didn't listen to metal until six months ago. Poser dismissed.

There are a couple of fighters on Bellator roster that might not lose to more then 3 guys currently on UFCs roster. Hell I would give Curran and Chandler as good a chance to win the title as anyone not currently Champion in the UFC at their weight classes. Could probably throw Hector on that list as well. They have others that would be top 10 in the UFC and maybe top 5. I like Hawn vs most of Zuffa's roster as well. You aren't giving there top guys enough credit. They are legit elite level fighters.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

Your;'eraer'e assbabbling dude. No place have I doubled back on anything. The bellator dudes are alright fighters, but would lose to a lot of UFC fighters. This aint a bad thing. It is just how it is. You didn't even watch bellator till it was on MTV and you didn't listen to metal until six months ago. Poser dismissed.

See? Deflection. So much butthurt.

OU wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

Your;'eraer'e assbabbling dude. No place have I doubled back on anything. The bellator dudes are alright fighters, but would lose to a lot of UFC fighters. This aint a bad thing. It is just how it is. You didn't even watch bellator till it was on MTV and you didn't listen to metal until six months ago. Poser dismissed.

There are a couple of fighters on Bellator roster that might not lose to more then 3 guys currently on UFCs roster. Hell I would give Curran and Chandler as good a chance to win the title as anyone not currently Champion in the UFC at their weight classes. Could probably throw Hector on that list as well. They have others that would be top 10 in the UFC and maybe top 5. I like Hawn vs most of Zuffa's roster as well. You aren't giving there top guys enough credit. They are legit elite level fighters.

MW was the context hom-ie/o.

Chandler is a stud. Curran I don't think would win the title but he'd fight for it likely if Koch and Mendes do. He's boss too. Hawn is a good guy too but he is one I'd see directly in the middle of the pack.

Ludo wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Well congratulations. You caught Me on an apostrophe and an "e" where they didn't belong. That one really stung! But seriously, you'll just spiderweb this whole thing into as many different areas to deflect off the real issue which is you posted without seeing the shit you were posting out and now you're trying to not only double back, but cover your tracks at the same time with faux ranking sites instead of posting your own rankings(which admittedly wouldn't mean anything.)

Your;'eraer'e assbabbling dude. No place have I doubled back on anything. The bellator dudes are alright fighters, but would lose to a lot of UFC fighters. This aint a bad thing. It is just how it is. You didn't even watch bellator till it was on MTV and you didn't listen to metal until six months ago. Poser dismissed.

See? Deflection. So much butthurt.

From what? The fact my opinion is the same? The fact you only got into metal and bellator once they were each on MTV2?

Disagree with anything ive said faggot, or get off my dick. Your obsessive nutriding has taken sexual tones. If you want a dick pic, just ask homo/ie.

I said he would have a better chance at the title then anyone currently on the Zuffa roster. If Aldo wasn't around, he could be UFC Champion. I think he is better then all the other guys in that weight class. Chandler is a stud, you got that right, his chances of winning a UFC title if he was there would be as high as anyone currently in the UFC. Hawn middle of the pack? I realize it is a deep, deep division but IMO he would challenge just like the WEC guys that moved over. I think he could make a title run and I'm not so sure he won't beat Chandler. I'm big on Hawn at LW, I think he has a ton of potential there.
But lay off the MW division, we already went over this.

Hawn isn't as good as the WEC guys imo. I think the speed and movement isn't there. He is improving though. I see him with upside. Weedman, not so much. He'd be middle lower in the UFC, losing to Tavaras and Tibau types, and I don't see him athletically gifted enough to improve significantly. Chandler and Alvarez are 666 though.

Dantas is in the same category as Mcdonald and Barao for me.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Hawn isn't as good as the WEC guys imo. I think the speed and movement isn't there. He is improving though. I see him with upside. Weedman, not so much. He'd be middle lower in the UFC, losing to Tavaras and Tibau types, and I don't see him athletically gifted enough to improve significantly. Chandler and Alvarez are 666 though.

Dantas is in the same category as Mcdonald and Barao for me.

I would pick Hawn over Pettis right now today. He may not have speed but he has a ton of power in his hands and an Olympic Judo background. Dude is a tough fight for anyone in the world at his weight class.
Also Tibau is an underrated fighter and a tough matchup for just about anyone. Rick Hawn is the truth, I can guarantee your tune will change on this man.