Are they UFC HOFers?

If they retired tomorrow, would they be inducted into the HOF? (Merit only, no bias from Dana any anyone else)

Franklin
Wand
Belfort
Rampage
Serra
Diaz (Nick)
Ortiz
Forrest
Bonnar
Sherk
Florian
Faber
Cruz

Franklin - Yes
Wand - Yes
Belfort - Yes
Rampage - Yes
Serra - No
Diaz (Nick) - No
Ortiz - Yes
Forrest - No
Bonnar - No
Sherk - No
Florian - No
Faber - No
Cruz - No

Franklin Yes
Wand Yes
Belfort Yes
Rampage Yes
Serra No
Diaz (Nick) No
Ortiz Yes
Forrest No
Bonnar No
Sherk No
Florian Going to play devils advocate and say yes
Faber Yes
Cruz No

I think Forrest gets in for the impact he had on the growth of the UFC. I know Bonnar was in the same fight but Forrest has gone on to become champ and has wins over Rampage, Rua and Ortiz.

Franklin - Yes
Wand - Based on UFC No, but career = hell yeah so toss up IMO
Belfort - Yes
Rampage - Yes
Serra - TUF winner and champ/beat GSP(which is more impressive?) but still NO
Diaz (Nick) - Not even close
Ortiz - yes
Forrest - Yes. Maybe not on W/L alone but close, throw in TUF, and the fight that made the UFC, so easily Yes.
Bonnar - No. Thought some may but him in based on the fight with Forrest alone.
Sherk - No
Florian - No
Faber - Yes.
Cruz - Close... very close. I'm going to go with Yes. Defended the belt 2x in the UFC, 2x in the WEC, and has only lost once to Faber then avenged it. 9-1 Zuffa record.

Anyone else have any borderline guys to add to the list.

Shogun
Koscheck
Bisping
Sonnen
Tanner

Franklin - Absolutely
Wand - No, his UFC record doesn't merit it.
Belfort - Yes
Rampage - No
Serra - No
Diaz (Nick) - No
Ortiz - Yes
Forrest - Yes
Bonnar - Maybe
Sherk - Maybe
Florian - Maybe, his three challenges and his side work with the company will probably get him in.
Faber - No
Cruz - Yes
Shogun - Yes
Koscheck - No
Bisping - No
Sonnen - No
Tanner - No

should they be/ will they be
Franklin- yes/ yes
Wand- yes/ yes
Belfort- yes/ yes
Rampage-yes/ yes
Serra- no/no
Diaz (Nick)- no/no(not at this time but he is still young)
Ortiz- yes/ yes
Forrest- he probably should be/ he definitely will be.
Bonnar- no/no
Sherk- yes/ probably
Florian- no/no
Faber- no/no- but he has plenty of time to make a case
Cruz- not yet/ he will be eventually

Shogun - Yes (borderline??? lol)
Koscheck - Maybe
Bisping - No
Sonnen - No
Tanner - No

GDPofDRC wrote:

Shogun - Yes (borderline??? lol)
Koscheck - Maybe
Bisping - No
Sonnen - No
Tanner - No

How about these
AA
Poopy Pants
Fitch
Nog

AA - No
Poopy Pants - No
Fitch - Maybe
Nog - Yes

GDPofDRC wrote:

AA - No
Poopy Pants - No
Fitch - Maybe
Nog - Yes

Interesting. If you are talking about UFC HOF, I would think AA would have a stronger argument then Nog. All HW listed are in front of Brock on the HOF list IMO.

AA - Yes
Poopy Pants - Nope
Fitch - Nope
Nog - Nope

MMA > UFC

Hall of fame is about a career of achievements.

The question is UFC HOF not MMA HOF. If it was that I would change things a bit.

GDPofDRC wrote:

MMA > UFC

Hall of fame is about a career of achievements.

I agree that is how it should be looked at. But is that how they(Zuffa) looks at it? I'm all for career achievements in MMA being the most important factor. But I was just assuming they were using what happened in the Octagon only.

Yeah but a hall of fame for only UFC is the definition of retarded. Football has pre-merger HoF inductees post-merger, same with basketball, Baseball, even pro fucking wrestling. HoF resumes are built from entire careers.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Yeah but a hall of fame for only UFC is the definition of retarded.

I don't disagree. I just assumed we were using those rules. If we can include all MMA accomplishments then Brock shouldn't be anywhere on the radar of the HOF discussions. He is far down on the list in a weak division. Let me throw out something interesting then. Jake Shields. Very nice wins/impressive accomplishments.

Jake Shields - No

Most of the guys I've said no to are not done though and can still pave the way to being Hall of Fame worthy imo.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Yeah but a hall of fame for only UFC is the definition of retarded. Football has pre-merger HoF inductees post-merger, same with basketball, Baseball, even pro fucking wrestling. HoF resumes are built from entire careers.

Again I agree that is how it SHOULD be looked at. But DW is full of bitchassness. I would be pleasantly surprised if he made the right call on most of the guys we are talking about.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/4/26/2975879/ufc-dana-white-tito-ortiz--bj-penn-hall-of-fame-mma-news
Dana was asked about the UFC Hall of Fame and whom he thinks should be inducted. He named two fighters that are winding down their careers, both pioneers and former champions. Tito Ortiz and B.J. Penn. Here's what he said about his former client Tito, who believes his bout with Forrest Griffin at UFC 148 will be the last of his career (via MMA Fighting):

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"Despite my personal problems with Tito, he belongs in," said White. "He was the champion when we first bought this thing. The fact that Tito is still here, Tito and I have had our moments, but it doesn’t change what he did for the company."

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"The beef between me and Tito, Chuck and Tito, the fact is, that played a huge role in helping making this thing as big as it is."

His thoughts on Baby Jay are after the jump.

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"Definitely," White said when asked if Penn belongs in the Hall. "The thing about B.J. Penn is that what he brought to the lightweight division, there was a point in time when we first bought this company when people thought guys in the lighter weight divisions couldn’t be stars and couldn’t see pay-per-views and couldn’t cross over. B.J. Penn was definitely that first crossover guy for us."

The UFC HoF is the creation of a company and obviously isn't meant to be compared to the HoF's of major sports. Still though, the debate about who and who should not be inducted is always fun to have. B.J. and Tito seem like shoe-ins, but what about Frank Shamrock? Evan Tanner? Pat Miletich? There are obviously a ton of candidates that are still active as well.

Farmer1906 wrote:

If they retired tomorrow, would they be inducted into the HOF? (Merit only, no bias from Dana any anyone else)

Franklin
Wand
Belfort
Rampage
Serra
Diaz (Nick)
Ortiz
Forrest
Bonnar
Sherk
Florian
Faber
Cruz

WWE HOF includes WCW careers, so do the other major sports. I could see a case for Florian too. Lesnar in terms of FAME and what he did for the company def deserves inclusion, whether or not he was never really the best fighter around.

Regardless of how you want to characterize it, the question still comes down to the UFC HOF, not the MMA HOF. Though Wolf pointed out, rightly (ouch), that the WWE includes other/absorbed organizations wrestlers and their accomplishments in the squared circle. So from a Pride/WEC/UFC/Strikeforce standpoint? I will re-vote:

Franklin - Yes
Wand - Yes
Belfort - Yes
Rampage - Yes
Serra - no
Diaz (Nick) - Yes
Ortiz - Yes
Forrest - Yes
Bonnar - Maybe
Sherk - Maybe
Florian - Maybe
Faber - Yes
Cruz - Yes
AA - Yes
Poopy Pants - No
Fitch - No
Nog - Yes

UFC hall of famers or MMA hall of famers?

i'd say franklin and ortiz are the only bonafide HOFers on UFC performance alone, forrest and bonnar would probably get in though i wouldn't necessarily agree with it.

Anyone who has been a UFC champ should get it.