Iraq's New War

Apparently Emo enthusiasts are under attack.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/11/iraq-emo-killings-gay_n_1337427.html

They are actually handing out pamphlets on who to stone and security forces have said they will not protect them.

was it you who was praising the Libya intervention? was just reading about how the "revolutionaries" aka the al-Qaeda Nato sent in, is now ethnicly cleansing and exterminating blacks. Why don't we give Obama another Nobel Peace prize for that?

oggy420 wrote:

was it you who was praising the Libya intervention? was just reading about how the "revolutionaries" aka the al-Qaeda Nato sent in, is now ethnicly cleansing and exterminating blacks. Why don't we give Obama another Nobel Peace prize for that?

Iraq = over 1.4 Trillion and over 300,000 troops deployed

Libya = cost under 900 MILLION, NO TROOPS DEPLOYED

Put your thinking cap on my buddy, this isn't the same thing no matter how much you want it to be.

Also, this has been a problem from the very start, they were holding all black prisoners of war in dog cages while advancing on Tripoli. Just a thought. Gaddafi used foreign mercenaries, pretty much all who were black. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out there is ethnic problems in this region.

Al Qaeda is in the Arabian Penninsula, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Sudan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, and it is clear they have more cells around the world. To act like them being there is our fault is well.... fucking retarded.

on 1 hand you are complaining about USA military intervention on the other you are complaining that our military isn't there to control the chaos

Cant have it both ways

lol there should have never been intervention, at all. The NATO intervention caused what is happening their right now. What a great job we did bringing stability there huh? Yea, not sending troops in doesn't mean we aren't still wasting money dropping bombs there and supporting the NATO effort. 900 million is ok with you for what we've gotten out of it? The place is now a hell hole. 900 million too much. Tons of dead children in those bombings too. No trendy movie for them?

oggy420 wrote:

lol there should have never been intervention, at all. The NATO intervention caused what is happening their right now. What a great job we did bringing stability there huh? Yea, not sending troops in doesn't mean we aren't still wasting money dropping bombs there and supporting the NATO effort. 900 million is ok with you for what we've gotten out of it? The place is now a hell hole. 900 million too much. Tons of dead children in those bombings too. No trendy movie for them?

Ok Oggy so no intervention.

Just allow a country that has held a Revolution that holds over 65% of the country just get shelled to death and killed by a leader who sponsored state run terrorism.

sorry but we didn't twist the worlds balls and force them to do anything

HEY OGGY GUESS WHO LED THE BOMBING? FRANCE, FUCKING FRANCE HOLY SHIT WE MUST HAVE FORCED THEM INTO THIS.

When France is leading bombing raids its pretty clear that the world is sponsoring intervention not just the USA.

You seem to not understand what a war with an actual coalition (Dessert Storm) vs a war led by 2 Powers (Iraq War) vs what a U.N. Intervention is (Libya).

Libya opened their stock market and oil levels have almost reached pre-revolution levels. If you think that the Libyan Rebel Council is Al Qaeda or going to work with them in a large way you are mistaken. Are extremists there? Ya there are extremists in our military as well (look at Fort Hood).

oggy420 wrote:

lol there should have never been intervention, at all. The NATO intervention caused what is happening their right now. What a great job we did bringing stability there huh? Yea, not sending troops in doesn't mean we aren't still wasting money dropping bombs there and supporting the NATO effort. 900 million is ok with you for what we've gotten out of it? The place is now a hell hole. 900 million too much. Tons of dead children in those bombings too. No trendy movie for them?

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE GADDAFI WAS KILLING WITH MERCENARIES YOU ARE RUINING YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS

Bird it's not as complicated as you are making it. I am anti-war. The ONLY time the soldiers of this country should be ordered to invade another nation, or funds be used for military action of the sort, is when we have been attacked on our homeland and congress has declared war. I am a strict constitutionalist. It says ONLY congress can declare war. What we have been doing isn't technically war, it is illegal occupation of sovereign nations. I do not support that. The president of our country is supposed to respect the rule of law, not turn it on it's head.

Now if you want to believe that Libya is better off post NATO intervention, regardless of what was going on in the country before hand, you are crazy. The place is a disaster. Infrastructure ruined. What was perhaps the most industrialized part of the region has now been torn apart by bombs and rebels, that despite what your claim about Al-Qaeda being everywhere already, were actually not there before the NATO intervention.

NATO and especially the UN, are completely corrupt at the top. The UN has backed plenty of absolutely terrible dictators in Africa worse than Joseph Kony. Look what happened on the Ivory Cost last year.

The leaders of the Military industrial complex and multinational Banks and Corporations leading us into all of these unjust immoral wars that we flat out can not afford by the way, welcome the poor choice of philosophy that you seem to embrace, the we can invade, bomb, intervene in every single problem in every single country. I don't give a flying fuck if the corrupt leaders in France don't have the balls to stand up and say no to NATO.

This country has huge financial problems, and all we are talking about is which bad guy we're gonna get next? Don't you see this perpetual facade of "spreading Democracy" has failed miserably? We are not making ANYTHING better, for anyone. The blow back of these wars has anti-american sentiment at an all time high, not just in the middle east, all over the fucking world. Take a look around at what is happening to your country and the world around you. Read the fucking headlines for christ sake. Stop buying into the bull shit, grow a back bone and say enough is enough. Stand up for something. Anything. Don't just follow along believing that what we are doing is good for the world. It's clearly not being viewed that way even by the people we are so called "helping".

And since you seem to really believe that we must continue these wars and continue to waste taxpayer money by the trillions pretending we are capable of policing the world, please remember that the evil boogey-man Al-CIAda, said it was their plan to use Americas aggressive policy of foreign intervention against us by leading us into several wars and through that they would truly affect the homeland by bankrupting our country. Just like what happened to the Soviets. Just like whats happening as i type.

But you are right, we should totally keep it up. Invade Syria, then Iran. Then we can go After Kony, and just keep moving that "bad guy" piece around the board until we've killed every last bad guy on the face of the earth. Then we can bring our troops home and have a time of peace right?

oggy420 wrote:

Bird it's not as complicated as you are making it. I am anti-war. The ONLY time the soldiers of this country should be ordered to invade another nation, or funds be used for military action of the sort, is when we have been attacked on our homeland and congress has declared war. I am a strict constitutionalist. It says ONLY congress can declare war. What we have been doing isn't technically war, it is illegal occupation of sovereign nations. I do not support that. The president of our country is supposed to respect the rule of law, not turn it on it's head.

Now if you want to believe that Libya is better off post NATO intervention, regardless of what was going on in the country before hand, you are crazy. The place is a disaster. Infrastructure ruined. What was perhaps the most industrialized part of the region has now been torn apart by bombs and rebels, that despite what your claim about Al-Qaeda being everywhere already, were actually not there before the NATO intervention.

NATO and especially the UN, are completely corrupt at the top. The UN has backed plenty of absolutely terrible dictators in Africa worse than Joseph Kony. Look what happened on the Ivory Cost last year.

The leaders of the Military industrial complex and multinational Banks and Corporations leading us into all of these unjust immoral wars that we flat out can not afford by the way, welcome the poor choice of philosophy that you seem to embrace, the we can invade, bomb, intervene in every single problem in every single country. I don't give a flying fuck if the corrupt leaders in France don't have the balls to stand up and say no to NATO.

This country has huge financial problems, and all we are talking about is which bad guy we're gonna get next? Don't you see this perpetual facade of "spreading Democracy" has failed miserably? We are not making ANYTHING better, for anyone. The blow back of these wars has anti-american sentiment at an all time high, not just in the middle east, all over the fucking world. Take a look around at what is happening to your country and the world around you. Read the fucking headlines for christ sake. Stop buying into the bull shit, grow a back bone and say enough is enough. Stand up for something. Anything. Don't just follow along believing that what we are doing is good for the world. It's clearly not being viewed that way even by the people we are so called "helping".

And since you seem to really believe that we must continue these wars and continue to waste taxpayer money by the trillions pretending we are capable of policing the world, please remember that the evil boogey-man Al-CIAda, said it was their plan to use Americas aggressive policy of foreign intervention against us by leading us into several wars and through that they would truly affect the homeland by bankrupting our country. Just like what happened to the Soviets. Just like whats happening as i type.

But you are right, we should totally keep it up. Invade Syria, then Iran. Then we can go After Kony, and just keep moving that "bad guy" piece around the board until we've killed every last bad guy on the face of the earth. Then we can bring our troops home and have a time of peace right?

Sorry but have to ask after the first paragraph. Do you get that the U.N. and NATO are not the american government they are separate. We do not run NATO or the U.N.

also you are wrong about the Al Qaeda claim, they were there before NATO attacked.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/connections-between-al-qaeda-and-libyan-rebels-run-deep/

From March 2011

you seem to forget that FRANCE SAID NO TO IRAQ WAR

We have not invaded Libya

you don't seem to understand that.

haha Gadafi responsible for 911 now? Ok sure, go ahead and believe that propaganda.

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

oggy420 wrote:

haha Gadafi responsible for 911 now? Ok sure, go ahead and believe that propaganda.

bottom line is AQ has not toppled the NTC yet, they were there before we got there, this wasn't like Iraq when there was a lull after defeating Saddams troops and then the insurgency took place. They were already in Libya fighting with some forces.


http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/10694-un-report-natos-libya-war-armed-al-qaeda

Gadaffi himself said HE WOULD JOIN WITH AL QAEDA IF WE ATTACKED, lol ya gotta love the things nut jobs say when they realize the jig is up.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/gadhafi-threatens-to-join-forces-with-al-qaida-if-west-attacks-libya-1.349357

Don't try to act like we invaded Libya, we did not. Don't try to act like Bashar Al-Assad is some nice guy, personally I find the conclusions you are jumping to funny.

We had 2 major ground campaign wars under Bush.

We have no new major ground offensives under Obama. We are carrying out our responsibility to NATO and we are helping spread Democracy (whether you like the outcome or not WE ARE) all for about 1 tenth of the cost that ACTUAL wars cost us just 10 years ago.

I personally find it funny that you have a problem with the elimination of a rat bastard who killed his own people and hundreds of people around the world. He sponsored state run terrorism long before the Taliban did and he was not reformed. He knew the jig was up (with the West). When the jig was up with his own people, naturally he started killing them (duh what do Dictators do).

SYRIA IS NOT LIBYA - the Free Libyan Army had seized large swathes of the nation, had a good ground army that had leaders capable of convincing us to help and Gadaffi had a relatively weak army (people who come to power in military coup's seem to realize the threat of a strong army). WHat Gadaffi had was some minimal air power, and air batteries that were not a match for NATO's air force.

Syria is completely different - the opposition holds basically nothing but a few sections (like Homs) and they are basically open season for killing. The Free Syrian Army is basically nothing and we don't even know if Al Qaeda hasn't already infiltrated the movement in a major way. The Syrian Army is much stronger than the Libyan army and has air defense systems and air batteries that will without a doubt result in the loss of aircraft. Also Iran will more than likely enter any war with Syria and Russia will more than likely be their main supplier.

You are getting worried for nothing. Syria ain't happening. 8,500 people are dead. Assad is going to either retain control and the world will sanction him or he and his hot wife will suffer the fate of Gadaffi. The Arab League has tried, the U.N. has tried (but Russia and China blocked them) and now we are in this limbo of having to watch innocent people get slaughtered by a regime.

I guess I get where you are coming from Oggy, I am not a war mongered by any means, but I understand when NATO decides to save a Bosnia, Kosovo or a Libya from a brutal slaughter. I can say this though, your man Ron Paul has basically opposed doing anything in Libya from the very beginning so I can see why ya like him. Here's the problem. When a nations people are being killed and we know that their leader (that is doing the killing) is a fucking nut job and one of the top 10 bad guys of the middle east in the last 40 years and we have a legitimate chance to topple him with minimal cost (ya a 950 million dollar intervention is fucking CHEAP) and more than likely see the rise of a friendly government.

History repeats itself and I personally think we are looking at what has happened in several countries and what we hope can happen.

Afghanistan : After the Soviets left there was the Communist Najibullah government backed by Northern Front/Alliance. They fall in 96 to the Taliban. Karzai (leader of the Eastern Front) later becomes president and leader.

Pakistan : basically since 1977 the military has controlled the elections, General Musharraf succeeded in becoming president, then Buto came back and got assassinated and her husband is de facto leader. That is because the army runs the show and elements of the ISI do whatever the F they want.

Egypt: strong presidents all tied to the military (Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak) all from the line of Nasser, Egypt basically became a friendly middle eastern state that was opened up to the west because their military purged the country of islamic militants. THe hope in Egypt is that, yah Mubarak stepped down, but the more practical military would still run the show. That is exactly what is going on there, the military stepped in and has said the MB won't help write the Constitution.

Iraq - Saddam Hussein became the number 1 in the middle east by purchasing anything the Soviets would give him. The Gulf War was not about oil. It was about Saddam Hussein invading the middle east. Most people don't realize that, he had seized Kuwait and already had tanks in southern Saudi Arabia, there is a reason so many middle eastern countries joined that coalition. Now Maliki is the president and we have given him a 300,000 man army so we will see what he does with it.

Turkey: In a weird transitional period, their military is basically running the show with our help. After a coup the military has basically run the show and the country actually preferred it that way instead of the corrupt government and elections that took place. A 2002 poll showed 90% of the public wanted it this way, in 2011 60% did.

Saudi Arabia - Kings with a strong military, enough said.

Overall theme in all of those countries is that they have strong militaries that are against militant islamist and in one way or another are a friend of america. That is the overall purpose and end game to this. Someone in the National Transitional Government in Libya will become the President more than likely, and if they don't, if the radicals are able to control the ballot box (wide spread reports in Egypt) then they NTC will do what the Egyptian Army is doing right now. You think NATO and our government is about to recognize a nation that is run by the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda? That will be a cold day in hell. Whoever the opposition is (history shows us) is always an army (some more organized than others) they normally end up playing a strong role in protecting the new government. Cough cough George Washington.

Guess who controlled the Transitional Government in Afghanistan? Hamid Karzai. Just saying.
The Libyan NTC is recognized by virtually everyone that matters and will be the winners in the end game in Libya. We just need to maintain a relationship with them. South Korea, Britain,Germany, Japan, Canada, Vietnam, Phillipines, all of these countries are our friends now.

Its worth paying 900 million and having a friendly Libya, its worth PAYING NOTHING and talking Hosni Mubarak into stepping down. Its worth offering President Salem in Yemen asylum if he steps down and his military (fighting Al Qaeda since 2000) remains in control.

The bottom line is yes, there are some militants that have infiltrated the Free Libyan Army (just like they did in Egypt and Afghanistans). But the bottom line is the people in control of that army, are our friends. Atleast they have been so far. There is a chance it could turn into a war between factions of the military but so far they have pulled off some things and maintained control and managed to stay alive. That says something.

The Arab Spring got hi-jacked. It was all about the people at Tahrir square chanting about wanting to vote, about the Facebook user that was jailed in Tunisia. So far it looks like the radical clerics have figured out how to control the ballot box better than the army can and that is saying something.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

Oh wolf.

What Im saying is of all of the major players in NATO they had the foresight to really call bullshit on the Iraq war. That is because the U.S. and Bush REALLY wanted them.

You don't think that matters?? So ya, it is kind of interesting when France wants to lead the bombing campaigns for a cause that was helping innocent civilians being slaughtered by a fucking lunatic that has his amazon babe brigade and his little green book. Sorry but we did the right thing in helping Gadaffis opposition.


Go blog about your fake interview with Ron Paul

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Don't try to act like we invaded Libya, we did not. Don't try to act like Bashar Al-Assad is some nice guy, personally I find the conclusions you are jumping to funny.

We had 2 major ground campaign wars under Bush.

We have no new major ground offensives under Obama. We are carrying out our responsibility to NATO and we are helping spread Democracy (whether you like the outcome or not WE ARE) all for about 1 tenth of the cost that ACTUAL wars cost us just 10 years ago.

Nice guy, bad guy, it doesn't matter. It isn't our place to intervene or make those judgements. They're all bad guys to their enemies and they're all nice guys to those that serve their interests. Nice. bad. good. evil. That is whatever.

Helping Nato or the UN is severely questionable to me more and more. I believe these bodies are still carrying out cultural imperialism and destabilizing the regions to exploit the people there.

Spreading democracy IS NOT OUR FUCKING BUSINESS. Anymore than spreading our God or King. Fuck cultural imperialism. Ron Paul is the only way.

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

Oh wolf.

What Im saying is of all of the major players in NATO they had the foresight to really call bullshit on the Iraq war. That is because the U.S. and Bush REALLY wanted them.

You don't think that matters?? So ya, it is kind of interesting when France wants to lead the bombing campaigns for a cause that was helping innocent civilians being slaughtered by a fucking lunatic that has his amazon babe brigade and his little green book. Sorry but we did the right thing in helping Gadaffis opposition.


Go blog about your fake interview with Ron Paul

Problem here Bird, is that slaughtering the defenseless is not something most people here give a shit about, if you bring it up or do care about it you're just a fucking idiot.

we aren't spreading democracy wolf.

ITS WAS ALREADY THERE, THESE PEOPLE DIDNT FABRICATE OUT OF AIR

Lets me get this straight. When people rise up against brutal dictators you don't think we should help them if we can?

GDPofDRC wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

Oh wolf.

What Im saying is of all of the major players in NATO they had the foresight to really call bullshit on the Iraq war. That is because the U.S. and Bush REALLY wanted them.

You don't think that matters?? So ya, it is kind of interesting when France wants to lead the bombing campaigns for a cause that was helping innocent civilians being slaughtered by a fucking lunatic that has his amazon babe brigade and his little green book. Sorry but we did the right thing in helping Gadaffis opposition.


Go blog about your fake interview with Ron Paul

Problem here Bird, is that slaughtering the defenseless is not something most people here give a shit about, if you bring it up or do care about it you're just a fucking idiot.

some jewish families that survived Hitler would disagree. But I gotta agree there is a disconnect in Ron Paul voters between not getting into stupid wars and helping innocent people when you can

Birdofthad wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

Oh wolf.

What Im saying is of all of the major players in NATO they had the foresight to really call bullshit on the Iraq war. That is because the U.S. and Bush REALLY wanted them.

You don't think that matters?? So ya, it is kind of interesting when France wants to lead the bombing campaigns for a cause that was helping innocent civilians being slaughtered by a fucking lunatic that has his amazon babe brigade and his little green book. Sorry but we did the right thing in helping Gadaffis opposition.


Go blog about your fake interview with Ron Paul

Problem here Bird, is that slaughtering the defenseless is not something most people here give a shit about, if you bring it up or do care about it you're just a fucking idiot.

some jewish families that survived Hitler would disagree

By here, I mean the internet, by the internet, I mean Ninja's Place.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oggy destroyed Bird, reanimated his corpse, and destroyed him again.


Oggy is maybe my fav poster here these days when it comes to this stuff. Real wiggaz know.

The best part of Bird's ass hattery is that because France opposed some interventionism, now when they agree ; OH HEY GUYZ FRANTH ACREETHS LOOK THE WAR AND BOMBINGS OF PPLZ MUST BE VALID AND MORALLY JUST BECATH FRANTH AGREETHS.

Oh bird.

Oh wolf.

What Im saying is of all of the major players in NATO they had the foresight to really call bullshit on the Iraq war. That is because the U.S. and Bush REALLY wanted them.

You don't think that matters?? So ya, it is kind of interesting when France wants to lead the bombing campaigns for a cause that was helping innocent civilians being slaughtered by a fucking lunatic that has his amazon babe brigade and his little green book. Sorry but we did the right thing in helping Gadaffis opposition.


Go blog about your fake interview with Ron Paul

Problem here Bird, is that slaughtering the defenseless is not something most people here give a shit about, if you bring it up or do care about it you're just a fucking idiot.

some jewish families that survived Hitler would disagree

By here, I mean the internet, by the internet, I mean Ninja's Place.

Im an idiot hit send before was done typing, my b, I edited post

es okay, we all make mistakes. By we all, I mean not I.

lol not helping innocent people give me a fucking break dude. Just because you fall for the "humanitarian war" peace through bloodshed philosophy doesn't mean Ron Paul supporters don't care about Humanity. They're just not stupid enough to be tricked again and lied to about how we are gonna "save the children" or bring stability to anything.

Flat out - If you think our military presence in the middle east, either through undeclared occupation or supporting NATO or UN intervention or bombings, has been truly for "humanitarian" reasons, or has been about anything other than Oil, natural resources, and destabilizing a region, then you are completely ignorant to what is going on around you.

The killing hasn't stopped in Libya. What do you not get? People are still being slaughtered there so essentially the operation accomplished nothing! like it always does in wars promoted by the corrupt establishment. We are not firing bullets made with depleted fucking uranium all over Iraq and Afghanistan so that we can help "stabilize" a fucking thing. We don't give a flying fuck about those people and you know it, but feel free to keep lying to yourself. Whatever you gotta do to not really think about the possibility that you may be supporting a very flawed corrupt system, or the consequences of just going along with a status quo, an establishment that has made it pretty clear, at least to me, that they certainly do not have my best interest at heart. So go ahead and make fun of Ron Paul and the people who are intellectually awake enough to have a clue, whatever makes you feel better so that you can make it through the day.

Oggy lets have sex.


I mean be friends on facebook.