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Ludo Bronze Belt
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| Subject: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:04 am | |
| Jon Jones vs. Lyoto MachidaQuite possibly the single best year for any fighter in the history of the sport to date. Jon Jones has a chance to do something that rivals and in my opinion tops Shogun's legendary run in 2005 winning the PRIDE Grand Prix. If Jones can beat Machida he'll have won four fights this year, two of which over surefire hall of fame fighters in Rampage Jackson and Shogun Rua, as well as over a possible hall of fame fighter in Lyoto Machida. Not only that, but he'll be the first UFC Light Heavyweight champion to successfully defend his title two times since Chuck Liddell in 2006. However thats easier said than done. Lyoto Machida has proven extremely hard to gameplan against because of his unique mix of high level karate mixed with sumo and brazilian jiu jitsu black belts. He presents a challenge like no other to the current champion, who has shown unorthodox striking as well. Jon Jones has yet to truly be beaten in his mixed martial arts career. Had it not been for some 12 to 6 elbows on Matt Hammill he would be, and still is considered by virtually everyone in the community, undefeated. His high level wrestling combined with his unorthodox striking style and freakishly long limbs as well as a ton of athleticism make him a handful even now for anyone in the sport. I'm really not sure where to put alot of these advantages here. Both these guys have shown alot of ability to be unorthodox, strong grapplers, and have more or less dominated every fight they have been in with the exception of Machida's fights with Shogun and Rampage, both of whom Jones beat decisively this year alone. If I had to choose it would be as follows: Striking I give the technique advantage to Machida simply because he leaves less openings in his strikes, however nobody has been able to capitalize on Jones' mistakes yet. Striking power I have to give to Jones because of his explosiveness and his willingness to turn it up when he feels he has his opponent hurt. Wrestling I have to give to Jones because we have seen him stuff a high level wrestler who is in his physical prime and comitted to the takedown, something we have not yet seen with Machida. However it must be noted Lyoto has stuffed 81% of the takedowns attempted on him in his career. Overall grappling I give to Machida due to his extensive standing and ground grappling training and submissions. All that said I think Jones wins this fight pressuring Machida, making Lyoto commit first and initiate so Jones can figure things out early on and go from there. Eventually though I think he goes for the takedown and works the ground and pound until either the ref pulls him off Lyoto, or until a submission presents itself for the win. Prediction: Jon Jones by (T)KO Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira A rematch that could answer all the questions lingering from the first time these two locked hornes back at UFC 92. Frank Mir and Antonio Rodrigo 'Minotauro' Nogueira square off for the second time when the first encounter saw Minotauro finished for the first time in his career. Three years later and people are still questioning whether Minotauro has anything left. But despite the year and a half layoff and surgeries he came back in Brazil to knock Brendan Schaub out in a fight I gave him almost no chance to win, as did many others. Frank Mir has posted two straight wins but has had less than stellar performances in those fights. His lackluster fight with Cro Cop barring the knee that finished the Croatian in the third round and his fight with Roy Nelson in which he couldn't finish a man with walking pneumonia have become causes for concern to some. I happen to think he had way too much respect for Cro Cop, and Nelson is about as hard to finish as they come in the heavyweight division. He absorbed more strikes from Dos Santos than all of JDS' previous UFC opponents combined. Like last time around the usual advantages still exist. Striking technique goes to Mir who uses a much wider array of strikes, while power is a bit of a wash with a slight edge going to Mir. On the ground it's essentially a toss up since both men are such high level jiu jitsu and submission specialists. This is going to come down to who lands the big shot first, and I just think Minotauro is limited by his repertoire. I don't think he finishes Minotauro again necessarily, but I think he takes this fight again. Prediction: Frank Mir by Decision Tito Ortiz vs. Antonio Rogerio NogueiraFor whatever reason it seems the UFC has seen fit to give Antonio Rogerio 'Minotoro' Nogueira a steady diet of wrestlers during his stint in the promotion. Of his four UFC opponents to date three have been wrestling based fighters, Tito now makes his fourth straight wrestler opponent. Although they have given him wrestler after wrestler it would seem Tito is going to recieve his sixth loss in his last nine fights. Minotoro showed great takedown defense against Phil Davis in the first round up until Davis changed his shot to a single leg. I just don't think Ortiz has the spring in his step anymore to get the job done, and even if he can there's something to be said for having a Nogueira on the ground. Grappling is split into two categories, one being wrestling and the other being brazilian jiu jitsu. Obviously Tito has the wrestling while Minotoro enjoys the jiu jitsu edge. It can also be noted that Tito Ortiz has been submitted only once in his entire mixed martial arts career. He is extremely crafty on the ground which may make it difficult for even a Nogueira to submit him. Striking in both power and technique is a clear advantage for the Brazilian. Unfortunately for Tito I just don't think he can get this fight where he needs to in order to get the win. Most likely he'll be on his bicycle for most of the fight until Nogueira knocks him down or until the final bell rings. Prediction: Antonio Rogerio Minotoro Nogueira by Decision Mark Hominick vs. Chan Sung JungPossibly the most action packed matchup of the night sees Mark Hominick against the Korean Zombie Chan Sung Jung. Hominick is fresh off his decision loss to Jose Aldo for the featherweight title while Jung avenged his loss to Leonard Garcia with a Twister that would have made Eddie Bravo proud. Both have shown quite a chin in their careers, and both like to stand up and knock guys out. That said, under normal circumstances this isn't an especially good matchup for Jung. Mark Hominick is quite simply a better striker than he is, but these aren't normal circumstances. With the recent passing of Shawn Thompkins we will either see a less than prepared Hominick, or an extremely fired up Hominick. Regardless I give a technical striking edge to Hominick, and the power striking may be a slight edge for Mark as well but it could just as easily be a wash. Grappling is where the advantage is for Jung, however we haven't seen enough of his take downs to accurately guage whether he can get it there. Ultimately I see Hominick winning this vis decision unless he comes out fired up, in which case he knocks the korean out. Prediction: Mark Hominick by Decision. | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| | | Ludo Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:55 am | |
| I almost went with this one. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:02 am | |
| Now that is definitely racist. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:23 am | |
| Yeah I figured the all hispanic one wouldn't go over as well as the somewhat asian dominated one. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:18 pm | |
| Bones by tough workman like decision Mir by TKO Ortiz by split decision |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:20 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- what a poster lol
why is Lyoto the star of the poster? Oh yeah, cause people hate the champ. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:23 pm | |
| - captain organic wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- what a poster lol
why is Lyoto the star of the poster?
Oh yeah, cause people hate the champ. Well the champ is shown to be an arrogant douchebag every time his face is shown. He doesn't even have to say anything, the douchness just shines from his pores these days. I have always hated Rashad for his cocky attitude and taunting gestures in the cage. IMO it's completely different then Diaz putting his hands out when you dance around and grab your nuts in the cage. Diaz is saying come on let's fight, those dudes are saying "you ain't shit" | |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:25 pm | |
| I've got Bones by TKO
Mir via KO
Little nog via decision
Hominick via Decision. | |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:30 pm | |
| Come on OU defending Diaz and bashing Jones in the same post?
Has Bones ever gotten into a post fight brawl in the cage? How bout a fight in the hospital? How bout missing press conferences on multiple occasions? Missing fights due to pot smoking?
And Bones did what? Raised his hand after a suplex?
I know Diaz is legit mental, where as Bones is just more of an arrogant guy, but criticizing the one while defending the other seems more then a little double standard-ish. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:35 pm | |
| - captain organic wrote:
- Come on OU defending Diaz and bashing Jones in the same post?
Has Bones ever gotten into a post fight brawl in the cage? How bout a fight in the hospital? How bout missing press conferences on multiple occasions? Missing fights due to pot smoking?
And Bones did what? Raised his hand after a suplex?
I know Diaz is legit mental, where as Bones is just more of an arrogant guy, but criticizing the one while defending the other seems more then a little double standard-ish. I can handle Diaz, dude is real. Jones is an arrogant bastard and it just radiates everytime he opens his mouth these days. What do you mean missing fights for smoking pot? Not sure I have heard those accusations before. He missed a scheduled fight because he was blazing up? The video's here are not the primary reason that Jones is a douchebag so don't get caught up on that. Now are these videos clues to what we should have expected? I think so, but I won't argue either way. Dude flew right past cocky and right to arrogant douchebag a long time ago. | |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:31 pm | |
| Diaz vs Heiron.
And If I hated on every fighter who says they are better then their opponent, I'd have no one to root for.
Give me a good fight, that's all I ask. | |
| | | Ludo Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:04 pm | |
| But Captain, Diaz brings it every time. I've never seen him in a boring fight. And he's winning lately so what's not to like? Your hatred is irrational.
Does it read as stupid when I type it as when you do? I hope so. | |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:13 pm | |
| I love Diaz. I've argued his case as well many times.
So yeah, it does seem stupid, | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:33 pm | |
| - Ludo wrote:
Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida
Quite possibly the single best year for any fighter in the history of the sport to date. Jon Jones has a chance to do something that rivals and in my opinion tops Shogun's legendary run in 2005 winning the PRIDE Grand Prix. If Jones can beat Machida he'll have won four fights this year, two of which over surefire hall of fame fighters in Rampage Jackson and Shogun Rua, as well as over a possible hall of fame fighter in Lyoto Machida. Not only that, but he'll be the first UFC Light Heavyweight champion to successfully defend his title two times since Chuck Liddell in 2006. However thats easier said than done. Lyoto Machida has proven extremely hard to gameplan against because of his unique mix of high level karate mixed with sumo and brazilian jiu jitsu black belts. He presents a challenge like no other to the current champion, who has shown unorthodox striking as well. Jon Jones has yet to truly be beaten in his mixed martial arts career. Had it not been for some 12 to 6 elbows on Matt Hammill he would be, and still is considered by virtually everyone in the community, undefeated. His high level wrestling combined with his unorthodox striking style and freakishly long limbs as well as a ton of athleticism make him a handful even now for anyone in the sport.
I'm really not sure where to put alot of these advantages here. Both these guys have shown alot of ability to be unorthodox, strong grapplers, and have more or less dominated every fight they have been in with the exception of Machida's fights with Shogun and Rampage, both of whom Jones beat decisively this year alone. If I had to choose it would be as follows: Striking I give the technique advantage to Machida simply because he leaves less openings in his strikes, however nobody has been able to capitalize on Jones' mistakes yet. Striking power I have to give to Jones because of his explosiveness and his willingness to turn it up when he feels he has his opponent hurt. Wrestling I have to give to Jones because we have seen him stuff a high level wrestler who is in his physical prime and comitted to the takedown, something we have not yet seen with Machida. However it must be noted Lyoto has stuffed 81% of the takedowns attempted on him in his career. Overall grappling I give to Machida due to his extensive standing and ground grappling training and submissions. All that said I think Jones wins this fight pressuring Machida, making Lyoto commit first and initiate so Jones can figure things out early on and go from there. Eventually though I think he goes for the takedown and works the ground and pound until either the ref pulls him off Lyoto, or until a submission presents itself for the win.
Prediction: Jon Jones by (T)KO
Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
A rematch that could answer all the questions lingering from the first time these two locked hornes back at UFC 92. Frank Mir and Antonio Rodrigo 'Minotauro' Nogueira square off for the second time when the first encounter saw Minotauro finished for the first time in his career. Three years later and people are still questioning whether Minotauro has anything left. But despite the year and a half layoff and surgeries he came back in Brazil to knock Brendan Schaub out in a fight I gave him almost no chance to win, as did many others. Frank Mir has posted two straight wins but has had less than stellar performances in those fights. His lackluster fight with Cro Cop barring the knee that finished the Croatian in the third round and his fight with Roy Nelson in which he couldn't finish a man with walking pneumonia have become causes for concern to some. I happen to think he had way too much respect for Cro Cop, and Nelson is about as hard to finish as they come in the heavyweight division. He absorbed more strikes from Dos Santos than all of JDS' previous UFC opponents combined. Like last time around the usual advantages still exist. Striking technique goes to Mir who uses a much wider array of strikes, while power is a bit of a wash with a slight edge going to Mir. On the ground it's essentially a toss up since both men are such high level jiu jitsu and submission specialists. This is going to come down to who lands the big shot first, and I just think Minotauro is limited by his repertoire. I don't think he finishes Minotauro again necessarily, but I think he takes this fight again.
Prediction: Frank Mir by Decision
Tito Ortiz vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
For whatever reason it seems the UFC has seen fit to give Antonio Rogerio 'Minotoro' Nogueira a steady diet of wrestlers during his stint in the promotion. Of his four UFC opponents to date three have been wrestling based fighters, Tito now makes his fourth straight wrestler opponent. Although they have given him wrestler after wrestler it would seem Tito is going to recieve his sixth loss in his last nine fights. Minotoro showed great takedown defense against Phil Davis in the first round up until Davis changed his shot to a single leg. I just don't think Ortiz has the spring in his step anymore to get the job done, and even if he can there's something to be said for having a Nogueira on the ground. Grappling is split into two categories, one being wrestling and the other being brazilian jiu jitsu. Obviously Tito has the wrestling while Minotoro enjoys the jiu jitsu edge. It can also be noted that Tito Ortiz has been submitted only once in his entire mixed martial arts career. He is extremely crafty on the ground which may make it difficult for even a Nogueira to submit him. Striking in both power and technique is a clear advantage for the Brazilian. Unfortunately for Tito I just don't think he can get this fight where he needs to in order to get the win. Most likely he'll be on his bicycle for most of the fight until Nogueira knocks him down or until the final bell rings.
Prediction: Antonio Rogerio Minotoro Nogueira by Decision
Mark Hominick vs. Chan Sung Jung
Possibly the most action packed matchup of the night sees Mark Hominick against the Korean Zombie Chan Sung Jung. Hominick is fresh off his decision loss to Jose Aldo for the featherweight title while Jung avenged his loss to Leonard Garcia with a Twister that would have made Eddie Bravo proud. Both have shown quite a chin in their careers, and both like to stand up and knock guys out. That said, under normal circumstances this isn't an especially good matchup for Jung. Mark Hominick is quite simply a better striker than he is, but these aren't normal circumstances. With the recent passing of Shawn Thompkins we will either see a less than prepared Hominick, or an extremely fired up Hominick. Regardless I give a technical striking edge to Hominick, and the power striking may be a slight edge for Mark as well but it could just as easily be a wash. Grappling is where the advantage is for Jung, however we haven't seen enough of his take downs to accurately guage whether he can get it there. Ultimately I see Hominick winning this vis decision unless he comes out fired up, in which case he knocks the korean out.
Prediction: Mark Hominick by Decision. hey Ludo, I'm not saying that you're a slut, but if your vagina had a password it would be 1234... i love u | |
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| Lentz and Machida have value at those lines. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:05 pm | |
| K-sos will likely make him stand where the advantage is for Poland. | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:06 pm | |
| - Ludo wrote:
- Lentz and Machida have value at those lines.
fuck yea, throw down a $100 easy on ze dragon | |
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| Subject: Re: UFC140 Predictions Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:12 pm | |
| Jabouin is my favorite on the card. I think he totally outclasses this kid
Machida maybe worth a play, same with Patrick. I think the KZ is probably too large a dog as well. Hominick is a good fighter but I think people have gone a little overboard with him based on the last round of the Aldo fight. If KZ comes in with a gameplan like the 2nd Garcia fight it could be interesting. He's got some slick ground game | |
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