Im rewatching the fight

1st rd. Rogan makes note of 2 counter's, both by Rua, in which in both exchanges Machida landed, one a kick up top, while Rua landed a kick to the shin, another a leg kick while Machida landed a punch over the top. I find it pretty crazy that in a fight with one of the great counter strikers in the sport, that Rogan only noted Rua's.

Machida landed the best strike of the rd a kick that landed clean to shogun's body. he also had an early flurry of knees in the clinch early.

shogun's best work were knee's to lyoto's leg's while up against the fence. These def bothered Machida but not enough to take the rd imo

I give the 1st to Lyoto.

2nd round.

I'll give the 2nd to shogun, very tight round, but the knee's at the end in the clinch while lyoto is against the fence again do damage and imo swing the round

the talk from rogan and gold during the rd is regarding the 1st is "did we see Lyoto lose his 1st round in the UFC" as the horn blows it is "is Machida down 2-0?"

I have it 1-1, I'm pretty solid on that, but I could as easily see it 2-0 for Machida as I would 2-0 shogun.


3rd round

an early body kick landed by shogun as Lyoto lands an over the top, the commentary goes "another body kick by shogun, man he is lighting him up."

Im sorry but is no one seeing these punches over the top?

another exchange Machida lands a flush punch to the chin, and a good body kick, rua counters with a body kick, but Machida ends the flurry with another body kick Rogan's call "another counter by Rua."


Rogan and gold are clearly seeing one half of the fight.

mid round Gold says about rua "well he's winning the fight" What?

1:48 of the round Machida lands a left flush, rua lands a body kick flush, this has been the story of the fight, simultaneous strikes. shogun wobbles a bit (much like in chorky's gif) Rogan's call steps on gold's call so im not sure what gold would have called there but rogan say's "a beautiful body kick. man that one was hard" gold follows up with "big kicks big punches" which makes me think he saw Machida's strike, but does not call it as such.

an extended flurry near the end by machida pushes shogun across the cage and pins him up against the fence, which is ended by a clean counter by rua. Rogan's call (excitedly) "shogun lands a right hand, machida landed a bunch of strikes but so did shogun." No shogun landed one shot. not a bunch, one.

these guys are totally misleading the viewers, I don't think it's intentional, but they are giving a poor representation of the fight.

the flurry near the end wins the round for Machida.

I have it 2-1 at this point, and im pretty confident with that choice, but if someone gave the 2nd round to Lyoto because he is the champ I would not argue strongly against it. I'd have a much harder time agreeing to Rua beeing up 2-1 at this point.

round 4

quiet for the 1st minute, early in the 2nd minute another typical high low exchange, another Rogan "a nice leg kick by Rua" I was perplexed watching it live, im more aggravated at this point.

2:15 mark, yet another. Rogan is 100% in the shogun camp.

sorry that im bitchin so much about the commentating, but I find it totally inaccurate and have to believe that they influenced the viewing audience.

but gold makes a comment "one could say that shogun won the 1st 2 rounds which means he only needs one more."

that would be a fair comment if shogun clearly one the 1st 2, but one could also say that Machida won the 1st 2. Maybe even the 1st 3.

about one minute remainin Rogan "another nice knee to the body" im rewatchin 3 times, I don't think it even lands. of coarse Machida landed a punch over the top.

Gold says to Rogan "well you know whose name your saying? Shogun" as if Rogan's bias proves shogun is winning.

4th to shogun. Machida lands the best shots, a nice solid up kick that is blocked but still scores, and a solid punch over the top, it's a close round but the consistentleg kicks by shogun tilt the scales. both guys look pretty tired, but shogun is prob the more fresher fighter


5th round.
Lyoto lands 4 solid knees to the body, def the best of the round and there is zero note of it. meanwhile an elbow in the clinch by rua looks to miss and both gold and rogan are all giddy.

shogun does his best work in this round with his hand gestures, he's very active with his feints, he's holding his hand in the air after eating a lyoto counter.

watching live I gave this rd to shogun rewatching I gave it Lyoto.



Here's my biggest problem with the outrage, this is a fight where the challenger's best work was done below the short's. he landed nearly nothing up top. and he never buckled Machida with those kicks the way forrest did to page. Im not saying you can't win a fight in this manner, but I can't see where the outrage comes from. how did shogun clearly win this fight?

Why does everybody always worry about what Rogen's saying? I was in a crowded sports bar and couldn't hear a thing they were saying and I still saw it 4-1 Shogun and still did after watching it at home. The only thing the sound did for me was make me realize how much harder Shogun's kicks were landing than the weak hits over the top from Machida. I'm sorry but I can't score it the same as you did, and I'll make a specific breakdown of what I saw round by round later.

You gave the 5th to Lyoto and you lost all credibility. No fucking way does he win the last round. Shogun makes Lyoto look like shit and those kicks are taking their toll. He looks beat and lost.

And how does the elbow not land? It hits him right in the fucking side of his head?

We know the announcing is a little biased but don't go overboard. Shogun won 3 rounds, either the 1st or 2nd and 4/5.

Good original points about the bias that night. I kept wondering what Joe was seeing. The fight was super close, but Shogun did nothing but kick his legs a few more times. I still have it 3-2 but haven't rewatched yet.

MikeyLikesIt wrote:

You gave the 5th to Lyoto and you lost all credibility. No fucking way does he win the last round. Shogun makes Lyoto look like shit and those kicks are taking their toll. He looks beat and lost.

And how does the elbow not land? It hits him right in the fucking side of his head?

We know the announcing is a little biased but don't go overboard. Shogun won 3 rounds, either the 1st or 2nd and 4/5.

rewatch the 5th, what does rua do in that round exactly? how does he clearly win the round? How do I lose credibility by picking Machida when rua lands very little of note? sure he looks fresher, but it does not materialize in any offense. His feints were alop crisper, his gestures looked strong, but where was the offense? Machida def looked tired, but still got Rua in the clinch on more then one occasion and landed obvious knees. there may have been more then one elbow by rua in the 5th but the one against the cage looks to have missed, I saw no movement from machida that suggests that it landed. Rogan certainly thought it landed, but it slow mo im not seeing it.

The whole people are swayed by Rogan into thinking Shogun actually won is a seriously weak argument. It like saying everyone is a noob and only listens to Rogan to establish their opinions. Get real, that's a weak assumption to spit on everyone, I mean almost everyone.

I thought the fight was really close. apart from the 4th and 5th Rua didn't dominate.

I think it was pretty clear that Rua won 4 and 5. Machida was slow and uninspired, clearly an effect of the brutal leg kicks. Here is my only problem with the decision. Rua won at the very least rounds 4 and 5. Machida clearly won round 3, but not clearly any other round. Round 1 and 2 were close, but you gotta go with the cleaner shots. The problem with not listening to the broadcast is you don't hear how much cleaner shogun's leg kicks were than Machida's short lefts. Not to mention that many of those lefts were clearly blocked or near misses, while the kicks visibly do damage to both Machida's legs and his body. If Machida was landing clean shots to the face (cus he was definitely throwing clean shots), Shogun's face woulda had some visible damage. Instead, Machida's face was the bloody one from the better cleaner upper body shots that Shogun landed coming out of clinches and in that flury in which Machida didn't land much at all.

He clearly won because he handed more stikes up high and down low than Machida as well as controling the tempo of the fight from the get go. Thats why he clearly won.

watch the fourth round again, machida had some good hits earlier in that round, the fact that rua looked more aggressive at the end of that round probably gave a lot of people the impression that he dominated that round.

Watch it as many times as u want I still believe Shogun won and Machida got the win. So if I watch it 100 more times my mind wont change.

The Staples center doesn't hear Rogan and they all booed the decision....

thome_nerko wrote:

The Staples center doesn't hear Rogan and they all booed the decision....

they booed because machida didnt finish nor dominate the fight like a champion supposed to do. doesnt silva get booed too for a lackluster fight?

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

thome_nerko wrote:

The Staples center doesn't hear Rogan and they all booed the decision....

they booed because machida didnt finish nor dominate the fight like a champion supposed to do. doesnt silva get booed too for a lackluster fight?

That's one way to look at it. Throughout the final rounds of the fight the entire place was chanting shogun's name. Rua was shocked, Machida was shocked, Staples Center was shocked, and they booed.

The chanted Machida at first. Later they chanted Shogun when he was clearly winning. They booed when the bad decision was made, not when the fight was over.

Agreed it was when the fight was givin to machida and he didnt earn that victory.